ND's revenue for 2009 to 2010 for football was $64M. Every so often, someone will post "It's time to play hardball and force ND into BE Football", here is the answer: No way.
http://blogs.forbes.com/sportsmoney/2011...nancially/

LOL. Yeah. Just Imagine what the number would be of they were relevant to College Football after the first week

(04-19-2011 11:50 AM)Lumber Wrote:  ND's revenue for 2009 to 2010 for football was $64M. Every so often, someone will post "It's time to play hardball and force ND into BE Football", here is the answer: No way.
http://blogs.forbes.com/sportsmoney/2011...nancially/

No game of hardball will get them in. The Big East however is an enabler to Notre Dame. Their financial situation would change dramatically if forced to join the Big 10 because nonfootball sports lost their home. Meanwhile, we are well behind other BCS conferences in terms of revenue while Notre Dame continues to thrive.

They were saying last summer that they would consider joining a conference if the landscape of college athletics dramatically shifted. To me this means that 1) Change in BCS which requires conference membership for automatic qualification 2) Shift to Mega Conferences 3) Split in Big East. I dont know what they would choose if the Big East Split. I think they would obviously choose between BE Football/BE Basketball/Join Big 10. I could see the Big East football throwing everything at them to convince them to stay like they did to Miami - uneven revenue split/Notre Dame channel/Visiting games at Pro Stadiums/etc. Unless one of these 3 changes happens they will stay put until forced to.

(04-19-2011 07:49 PM)frankielou1 Wrote:  They were saying last summer that they would consider joining a conference if the landscape of college athletics dramatically shifted. To me this means that 1) Change in BCS which requires conference membership for automatic qualification 2) Shift to Mega Conferences 3) Split in Big East. I dont know what they would choose if the Big East Split. I think they would obviously choose between BE Football/BE Basketball/Join Big 10. I could see the Big East football throwing everything at them to convince them to stay like they did to Miami - uneven revenue split/Notre Dame channel/Visiting games at Pro Stadiums/etc. Unless one of these 3 changes happens they will stay put until forced to.

Joining the Big 12 in either an all sports or non-fb capacity are both rumored to be offered to ND if the BE was ever not viable for their independence. So its not as cut & dry as BE or B10. Also the ACC would offer all sports as well.

Why would a change in the BCS system which required conference membership change their situation? I don't think ND is in risk of being shut out of a BCS game because of that, they'd need to have a successful program to do that.

(04-19-2011 08:03 PM)Sammy11 Wrote:  Joining the Big 12 in either an all sports or non-fb capacity are both rumored to be offered to ND if the BE was ever not viable for their independence. So its not as cut & dry as BE or B10. Also the ACC would offer all sports as well.

I think any conference would take ND at this point, they like Texas are a game changer.

I've been saying for years that the only plausible conference for ND to join is the ACC. Their alumni hate the Big 10 with a passion born from decades of the Big 10 actively trying to destroy ND's sports programs, and the Big 10's midwestern location prevents ND from playing a national schedule. The Big 12 and Big East are too weak academically for ND to consider them as peers, and the Pac-10 is too far away.

On the other hand, the ACC has several small, elite private schools similar in stature to ND, and even the public schools tend to be smaller and more elite than most public schools (only 3 schools in the conference with over 30,000 students, and all but FSU are top 90 academically in US News). The ACC has teams in several important regions of the country for ND alums (Florida, New England, mid-Atlantic). And the ACC has several traditional rivals of ND already in the conference (BC, Miami, Ga Tech, and UNC are among their top 13 opponents played since 1950).

If they join any conference at all, it's going to be the ACC. But I don't think they'll have to join a conference.

(04-20-2011 09:15 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  On the other hand, the ACC has several small, elite private schools similar in stature to ND, and even the public schools tend to be smaller and more elite than most public schools (only 3 schools in the conference with over 30,000 students, and all but FSU are top 90 academically in US News).

Several? Duke is the only "small, elite private school" that fits this claim.

ND is not going to join any conference for football. It is not going to give up football independence. It had the perfect opportunity to join the Big Ten last summer and rejected that idea.

The ultimate home or fate of basketball, baseball the other sports programs will not be the determining factor regarding the issue of football independence. The tail will not wag the dog.

ND will, if required, figure out where to house those other sports before it will sacrifice football independence.

