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After looking at this tournament, I can make two statements definitely:

1. The Big East should not have had 11 teams, at most, 8. Three weeks ago, I would have said 11.
2. Conference USA is a one bid league until someone other than Memphis wins the conference tournament and makes it past the "first" round of the NCAAs.

Our conference really underachieved, and didn't show much strength. The only two teams from the conference that showed any promise of doing anything of note in the post-season were SMU and UCF in the CIT and CBI, respectively.

UConn winning the tournament does not exactly validate the Big East as having a good tournament, but you certainly cannot say they are not the best conference in basketball this season: if UConn wins, they are, but if Butler wins, Horizon is the best conference this year <- I know that's pretty difficult to say without argument, but whichever conference put forth the national champion is deserving of such distinction.
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(04-03-2011 05:55 PM)TampaKnight Wrote:  After looking at this tournament, I can make two statements definitely:

1. The Big East should not have had 11 teams, at most, 8. Three weeks ago, I would have said 11.
2. Conference USA is a one bid league until someone other than Memphis wins the conference tournament and makes it past the "first" round of the NCAAs.

Our conference really underachieved, and didn't show much strength. The only two teams from the conference that showed any promise of doing anything of note in the post-season were SMU and UCF in the CIT and CBI, respectively.

UConn winning the tournament does not exactly validate the Big East as having a good tournament, but you certainly cannot say they are not the best conference in basketball this season: if UConn wins, they are, but if Butler wins, Horizon is the best conference this year <- I know that's pretty difficult to say without argument, but whichever conference put forth the national champion is deserving of such distinction.

uh...no

Butler winning the NC, as impressive as that is does not mean the friggen Horizon is the best conference...it's not even top 5 regardless of Butler. Are you serious man?!?!?

As for the Big East...we may or may not have deserved 11 bids...that is debateable but one thing is certain: our conference rpi, sagarin, OOC schedule record etc etc etc all clearly show we were THE best conference in the nation yet again ths year.

CUSA sucks, I agree with you there.
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(04-03-2011 05:55 PM)TampaKnight Wrote:  After looking at this tournament, I can make two statements definitely:

1. The Big East should not have had 11 teams, at most, 8. Three weeks ago, I would have said 11.
2. Conference USA is a one bid league until someone other than Memphis wins the conference tournament and makes it past the "first" round of the NCAAs.

Our conference really underachieved, and didn't show much strength. The only two teams from the conference that showed any promise of doing anything of note in the post-season were SMU and UCF in the CIT and CBI, respectively.

UConn winning the tournament does not exactly validate the Big East as having a good tournament, but you certainly cannot say they are not the best conference in basketball this season: if UConn wins, they are, but if Butler wins, Horizon is the best conference this year <- I know that's pretty difficult to say without argument, but whichever conference put forth the national champion is deserving of such distinction.

Really, who is the 8 teams going by the resumes going into the tournament. I could see 10-(Nova losing it last 6) but 8 is too low. Remember it is body of work and the BIG EAST had the best OOC record of any conference.

UConn won the BIG EAST Tournament
Syracuse finished 4th in the league
Louisville finished 3rd in the league and beat National Finalist Butler by 10.
Saint John's crushed Duke in the regular season and had a very high RPI
Georgetown while limping into the NCAA still had a Top 15 RPI
Marquette, while bubble team ended up going to the Sweet 16
Pittsburgh won the league and was a 1 seed
Notre Dame finished 2nd and was a 2 seed
Cincinnati won 24 games and won every single OOC game.
West Virginia also had a Top 20 RPI and had strong OOC wins including beating Purdue

OK, so outside of Nova which I will grant what other 2 schools should have been left out.
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(04-03-2011 06:31 PM)Maize Wrote:  
(04-03-2011 05:55 PM)TampaKnight Wrote:  After looking at this tournament, I can make two statements definitely:

1. The Big East should not have had 11 teams, at most, 8. Three weeks ago, I would have said 11.
2. Conference USA is a one bid league until someone other than Memphis wins the conference tournament and makes it past the "first" round of the NCAAs.

Our conference really underachieved, and didn't show much strength. The only two teams from the conference that showed any promise of doing anything of note in the post-season were SMU and UCF in the CIT and CBI, respectively.

