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RE: Here's the New York Times on UCF Cheating on basketball and football recruiting.
(04-30-2011 11:30 AM)Sir Galahad Wrote:  And what I write on the CUSA board had noting to do with what is here. Just like Cardinal Jim on the Rivals board or USFFan on the big east only board.

ya know, i try and i try and i try to educate the apparently uneducateable ucf posters here. alas to no avail (note the feeble attempt at medieval knight speech).

this remains a BE board, ucf fans, so burn that onto your foreheads and/ or retinas. or scribble it on the back of your typing fingers so you'll see it as you begin your post. for many of you, tho not all, you're posting as guests, perhaps on a quest, and as a matter of sufferance.

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(04-30-2011 10:43 AM)Sir Galahad Wrote:  Finally, if you think Rick Pitino is not involved with the very same people you're crazy. I will go a step further and say that Pitino is probably the one that got Pat Forde involved with this because while it is okay for the established basketball schools to play by these rules, it is not okay for an up and coming school.

Thanks for enlightening us to the fact that ESPN and the NYT are just puppets of Rick Pitino.
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Exclamation RE: Here's the New York Times on UCF Cheating on basketball and football recruiting.
Would this Kenneth Caldwell be bad news if his background was squeaky clean? Would Kenneth Caldwell still be bad news if he was Caucasian with a background, capable of recruiting the best African American athletes? ABSOLUTELY NOT! He'd be considered a "savior." I've read every single article on this man and I have yet to read that he is being "paid." This sounds like his "hobby." He has a passion for the game and a mentor like relationship with kids. And if UCF is a college that Ken is most fond of "oh well." Kentucky had 5 NBA drafts last year and no one questioned this shadiness. Is Florida not supposed to have any possible drafts?

Kentucky, it sounds to me like you need to find yourselves a Kenneth Caldwell, because right now UCF and Ken are both "winning!"
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RE: Here's the New York Times on UCF Cheating on basketball and football recruiting.
We're a little out of whack right now, I think you all can understand that, so on behalf of the UCF posters, try to give us a little break. There are a lot of claims, without much or any evidence, and we're confused on what's occuring. We'll see, as of right now I'm leaning towards us just walking the tightrope that every DI programs walks. Unless money exchanged hands or the 3 way call really occurred, I don't think that we've done anything wrong yet.

I do think that our recruiting battles with UoL were a catalyst for this article being written, obviously, but that in and of itself doesn't mean it's not a legitimate inquiry. We'll see, and I expect UCF to be making a statement here shortly.
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actually, I will confess. I own controling interest in both the New York Times and ESPN! 02-13-banana
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RE: Here's the New York Times on UCF Cheating on basketball and football recruiting.
Hey, it's not that much crazier than the ECU'ers claiming Disney is pushing ESPN and other media outlets to push for our school located almost an hour away.

What felony did he commit? Does anyone know?
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(04-30-2011 12:18 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Hey, it's not that much crazier than the ECU'ers claiming Disney is pushing ESPN and other media outlets to push for our school located almost an hour away.

What felony did he commit? Does anyone know?

Breaking and entry or something like that. Its been a couple of different crimes that he ended up saying that he took the fall for his brother.
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(04-30-2011 12:16 PM)simplystated Wrote:  Kentucky, it sounds to me like you need to find yourselves a Kenneth Caldwell, because right now UCF and Ken are both "winning!"

I will give credit for creativity. Now the witchhunt is against African-Americans?

As for "winning", do you mean 6-10 in CUSA?
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(04-30-2011 12:29 PM)animus Wrote:  
(04-30-2011 12:18 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Hey, it's not that much crazier than the ECU'ers claiming Disney is pushing ESPN and other media outlets to push for our school located almost an hour away.

What felony did he commit? Does anyone know?

Breaking and entry or something like that. Its been a couple of different crimes that he ended up saying that he took the fall for his brother.

Gotcha. Wonder how long ago they were? Not that it rectifies the situation but if these were 15-20 years ago, then they're not really relevant to him currently.
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Its in the Pat Forde ESPN article. I think the latest one was in 2001.
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If he's stupid enough to take the blame - and go to jail - for something his brother did, then he deserves to be looked upon with apprehension. A criminal record follows you through your entire life...
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(04-30-2011 12:16 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  actually, I will confess. I own controling interest in both the New York Times and ESPN! 02-13-banana

Well that explains why you have so much time to post... You're independently wealthy 04-cheers
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(04-30-2011 12:18 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Hey, it's not that much crazier than the ECU'ers claiming Disney is pushing ESPN and other media outlets to push for our school located almost an hour away.

What felony did he commit? Does anyone know?

From the NY Times Article:

Quote:But there is more to Caldwell’s résumé. According to court records, Caldwell has served time in prison for multiple felony convictions. Records show he received a six-year sentence for a 1991 home invasion and armed robbery. In 1998, he was arrested in downtown Chicago for driving a stolen Mercedes-Benz and sentenced to another six years for unlawful possession of a stolen vehicle. He was paroled in that case in 2001.

Caldwell, in an interview, admitted to serving 18 months in prison, but said most of the arrests on his record were for crimes his brother committed.

“They arrested me so many times for this dude,” he said. “Every time they let me out.”

