I'd really like to see the requirements for an expansion vote. Because with all the speculation about new members, we know that there are 8 members of the Big East Football Conference, and that they are partnered with 8 other members of the Big East Conference. This won't change until July 1, 2012. What are the voting requirements for expansion in the Big East Conference? If it requires a majority vote, meaning at least one member of the Big East Conference who is NOT a member of the Big East Football Conference would have to vote for inclusion, I'm not certain that there is ANY candidate that would meet that requirement. People can speculate until the cows come home (yes, USF insult acknowledged), but I don't see how the non-BEFC members would vote to dig themselves deeper into a hole on July 1, 2012.

USFFan

Here is some info on BE bylaws

http://www.bigeast.org/portals/5/fls/194...tion10.pdf

(04-11-2011 01:22 PM)Pir8Mike Wrote:  Here is some info on BE bylaws

http://www.bigeast.org/portals/5/fls/194...tion10.pdf

So Notre Dame does get a football vote? Interesting.

Quote:On Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS) matters, the Conference’s position will be determined by a vote of the
eight BIG EAST institutions that are members of The BIG EAST Football Conference and Notre Dame (nine
total votes).

The Big East Football Conference as a separate entity was dissolved in 2005.

(04-11-2011 01:54 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  The Big East Football Conference as a separate entity was dissolved in 2005.

Meaning?

Thanks, Pir8Mike. By my reading, this appears to relate to how the Big East votes on NCAA legislation, which is why Notre Dame votes with the Big East conference. It's not clear that they get a vote on Big East football expansion. In fact, I can't find anything on the Big East's site about expansion voting.

To DFW HOYA's point, the following link is interesting:

http://www.bigeast.org/portals/5/fls/194...ction4.pdf

Specifically, I point to the following:

Quote:1. Member Institutions must adhere to program standards as applicable by sport and are responsible for reporting
each program’s status annually.

2. Membership Requirements
a) Sponsorship and compliance with BIG EAST standards for the Football Bowl Subdivision members
b) Sponsorship and compliance with BIG EAST program standards for Men’s Basketball, Women’s
Basketball, Men’s Soccer and Women’s Soccer
c) Competition in all other Conference sports sponsored by the member unless the member exercises its
option to federate/terminate participation
d) Compliance with NCAA Football Bowl Subdivision Conference sponsorship requirements and NCAA
Division I Membership sports sponsorship requirements

3. Federation requests -- which are defined as establishing participation in a league sport, terminating participation
in a league sport or introducing affiliate membership in a league sport -- must be reviewed by the Athletic
Directors on a case-by-case basis (see attached policies & procedures). Federation is NOT permitted if the
program’s automatic bid would be eliminated as a result of that team opting out nor may an institution
terminate sponsorship of a program if the Conference’s automatic bid would be jeopardized as a result.

(emphasis mine, not in the actual policies)

This would at least suggest that any affiliated membership in a league sport like football would be subject to review by "the Athletic Directors." It doesn't say "that participate in that sport," nor does it say what the voting requirements would be. All of that information would likely be found only in the by-laws of the conference. I really think that without actually seeing those by-laws, any attempts to guess what's going to happen are shots in the dark.

USFFan

(04-11-2011 01:52 PM)MagicKnightmare Wrote:  

(04-11-2011 01:22 PM)Pir8Mike Wrote:  Here is some info on BE bylaws

http://www.bigeast.org/portals/5/fls/194...tion10.pdf

So Notre Dame does get a football vote? Interesting.

Quote:On Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS) matters, the Conference’s position will be determined by a vote of the
eight BIG EAST institutions that are members of The BIG EAST Football Conference and Notre Dame (nine
total votes).

This is just a manual not the actual bylaws.

The fact that they specifically identify them as two entities is significant. The BIG EAST Football Conference might meet on expansion and matters that are directly related to their schedule and football conference. However if there is some other broader FBS matter then ND will get a vote.

Without seeing the actual bylaws its pointless. I was hoping to find out what the actual vote percentages would need to be to get new membership passed.

(04-11-2011 01:54 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  The Big East Football Conference as a separate entity was dissolved in 2005.

Hmm I am not sure who to believe...
Some poster or the 2010-2011 Big East Policy Manual that uses the terminology "BIG EAST Football Conference"

You're welcome USF.
Hey A-Knight, as far as who to believe, I'd believe anything that the cute bronze Knight in your avatar told me, I never thought I'd "pull" for UCF, lol.
Good luck to us all as we strung along by the nads, hoping to get into the BE BCS party. Our seat at the table awaits, who will fill it?

I'd almost like nothing more than for Houston/UCF/ECU all to say "F*ck off, we're going our own thing over here" to the BE but I know that'd never happen.

Nobody has unearthed an actual copy of the by-laws, but this article:

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/weiss/2...um=twitter

claims that any new member is going to require "a 75% vote from current members." I don't know if that's accurate - after all, he claims TCU's not joining for over a century and that South Florida isn't even in the league, but if he's right, I think the writing's on the wall. Go through the mental exercise with whichever candidate you wish and find 12 yes votes from among the current members. If you're being completely honest, the only ones that you can say would get 12 yes votes aren't realistic targets for the Big East. And after July 1, 2012, it's going to take 13 out of 17 votes to get in.

If Weiss is correct about the voting requirements, I honestly believe we're at 9/17 unless an actual split happens.

USFFan

A split is coming. The only question that remains if it will be a friendly or hostile. The only reason why the BE can not compete effectively with other AQ conferences is because of our dysfuctional basketball situation.

If we didn't have this monstrosity, then I believe that we might have had a decent chance of adding KU, KSU, and Missouri when Nebraska and Colorado bolted the B-12, as it stands, that ship has passed. I mean for crying out loud the only reason why we were even considering Villanova as an expansion candidate was an effort to placate the basketball monstrosity. We were/are laughing stocks of other AQ conferences.

(04-13-2011 05:18 AM)Cardsshark Wrote:  A split is coming. The only question that remains if it will be a friendly or hostile. The only reason why the BE can not compete effectively with other AQ conferences is because of our dysfuctional basketball situation.

If we didn't have this monstrosity, then I believe that we might have had a decent chance of adding KU, KSU, and Missouri when Nebraska and Colorado bolted the B-12, as it stands, that ship has passed. I mean for crying out loud the only reason why we were even considering Villanova as an expansion candidate was an effort to placate the basketball monstrosity. We were/are laughing stocks of other AQ conferences.

I think the odds of KU, KSU, MU were always going to be option B for them. Why else would they have worked so hard to preserve the league? Its not due to hoops schools.

(04-13-2011 08:08 AM)Sammy11 Wrote:  

(04-13-2011 05:18 AM)Cardsshark Wrote:  A split is coming. The only question that remains if it will be a friendly or hostile. The only reason why the BE can not compete effectively with other AQ conferences is because of our dysfuctional basketball situation.

If we didn't have this monstrosity, then I believe that we might have had a decent chance of adding KU, KSU, and Missouri when Nebraska and Colorado bolted the B-12, as it stands, that ship has passed. I mean for crying out loud the only reason why we were even considering Villanova as an expansion candidate was an effort to placate the basketball monstrosity. We were/are laughing stocks of other AQ conferences.

I think the odds of KU, KSU, MU were always going to be option B for them. Why else would they have worked so hard to preserve the league? Its not due to hoops schools.

Likely true, but I believe that if we had really pursued them we could have pulled this off. We couldn't be aggressive because we have too many BB only cats to herd. I think they worked hard to preserve what they had because we didn't give them any reason to hope that a BE invitation was available.