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BE Football Schools Should Make A Pact To Stay Together
Since we are hearing reports of the BE going into negotiations with ESPN early, at the request of ESPN, it appears that the league will recieve some serious change in the next round of negotiations, whether it comes from ESPN or some other network.

I was thinking that if the league gets a deal that pays $14 million plus per school that the league should stay with the bb schools, but also make a pact that each fb school would stay together as a league no matter what other league is looking to expand. With such a pact, there should be an exit fee of say $20 or $25 million dollars. That fee may sound astronomical, but with tv rights deals becoming astronomical, it doesnt seem so ridiculous.

If the BE signs a deal that pays each fb school $14 million each, then the average payout from the BE would be about $20 million when all other revenue is considered, like bowl payouts and NCAA tourney payouts.

The fact that Nebraska and Colorado didnt even bat an eye to leave the Big 12 even though they collectively left $22 million with the Big 12 as exit fees, has me believing that the exit fees should be huge if a BE school beaks its pact and leaves for some other league.

What does everyone else think? Is it possible that something like this may already be in the works with the new tv deal? The BE did have an exit fee before, but at only $5 million could not keep a a school from bolting.
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Absolutely not. If a better offer comes along schools shouldn't have to be hamstrung by an astronomical exit fee.
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(04-26-2011 07:40 AM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  Absolutely not. If a better offer comes along schools shouldn't have to be hamstrung by an astronomical exit fee.

Was told that the Big 12, in conjunction with the FOX cable deal, put in new large increases in the penalties if someone decides to leave the conference. Don't know all details or amounts, but it was designed to protect FOX and all other members should one leave.
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(04-26-2011 07:37 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  Since we are hearing reports of the BE going into negotiations with ESPN early, at the request of ESPN, it appears that the league will recieve some serious change in the next round of negotiations, whether it comes from ESPN or some other network.

I was thinking that if the league gets a deal that pays $14 million plus per school that the league should stay with the bb schools, but also make a pact that each fb school would stay together as a league no matter what other league is looking to expand. With such a pact, there should be an exit fee of say $20 or $25 million dollars. That fee may sound astronomical, but with tv rights deals becoming astronomical, it doesnt seem so ridiculous.

If the BE signs a deal that pays each fb school $14 million each, then the average payout from the BE would be about $20 million when all other revenue is considered, like bowl payouts and NCAA tourney payouts.

The fact that Nebraska and Colorado didnt even bat an eye to leave the Big 12 even though they collectively left $22 million with the Big 12 as exit fees, has me believing that the exit fees should be huge if a BE school beaks its pact and leaves for some other league.

What does everyone else think? Is it possible that something like this may already be in the works with the new tv deal? The BE did have an exit fee before, but at only $5 million could not keep a a school from bolting.

First, I'll be pleasantly surprised if the Big East is making $14m from TV for the football teams. I'll leave it at that before I become SF Husky and others' "naysayers".

Monetary figures don't matter. Nebraska and Colorado didn't pay the full amount to leave the conference, they negotiated their fees down. When Fresno St. and Nevada broke the $5 million "stay in the WAC for BYU" fee, they were sued and will only end up paying $1 million each.

OTOH, the MWC has no exit fees. Their feeling is that if you don't want to be there, you are free to leave.
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I don't think its necessary.
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Ultimately each school has to do what is best for it. If WVU should (highly unlikely, but you never know...) have an opportunity to join the SEC, it would be a no-brainer. Same with Pitt and/or Syracuse and Rutgers with the Big 10. A high payout is not going to prevent any of these schools from leaving.
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I think its a good idea. Any money the conference will get will be based on a certian membership. If that membership changes, could that contract be renegotiated for less?
Since college sports is becoming more and more big business it should be treated that way. If a school is part of a conference they need to commit (legally and officially). If you break that contract there should be penalities and fees since a school leaving effects the rest of the conference members.
Time to get tough, if any school doesnt want to commit to the BE (or any league really) and won't sign, then tell them to get the F out. Have them live life as an independent or plead their case to their "dream" league and hope they get an offer..
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(04-26-2011 07:55 AM)mattsarz Wrote:  
(04-26-2011 07:40 AM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  Absolutely not. If a better offer comes along schools shouldn't have to be hamstrung by an astronomical exit fee.

Was told that the Big 12, in conjunction with the FOX cable deal, put in new large increases in the penalties if someone decides to leave the conference. Don't know all details or amounts, but it was designed to protect FOX and all other members should one leave.