Well, at least we can take comfort that it wasn't his fault. 03-melodramatic

His criminal record isn't really why I even called him "bad news"...it is that he openly admitted to NCAA violations, then has tried to retract or change what he has said. Even if he isn't all that credible, that is going to catch the NCAA's attention. His statements are poisonous to any college program to which he claims affiliation.
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But he's the man because he drove a black and a white Bentley recently
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(04-30-2011 12:16 PM)simplystated Wrote:  Would this Kenneth Caldwell be bad news if his background was squeaky clean? Would Kenneth Caldwell still be bad news if he was Caucasian with a background, capable of recruiting the best African American athletes? ABSOLUTELY NOT! He'd be considered a "savior." I've read every single article on this man and I have yet to read that he is being "paid." This sounds like his "hobby." He has a passion for the game and a mentor like relationship with kids. And if UCF is a college that Ken is most fond of "oh well." Kentucky had 5 NBA drafts last year and no one questioned this shadiness. Is Florida not supposed to have any possible drafts?

Kentucky, it sounds to me like you need to find yourselves a Kenneth Caldwell, because right now UCF and Ken are both "winning!"


You obviously just started reading message boards, journalist articles, and watchign sports television this week.....

At least 2 maybe more of those 5 guys were seriously questioned....go look up Eric Bledsoe and Alabama Education system for starters.
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(04-30-2011 09:21 AM)SomeKnight Wrote:  
(04-30-2011 09:00 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  We shall see if anything develops from this, but one thing is for sure, this is the kind of attention that is not wanted by any school.

I guess some of the Card fans missed the part about Caldwell's involvement with UL signee Nunez or UF signee Pearson or an OSU signee. This is just this recruiting year. Those two hack jobs Forde and Thamel did not mention that in their hit piece.

Finally, Caldwell's son attends UCF and went to the same high school as the Jordans and Rompza. I wonder if might be a reason his is pimping UCF.

If you remember, when Jordan first went to UCF the college had a contract with Adidas but Jordan's father is partner with the Nike Brand and Marcus refused to play in adidas. Now I guess UCF is sporting the Nike brand- if not Jordans-- for the whole team I'd guess.

To think that Caldwell manipulated Marcus Jordan when Marcus' father is a king in the rest or the world but a God in Chicago is just plain crazy. If all this talent ended up at UCF, I seriously doubt that Marcus got manipulated. There's nothing Caldwell could offer Marcus. Marcus could buy and sell Caldwell 100 times over.

From my read Caldwell is a small time player, UCF is a small time player and Caldwell is trying to get in good with the super star's son who just happenes to play for UCF. (I'm sure he wishes he was at UNC- then caldwell would be Da MAN.) Anybody "running" to bring star talent to UCF is an idiot. WHere's the payoff. When these guys go to the NBA. Yea right, I think UCF put one kid in the NBA over the past 20 years. If Caldwell is getting a check for his efforts, that check is no way coming from UCF. Nobody can be that stupid and no player mentioned is worth the risk.

Even Marcus Jordan can't play.


UCf finished 9th in CUSA. They lost to ECu twice. If I was paying Caldwell for talent, I'd have to beat his AZZ.
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To me this is like steroids in baseball. Everyone is dirty and once in a while a big player is going to get caught. Last week it was USF, this week UCF, a few months back Ohio State and Uconn, before that it was Tenn., etc, etc, etc. Bottomline is the schools with the best talent will make the most money and thus you are creating an incentive to cheat...period. In this situation everyone is going to try and cheat.
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(04-30-2011 04:42 PM)frogman Wrote:  
(04-30-2011 09:21 AM)SomeKnight Wrote:  
(04-30-2011 09:00 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  We shall see if anything develops from this, but one thing is for sure, this is the kind of attention that is not wanted by any school.

I guess some of the Card fans missed the part about Caldwell's involvement with UL signee Nunez or UF signee Pearson or an OSU signee. This is just this recruiting year. Those two hack jobs Forde and Thamel did not mention that in their hit piece.

Finally, Caldwell's son attends UCF and went to the same high school as the Jordans and Rompza. I wonder if might be a reason his is pimping UCF.
... UCf finished 9th in CUSA. They lost to ECu twice. If I was paying Caldwell for talent, I'd have to beat his AZZ.

UCF actually lost to ECU 3 times last year. And yes I agree that Caldwell and for that matter Jones both need their azzez beaten very badly if UCF were using Caldwell players, but I actually think that the players UCF used last year were from UCF's previous coach.
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(04-30-2011 11:11 AM)CatsClaw Wrote:  
(04-30-2011 10:56 AM)Sir Galahad Wrote:  
(04-30-2011 10:50 AM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  Sir Robin, before further denigrating Wilkie's "ability to perceive" I suggest you review Bit's post #29 in this thread. It took "all of six posts" before you're back to your same MO.

As for me going back to my "MO." I guess it is okay for the USF mod and others to use derogatory comments about Knight Light and myself, but hey just like this situation here, apply rules where you would like.

Considering some of the vicious things that have been allowed to have been said about Cincinnati, South Florida and Louisville and the Big East fans and programs in general on the C-USA board you don't really have any grounds for complaining about things being said on this board. It's called the home court advantage.

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(04-30-2011 05:54 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(04-30-2011 11:11 AM)CatsClaw Wrote:  
(04-30-2011 10:56 AM)Sir Galahad Wrote:  
(04-30-2011 10:50 AM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  Sir Robin, before further denigrating Wilkie's "ability to perceive" I suggest you review Bit's post #29 in this thread. It took "all of six posts" before you're back to your same MO.

As for me going back to my "MO." I guess it is okay for the USF mod and others to use derogatory comments about Knight Light and myself, but hey just like this situation here, apply rules where you would like.

Considering some of the vicious things that have been allowed to have been said about Cincinnati, South Florida and Louisville and the Big East fans and programs in general on the C-USA board you don't really have any grounds for complaining about things being said on this board. It's called the home court advantage.

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