UConn winning the tournament does not exactly validate the Big East as having a good tournament, but you certainly cannot say they are not the best conference in basketball this season: if UConn wins, they are, but if Butler wins, Horizon is the best conference this year <- I know that's pretty difficult to say without argument, but whichever conference put forth the national champion is deserving of such distinction.

Really, who is the 8 teams going by the resumes going into the tournament. I could see 10-(Nova losing it last 6) but 8 is too low. Remember it is body of work and the BIG EAST had the best OOC record of any conference.

UConn won the BIG EAST Tournament
Syracuse finished 4th in the league
Louisville finished 3rd in the league and beat National Finalist Butler by 10.
Saint John's crushed Duke in the regular season and had a very high RPI
Georgetown while limping into the NCAA still had a Top 15 RPI
Marquette, while bubble team ended up going to the Sweet 16
Pittsburgh won the league and was a 1 seed
Notre Dame finished 2nd and was a 2 seed
Cincinnati won 24 games and won every single OOC game.
West Virginia also had a Top 20 RPI and had strong OOC wins including beating Purdue

OK, so outside of Nova which I will grant what other 2 schools should have been left out.

And further, what teams should have been in over those teams. All 11 BE teams deserved to be in the tournament. Tournament bids are earned based on the regular season, not the postseason.
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(04-03-2011 01:20 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  FU Barkley The league's 9th friggin placed team has made the National Final. Eat that!

It would be very boring world if every commentator/analyst always had the exact same opinion/thoughts/analysis as your own.
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(04-03-2011 12:39 PM)WacoBearcat Wrote:  UCONN making it the championship game provides further validation that the Big Beast is the best basketball conference in the country hand down.

Since Butler reached the Championship Game for TWO YEARS in a row...it would seem that would make the Horizon League the "best basketball conference in the country hand down."
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(04-03-2011 06:31 PM)Maize Wrote:  
(04-03-2011 05:55 PM)TampaKnight Wrote:  After looking at this tournament, I can make two statements definitely:

1. The Big East should not have had 11 teams, at most, 8. Three weeks ago, I would have said 11.
2. Conference USA is a one bid league until someone other than Memphis wins the conference tournament and makes it past the "first" round of the NCAAs.

Our conference really underachieved, and didn't show much strength. The only two teams from the conference that showed any promise of doing anything of note in the post-season were SMU and UCF in the CIT and CBI, respectively.

UConn winning the tournament does not exactly validate the Big East as having a good tournament, but you certainly cannot say they are not the best conference in basketball this season: if UConn wins, they are, but if Butler wins, Horizon is the best conference this year <- I know that's pretty difficult to say without argument, but whichever conference put forth the national champion is deserving of such distinction.

Really, who is the 8 teams going by the resumes going into the tournament. I could see 10-(Nova losing it last 6) but 8 is too low. Remember it is body of work and the BIG EAST had the best OOC record of any conference.

UConn won the BIG EAST Tournament
Syracuse finished 4th in the league
Louisville finished 3rd in the league and beat National Finalist Butler by 10.
Saint John's crushed Duke in the regular season and had a very high RPI
Georgetown while limping into the NCAA still had a Top 15 RPI
Marquette, while bubble team ended up going to the Sweet 16
Pittsburgh won the league and was a 1 seed
Notre Dame finished 2nd and was a 2 seed
Cincinnati won 24 games and won every single OOC game.
West Virginia also had a Top 20 RPI and had strong OOC wins including beating Purdue

OK, so outside of Nova which I will grant what other 2 schools should have been left out.

And there were 2 Big East matchups in the 3rd round in the tourney also, so 2 teams were going to get knocked out early. The teams that were the least impressive from the Big East were also ranked and tourney LOCKS.
A couple of years ago we had 5 teams in the Elite 8, with 9 bids does that mean 3 more Big East teams should have been invited. News to the CUSA people, you get invited on your overall play not by conference affiliation.
Tampa Knight can't find 2-3 teams, that were left out, that should have bumped Big East teams from the Tourney.
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(04-04-2011 07:09 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(04-03-2011 06:31 PM)Maize Wrote:  
(04-03-2011 05:55 PM)TampaKnight Wrote:  After looking at this tournament, I can make two statements definitely:

1. The Big East should not have had 11 teams, at most, 8. Three weeks ago, I would have said 11.
2. Conference USA is a one bid league until someone other than Memphis wins the conference tournament and makes it past the "first" round of the NCAAs.