Completely agree 04-bow This affects much more than the schools.

If ESPN still had the supermajority of game coverage that's one thing, but now we're talking about multiple players in the game (Fox, TNT, Comcast, etc...). If there's the possibility of one team leaving for another network's conference, said network is completely justified in protecting itself.

Savage, like Crazed says... if WVU gets THAT great of a deal, money ought to be no object.
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Some schools are tied in with alliances, others not so.

If WV gets an offer, its relationship with Pitt plays a role. But if Louisville gets an offer, it isn't waiting around to see what UC will do about it.

Same on the other side of the ledger. PC-SH-St. John's are one group, DeP-Marq. a second, and Gtown-Nova a third--each has its own needs which don't always mesh with the other two (Georgetown has as much in common with PC as Rutgers with TCU). But ND isn't waiting on any of these anymore than Syracuse would call USF to ask whether that ACC offer is worth listening to.

My guess is that this group mostly stays together, but one or two (FB or BB-centric) may change along the way. How many had BC going to the ACC in 2000? Or how many had TCU going east in 2012?
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(04-26-2011 08:32 AM)gosports1 Wrote:  I think its a good idea. Any money the conference will get will be based on a certian membership. If that membership changes, could that contract be renegotiated for less?

Absolutely. The WAC is expecting a 75% cut in rights fee (from $4m down to $1m) just with Boise St. leaving in July. That doesn't account for Fresno St., Nevada and Hawai'i leaving in 2012.

When Miami, VT and BC left, Big East TV rights, at least in football, were cut in half for a couple seasons.
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(04-26-2011 08:46 AM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  Some schools are tied in with alliances, others not so.

If WVU gets an offer, its relationship with Pitt plays a role. But if Louisville gets an offer, it isn't waiting around to see what UC will do about it.

Good pt...as I do think WVU, if invited to join say the Big Ten, SEC or ACC, would ask Pitt:

"How would you like your share of our exit fee paid? Cash, Money Order or Electronic Check?"

Considering their "relationship" with each other...thats the least WVU could do for them (and/or vice versa if the shoe was on the other foot).
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RE: BE Football Schools Should Make A Pact To Stay Together
(04-26-2011 07:58 AM)mattsarz Wrote:  
(04-26-2011 07:37 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  Since we are hearing reports of the BE going into negotiations with ESPN early, at the request of ESPN, it appears that the league will recieve some serious change in the next round of negotiations, whether it comes from ESPN or some other network.

I was thinking that if the league gets a deal that pays $14 million plus per school that the league should stay with the bb schools, but also make a pact that each fb school would stay together as a league no matter what other league is looking to expand. With such a pact, there should be an exit fee of say $20 or $25 million dollars. That fee may sound astronomical, but with tv rights deals becoming astronomical, it doesnt seem so ridiculous.

If the BE signs a deal that pays each fb school $14 million each, then the average payout from the BE would be about $20 million when all other revenue is considered, like bowl payouts and NCAA tourney payouts.

The fact that Nebraska and Colorado didnt even bat an eye to leave the Big 12 even though they collectively left $22 million with the Big 12 as exit fees, has me believing that the exit fees should be huge if a BE school beaks its pact and leaves for some other league.

What does everyone else think? Is it possible that something like this may already be in the works with the new tv deal? The BE did have an exit fee before, but at only $5 million could not keep a a school from bolting.

First, I'll be pleasantly surprised if the Big East is making $14m from TV for the football teams. I'll leave it at that before I become SF Husky and others' "naysayers".

Monetary figures don't matter. Nebraska and Colorado didn't pay the full amount to leave the conference, they negotiated their fees down. When Fresno St. and Nevada broke the $5 million "stay in the WAC for BYU" fee, they were sued and will only end up paying $1 million each.

OTOH, the MWC has no exit fees. Their feeling is that if you don't want to be there, you are free to leave.

I agree. I think we are overstepping our true ratings right now by about 4-5 mil a team....especially in the exclusive window.
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(04-26-2011 07:58 AM)mattsarz Wrote:  Monetary figures don't matter. Nebraska and Colorado didn't pay the full amount to leave the conference, they negotiated their fees down. When Fresno St. and Nevada broke the $5 million "stay in the WAC for BYU" fee, they were sued and will only end up paying $1 million each.

OTOH, the MWC has no exit fees. Their feeling is that if you don't want to be there, you are free to leave.