Notre Dame will not be joining the Big Ten, ACC or the Big East for football within any foreseeable future.

(04-20-2011 01:32 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  

(04-20-2011 09:15 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  On the other hand, the ACC has several small, elite private schools similar in stature to ND, and even the public schools tend to be smaller and more elite than most public schools (only 3 schools in the conference with over 30,000 students, and all but FSU are top 90 academically in US News).

Several? Duke is the only "small, elite private school" that fits this claim.

Wake Forest? Boston College? Miami?

And if you're only looking at academics UVA/UNC/GT are all very good schools.

Notre Dame in the ACC would be very odd. There is virtually zero history with any teams minus BC and Miami. Im sure ACC would love to have them but just cant picture this over Big East/Big 10/Big 12

ND isnt going anywhere anytime soon. But I'm sure when the time comes the BE will likely make a sweetheart offer that will be tough to turn down if a conference affiliation is a must. It would totally suck for everyone else in hte conference, but having ND would raise the legitimacy of the league tremendously.

How much is NDs exclusive NBC deal?

It is somewhere higher than $15 million per year.

It comes up for renewal (and bid/increase?) after the 2015 season.

Give Notre Dame what they want as long as they play football in the Big East. I just think its a shame we let the rich get richer. If they joined the football members of the BE could perhaps get a little rich. The thing I find bothersome is the fact Notre Dame could lose 2 or 3 games and still play in a BCS game and yet the REAL BE MEMBERS have to go and find another SAVIOR across the country to save our BCS asses. Deep down Notre Dame is the answer , our protection forever for BCS status. They sure would not deny a 4 loss ND team who maybe wins the BE conference, but if your UCONN football....forget about it.

You can't give Notre Dame "what they want" to join the Big East for football.

They don't want anything to join, they are not looking to "sweeten the pot".

They are not negotiating or seeking concessions. They are not looking for a better deal.

They want to remain independent in football, period. That is the goal, the Holy Grail, not more money.

The idea of football independence, the ability to remain so, that alone is what they are seeking.

The Big East voted them into the conference knowing ahead of time that football would not be included, ever.

That fact was made very clear from the beginning. Full disclosure. The Big East presidents voted them in knowing that fact.

(04-21-2011 07:23 AM)TerryD Wrote:  You can't give Notre Dame "what they want" to join the Big East for football.

They don't want anything to join, they are not looking to "sweeten the pot".

They are not negotiating or seeking concessions. They are not looking for a better deal.

They want to remain independent in football, period. That is the goal, the Holy Grail, not more money.

The idea of football independence, the ability to remain so, that alone is what they are seeking.

The Big East voted them into the conference knowing ahead of time that football would not be included, ever.

That fact was made very clear from the beginning. Full disclosure. The Big East presidents voted them in knowing that fact.

Not dispuiting that....I was alluding to the hyupothetical scenario where they were forced to join a conference....i.e the birth of the superconference....wont happen now....wont happen next year....but what happens down the line when it eventually does happen??

What will ND do then?? Swarbuck statements last summer ssaid it all....the time will eventually come where the decison has to be made.

And when it does happen....all that will be left will proabaly be the ACC.

(04-21-2011 07:23 AM)TerryD Wrote:  You can't give Notre Dame "what they want" to join the Big East for football.

They don't want anything to join, they are not looking to "sweeten the pot".

They are not negotiating or seeking concessions. They are not looking for a better deal.

They want to remain independent in football, period. That is the goal, the Holy Grail, not more money.

The idea of football independence, the ability to remain so, that alone is what they are seeking.

The Big East voted them into the conference knowing ahead of time that football would not be included, ever.

That fact was made very clear from the beginning. Full disclosure. The Big East presidents voted them in knowing that fact.

Not dispuiting that....I was alluding to the hyupothetical scenario where they were forced to join a conference....i.e the birth of the superconference....wont happen now....wont happen next year....but what happens down the line when it eventually does happen??

What will ND do then?? Swarbuck statements last summer ssaid it all....the time will eventually come where the decison has to be made.

And when it does happen....all that will be left will proabaly be the ACC.

I personally think that the best chance of four 16 team super conferences died last summer. The big plans of Jim Delany were derailed.

ND and Texas stayed out of those plans. Without either one of them becoming involved in one, I don't see any super conferences forming.

If they do, you really think that ND will only have one option? I don't.