I don't think it is widely known or understood, but the popular emergence of rap (as it was then called) in FM-radio's pop/rock "mainstream" in the late 80s, had the effect of making a lot of people musically irrelevant in the world of rock/pop. People who had always been part of that rock/pop world in the 70s/80s, but didn't "fit in" after rap's arrival. I'm referring not so much to singers (although I am sure there were some) but to writers, producers, session-musicians, etc. A lot of these people, basically, stopped working in the pop field, and instead switched over to country. Of course, these people didn't "fit in" with the traditional concept of country music, either, but they sort of created the "New Country" sound epitomized by Garth Brooks, Clint Black, etc. That style of music became dominant in country-music radio almost overnight from 1989-90. In 1988, country radio was still playing "traditional" country music, yet by the end of 1991, a mere 3 years later, that music had almost totally disappeared from commercial radio, with a few traces absorbed into the New Country sound.
(04-14-2011 06:50 PM)Native Georgian Wrote: Interesting.
I don't think it is widely known or understood, but the popular emergence of rap (as it was then called) in FM-radio's pop/rock "mainstream" in the late 80s, had the effect of making a lot of people musically irrelevant in the world of rock/pop. People who had always been part of that rock/pop world in the 70s/80s, but didn't "fit in" after rap's arrival. I'm referring not so much to singers (although I am sure there were some) but to writers, producers, session-musicians, etc. A lot of these people, basically, stopped working in the pop field, and instead switched over to country. Of course, these people didn't "fit in" with the traditional concept of country music, either, but they sort of created the "New Country" sound epitomized by Garth Brooks, Clint Black, etc. That style of music became dominant in country-music radio almost overnight from 1989-90. In 1988, country radio was still playing "traditional" country music, yet by the end of 1991, a mere 3 years later, that music had almost totally disappeared from commercial radio, with a few traces absorbed into the New Country sound.
Yea no doubt, late 80's Rock is very different than early 90's Rock as well. Late 80's you had "Hairbands" and overnight you had the Seattle era of Rock. The emergence of "Gangsta" rap in particular changed the entire music landscape.
I heard plenty of Hip Hop influence in modern Country esp when I listened to Toby Keith's "Talk about Me", Trace Adkins "Chrome" and "Honky Tonk Badonkadonk.
i'd say other music influenced hip hop way more than hip hop influenced other genres of music. I mean sure, you can find some traces of hip hop in a few other genres, but hip hop has been influenced way more. Euro-pop has transformed modern hip hop, just as rock influenced some forms of early hip hop. Now you have the indie rock influence on artists like B.o.B and Kid Cudi. SUre, Weezy was on a Weezer song, a couple albums ago and Kanye was on a 30 seconds to mars song, but i honestly think those 2 guys were more influenced by the 2 bands, than the other way around.
Musically I think you're giving hip hop way too much credit. However, if you were to assert that hip hop has influenced popular culture, then we'd be in agreement.
Virtually all musical genres are intertwined somehow. Hip-hop was clearly influenced by reggae, which was influenced heavily by country music. Back when reggae was just being born in Jamaica, most of the radio stations they could pick up were the AM stations along the Gulf Coast, and they primarily played country.
(04-15-2011 07:36 AM)flyingswoosh Wrote: i'd say other music influenced hip hop way more than hip hop influenced other genres of music. I mean sure, you can find some traces of hip hop in a few other genres, but hip hop has been influenced way more. Euro-pop has transformed modern hip hop, just as rock influenced some forms of early hip hop. Now you have the indie rock influence on artists like B.o.B and Kid Cudi. SUre, Weezy was on a Weezer song, a couple albums ago and Kanye was on a 30 seconds to mars song, but i honestly think those 2 guys were more influenced by the 2 bands, than the other way around.
Musically I think you're giving hip hop way too much credit. However, if you were to assert that hip hop has influenced popular culture, then we'd be in agreement.
You're right that other genres had an effect on Rap music. But for me the culture of Hip Hop is whats more astounding to me to tell you the truth. To see a country band with a DJ and whatnot is different to say the least.
(04-15-2011 07:36 AM)flyingswoosh Wrote: i'd say other music influenced hip hop way more than hip hop influenced other genres of music. I mean sure, you can find some traces of hip hop in a few other genres, but hip hop has been influenced way more. Euro-pop has transformed modern hip hop, just as rock influenced some forms of early hip hop. Now you have the indie rock influence on artists like B.o.B and Kid Cudi. SUre, Weezy was on a Weezer song, a couple albums ago and Kanye was on a 30 seconds to mars song, but i honestly think those 2 guys were more influenced by the 2 bands, than the other way around.
Musically I think you're giving hip hop way too much credit. However, if you were to assert that hip hop has influenced popular culture, then we'd be in agreement.
You're right that other genres had an effect on Rap music. But for me the culture of Hip Hop is whats more astounding to me to tell you the truth. To see a country band with a DJ and whatnot is different to say the least.
(04-15-2011 08:51 PM)GRPunk Wrote: Run DMC certainly helped Aerosmith make a comeback.
and aerosmith's music helped make run-dmc hugely popular
I must say that Walk This Way was one of the most important songs in Hip Hop History. To get Aerosmith to agree to that song was a big time risk that benefited both parties. Without that song, I'm not sure if Rap/Hip Hop got as big as it did.
(04-15-2011 08:51 PM)GRPunk Wrote: Run DMC certainly helped Aerosmith make a comeback.
and aerosmith's music helped make run-dmc hugely popular
I must say that Walk This Way was one of the most important songs in Hip Hop History. To get Aerosmith to agree to that song was a big time risk that benefited both parties. Without that song, I'm not sure if Rap/Hip Hop got as big as it did.
Hmmm
I agree that both took a big risk but...
Rap had already been sampling Led Zepplin, AC/DC, and what not. IF not Run DMC and Aerosmith it could have been another pairing. Where they lucked out was both rockers and rappers could dig it. The video for it also showed both cultures could make music together--in that they had a LIVE Areosmith and a LIVE RUN DMC. The only other time both groups were live together would have been Public Enemy and Anthrax for "Bring the Noise."
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I have to say though, that while I like Gangster Rap, its proliferation throughout the genre of rap over the last 20 years has stunted raps growth. You just don't have the variety you had in the 80s through the 90s. And the music machine is pushing the pimp, player, gangster anthems even more so now.
The problem with rock music now is its own cycles. 80s had hair metal, 90's grunge/alternative, 00s numetal/emo, and now in the 10s its trying to cycle itself back to older styles. And each decade has the originators or unique groups that will still be around but after that first wave most of the later on groups sound like everyone else and end up falling off due to not standing out.
(04-15-2011 09:20 PM)animus Wrote: You're right that other genres had an effect on Rap music. But for me the culture of Hip Hop is whats more astounding to me to tell you the truth. To see a country band with a DJ and whatnot is different to say the least.
different for the sake of being different. "hey, has this been done before?" "i don't think so! let's try it out!" retarded to say the least what kind of weird genre are they gonna come up with now, raptry? actually sounds kinda cool, if you didn't know what it entailed