Our conference really underachieved, and didn't show much strength. The only two teams from the conference that showed any promise of doing anything of note in the post-season were SMU and UCF in the CIT and CBI, respectively.

UConn winning the tournament does not exactly validate the Big East as having a good tournament, but you certainly cannot say they are not the best conference in basketball this season: if UConn wins, they are, but if Butler wins, Horizon is the best conference this year <- I know that's pretty difficult to say without argument, but whichever conference put forth the national champion is deserving of such distinction.

Really, who is the 8 teams going by the resumes going into the tournament. I could see 10-(Nova losing it last 6) but 8 is too low. Remember it is body of work and the BIG EAST had the best OOC record of any conference.

UConn won the BIG EAST Tournament
Syracuse finished 4th in the league
Louisville finished 3rd in the league and beat National Finalist Butler by 10.
Saint John's crushed Duke in the regular season and had a very high RPI
Georgetown while limping into the NCAA still had a Top 15 RPI
Marquette, while bubble team ended up going to the Sweet 16
Pittsburgh won the league and was a 1 seed
Notre Dame finished 2nd and was a 2 seed
Cincinnati won 24 games and won every single OOC game.
West Virginia also had a Top 20 RPI and had strong OOC wins including beating Purdue

OK, so outside of Nova which I will grant what other 2 schools should have been left out.

Tampa Knight can't find 2-3 teams, that were left out, that should have bumped Big East teams from the Tourney.

Alabama, Colorado, and Virginia Tech.
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(04-04-2011 06:57 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  
(04-03-2011 12:39 PM)WacoBearcat Wrote:  UCONN making it the championship game provides further validation that the Big Beast is the best basketball conference in the country hand down.

Since Butler reached the Championship Game for TWO YEARS in a row...it would seem that would make the Horizon League the "best basketball conference in the country hand down."

The answer is yes, if the Horizon League had the best ooc record, by far of any conference, and if the Horizon League had the best RPI rating of all the conferences, and if the Horizon League had multiple teams that went undefeated ooc.
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Colorado over Nova I could see.
Alabama play and beat NOBODY OOC and they got smoked by Providence OOC.
Virginia Tech...again Seth play some1, any1 OOC then maybe you will not be a yearly bubble team.

Again, outside of Nova and going by regular season body of work who should they have bumped from the BIG EAST. Is it Pitt, Louisville, Notre Dame, Syracuse, Saint John's, Marquette, Cincinnati, Georgetown, or West Vitginia. UConn got the automatic bid.
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(04-04-2011 07:44 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(04-04-2011 06:57 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  
(04-03-2011 12:39 PM)WacoBearcat Wrote:  UCONN making it the championship game provides further validation that the Big Beast is the best basketball conference in the country hand down.

Since Butler reached the Championship Game for TWO YEARS in a row...it would seem that would make the Horizon League the "best basketball conference in the country hand down."

The answer is yes, if the Horizon League had the best ooc record, by far of any conference, and if the Horizon League had the best RPI rating of all the conferences, and if the Horizon League had multiple teams that went undefeated ooc.

Regular season only matters to get in the tournament. Winning in the tournament is the only thing that matters. I know the upper-leagues love to hang their hats on their regular season accomplishments (I know I did for UCF, and we backed it up by going to the semis in the CBI), but in the end, only one Big East team remains, and one Horizon team remains. Who wins? Whose conference is represented as the best?

(04-04-2011 07:46 AM)Maize Wrote:  Colorado over Nova I could see.
Alabama play and beat NOBODY OOC and they got smoked by Providence OOC.
Virginia Tech...again Seth play some1, any1 OOC then maybe you will not be a yearly bubble team.

Again, outside of Nova and going by regular season body of work who should they have bumped from the BIG EAST. Is it Pitt, Louisville, Notre Dame, Syracuse, Saint John's, Marquette, Cincinnati, Georgetown, or West Vitginia. UConn got the automatic bid.