I agree that the monetary penalties aren't ultimately going to matter if a school wants to leave. Nebraska and Colorado ended up paying less than half of the exit penalties that were stated in their agreements with the Big 12.

There's also the practical matter of getting schools to agree to those penalties in the first place. In the Big 12, there was a sense of urgency to get those new penalties into place because that league was on the brink of being dead and buried 10 months ago and Fox needed reassurances from the conference before entering into a long-term deal. I'm also of the position that UT absolutely, positively wants the Big 12 to continue living since it has a need for control on top of money that it could never get in the Pac-12, Big Ten or SEC along with preserving its new ESPN-run TV network. As a result, UT gladly committed to those new exit penalties, and as long as UT is on board and not looking elsewhere, it's difficult for schools like Missouri and Kansas that might hate UT personally but know that they can't make more money anywhere else (as they know that they can't wrangle invites from the Big Ten) to try to argue against those penalties. Better to be locked in with a UT that you hate than left by the wayside without UT.

For the BE, are you going to convince Rutgers, Syracuse and Pitt to sign up for massive exit penalties when they know that they're likely first in line for invites to the Big Ten or ACC in the event (however unlikely it might be) that ND decides to join a conference? Those schools are likely going to want to preserve flexibility after witnessing two major conference realignments in the past decade.
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I disagree, how would you like to pay an exit fee to your current employer, when you left for a better job? Pay an exit fee to your old country club to join a new one?
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This issue with this goes along with whats stated above. You can get probably 1/2 of the schools to agree to this, maybe 2/3, but you won't be able to get all of them. Why? What are you going to do, threaten to kick those schools out if they don't sign it? Those who will refuse will be the ones with a slight potential to be snatched up the next go around, and they know the Big East needs them just as much as vice versa. It's an empty threat and they know it.
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(04-26-2011 08:46 AM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  Some schools are tied in with alliances, others not so.

If WV gets an offer, its relationship with Pitt plays a role. But if Louisville gets an offer, it isn't waiting around to see what UC will do about it.

Same on the other side of the ledger. PC-SH-St. John's are one group, DeP-Marq. a second, and Gtown-Nova a third--each has its own needs which don't always mesh with the other two (Georgetown has as much in common with PC as Rutgers with TCU). But ND isn't waiting on any of these anymore than Syracuse would call USF to ask whether that ACC offer is worth listening to.

My guess is that this group mostly stays together, but one or two (FB or BB-centric) may change along the way. How many had BC going to the ACC in 2000? Or how many had TCU going east in 2012?

I do agree there's certain alliances. However UC and UL is probably a much stronger one than you think. I think Rutgers and Syracuse has become a stronger one of late, however the strongest one in the conference at least as far as the football schools go is Rutgers and WVU. We've been aligned for nearly 40 years together, making all moves together such as starting the Eastern 8/A-10, joining Big East football and joining the Big East in all-sports. Unfortunately any move(s) out of the Big East will not likely be done together. OTOH I have the good fortune to feel that such a thing isn't imminent anyway and that the Big East will be here for years to come.
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(04-26-2011 08:46 AM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  Some schools are tied in with alliances, others not so.

If WV gets an offer, its relationship with Pitt plays a role.
IF WVU was offered membership in the SEC, we'd jump in a heartbeat - and without one thought about Pitt (or Rutgers, brista)...
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(04-26-2011 10:15 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  
(04-26-2011 08:46 AM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  Some schools are tied in with alliances, others not so.

If WV gets an offer, its relationship with Pitt plays a role.
IF WVU was offered membership in the SEC, we'd jump in a heartbeat - and without one thought about Pitt (or Rutgers, brista)...

and so would everyoneelse. It doesnt matter what the pay out is, schools would move to SEC or Big Ten if invited
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That's why any such agreement isn't worth the paper it's written upon...
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(04-26-2011 10:06 AM)brista21 Wrote:  I do agree there's certain alliances. However UC and UL is probably a much stronger one than you think.

UL and UC have history, but I doubt you could call it a close alliance.

There was the time where UC and Memphis joined the "Great Midwest" (all sports but FB) conference. Not only did UL decline, they pretty much refused to play us and Memphis. They eventually started playing Memphis again, but only after a few years.

Then there was the story about Jurich recommending USF for the proposed all-sports conference to be spun-off from the BE FB schools, but not us.

So, if UL saw a better opportunity, it'd be gone, and frankly same with us. I'd actually wonder about UL if another conference called, and they would refuse if UC wasn't invited too. It'd be crazy!
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