I mainly said those three to troll Joe Lunardi. 03-lol

Colorado got shafted, that much is true. Harvard, perhaps deserved a shot. I can't really think of another team that sticks out in my mind.
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Lol...and I agree with you...believe it or not Harvard did get shafted and they actually had a better resume then VCU, USC & UAB.
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The answer is yes, if the Horizon League had the best ooc record, by far of any conference, and if the Horizon League had the best RPI rating of all the conferences, and if the Horizon League had multiple teams that went undefeated ooc.
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Quote:Regular season only matters to get in the tournament. Winning in the tournament is the only thing that matters. I know the upper-leagues love to hang their hats on their regular season accomplishments (I know I did for UCF, and we backed it up by going to the semis in the CBI), but in the end, only one Big East team remains, and one Horizon team remains. Who wins? Whose conference is represented as the best?





Wow, I cant believe that you were really serious. True, winning the tourney is the only thing that matters but its totally delerious to think that if Butler beats Uconn tonight that the Horizon League is the best conference. 01-wingedeagle

It would mean that the best team in the nation came from the Horizon League. You got it really twisted.

BTW; Getting to the semi's of the CBI backs up absolutely nothing. 03-lmfao
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(04-04-2011 07:59 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  Wow, I cant believe that you were really serious. True, winning the tourney is the only thing that matters but its totally delerious to think that if Butler beats Uconn tonight that the Horizon League is the best conference. 01-wingedeagle

It would mean that the best team in the nation came from the Horizon League. You got it really twisted.

Yes, that's making the mistake of concluding that because conference A's best team is better than conference B's, that this makes A a better conference than B, when it just means that ... A's best is better than B's best.

Granted, there is some logic to it: Surely, conference strength is better assessed by looking at strong teams rather than weak, but his view takes it to an extreme.

So when determining the overall strength of conferences A and B, we have to compare them from positions 1-10 (if both have 10 teams), but with a weighting scheme that gives more credit if your 1 is better than my 1, compared to if your 10 is better than my 10.

On this basis, the Big East was obviously far strong than the Horizon, since even if their 1 is better than our 1, our 2/3/4/5/6/7 etc. were clearly better than theirs ...
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sticking with the title of the thread....

I don't think Barkley really believed half of what he was saying during this tourney.....I'm guessing they brought him in, told him to be the "devil's advocate" and to generally be the counter voice of reason on most issues.
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(04-04-2011 07:29 AM)TampaKnight Wrote:  
(04-04-2011 07:09 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(04-03-2011 06:31 PM)Maize Wrote:  
(04-03-2011 05:55 PM)TampaKnight Wrote:  After looking at this tournament, I can make two statements definitely:

1. The Big East should not have had 11 teams, at most, 8. Three weeks ago, I would have said 11.
2. Conference USA is a one bid league until someone other than Memphis wins the conference tournament and makes it past the "first" round of the NCAAs.

Our conference really underachieved, and didn't show much strength. The only two teams from the conference that showed any promise of doing anything of note in the post-season were SMU and UCF in the CIT and CBI, respectively.

UConn winning the tournament does not exactly validate the Big East as having a good tournament, but you certainly cannot say they are not the best conference in basketball this season: if UConn wins, they are, but if Butler wins, Horizon is the best conference this year <- I know that's pretty difficult to say without argument, but whichever conference put forth the national champion is deserving of such distinction.

Really, who is the 8 teams going by the resumes going into the tournament. I could see 10-(Nova losing it last 6) but 8 is too low. Remember it is body of work and the BIG EAST had the best OOC record of any conference.

UConn won the BIG EAST Tournament
Syracuse finished 4th in the league
Louisville finished 3rd in the league and beat National Finalist Butler by 10.
Saint John's crushed Duke in the regular season and had a very high RPI
Georgetown while limping into the NCAA still had a Top 15 RPI
Marquette, while bubble team ended up going to the Sweet 16
Pittsburgh won the league and was a 1 seed
Notre Dame finished 2nd and was a 2 seed
Cincinnati won 24 games and won every single OOC game.
West Virginia also had a Top 20 RPI and had strong OOC wins including beating Purdue

OK, so outside of Nova which I will grant what other 2 schools should have been left out.

Tampa Knight can't find 2-3 teams, that were left out, that should have bumped Big East teams from the Tourney.

Alabama, Colorado, and Virginia Tech.

So you think those 3 schools deserved bids of what 3 big east teams?
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Sagarin http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/b...titialskip

OME ADVANTAGE= 3.76 RATING W L SCHEDL(RANK) VS top 25 | VS top 50 | ELO_CHESS | PREDICTOR
1 Ohio State = 95.24 34 3 79.38( 26) 5 3 | 16 3 | 94.30 1 | 96.09 1
2 Kansas = 93.45 35 3 78.94( 33) 3 1 | 10 3 | 93.20 3 | 93.36 3
3 Duke = 92.55 32 5 79.36( 27) 4 2 | 10 5 | 91.31 5 | 93.94 2
4 Kentucky = 91.15 29 9 80.48( 15) 8 4 | 10 6 | 91.02 6 | 90.93 4
5 San Diego State = 91.11 32 3 78.02( 45) 2 3 | 7 3 | 93.15 4 | 89.45 9
6 Connecticut = 90.86 31 9 82.27( 2) 14 8 | 16 9 | 93.48 2 | 88.97 12
7 Pittsburgh = 90.62 28 6 79.08( 31) 8 4 | 10 5 | 90.08 9 | 90.85 5
8 BYU = 90.05 31 5 77.86( 50) 3 2 | 7 3 | 90.35 8 | 89.43 10
9 North Carolina = 89.63 29 8 80.91( 11) 4 5 | 10 6 | 89.61 10 | 89.29 11
10 Texas = 89.58 28 8 78.69( 34) 3 4 | 8 5 | 88.37 16 | 90.79 6
College Basketball 2010-2011 Div I games only through games of 2011 April 2 Saturday
HOME ADVANTAGE= 3.76 RATING W L SCHEDL(RANK) VS top 25 | VS top 50 | ELO_CHESS | PREDICTOR
11 Wisconsin = 89.17 25 9 80.86( 12) 4 5 | 12 9 | 88.42 15 | 89.67 8
12 Notre Dame = 89.11 27 7 80.63( 14) 9 5 | 12 7 | 90.40 7 | 87.78 16
13 Purdue = 89.10 26 8 80.31( 16) 4 3 | 12 6 | 87.99 17 | 90.13 7
14 Syracuse = 88.87 27 8 79.54( 22) 5 6 | 10 7 | 88.59 14 | 88.81 13
15 Florida = 88.62 29 8 79.25( 29) 2 4 | 10 4 | 89.22 12 | 87.74 17
16 Arizona = 88.32 30 8 78.44( 36) 3 5 | 4 6 | 89.25 11 | 87.21 19
17 Louisville = 87.69 25 10 79.72( 20) 9 6 | 11 7 | 86.94 20 | 88.17 15
18 Cincinnati = 87.25 26 9 77.87( 49) 4 7 | 7 9 | 87.86 18 | 86.37 21
19 West Virginia = 86.60 21 12 81.95( 4) 6 7 | 8 9 | 86.03 24 | 86.85 20
20 Butler = 86.48 27 9 77.27( 60) 3 2 | 6 3 | 88.76 13 | 84.58 36
College Basketball 2010-2011 Div I games only through games of 2011 April 2 Saturday
HOME ADVANTAGE= 3.76 RATING W L SCHEDL(RANK) VS top 25 | VS top 50 | ELO_CHESS | PREDICTOR
21 Washington = 86.23 24 11 78.28( 38) 2 3 | 4 5 | 84.28 35 | 88.77 14
22 Georgetown = 85.99 21 11 82.39( 1) 3 8 | 8 11 | 87.10 19 | 84.73 34
23 Wichita State = 85.76 28 8 73.98( 126) 0 2 | 2 3 | 85.42 27 | 85.75 23
24 Illinois = 85.55 20 14 81.54( 6) 2 7 | 8 12 | 83.87 38 | 87.46 18
25 Marquette = 85.51 22 15 81.10( 9) 6 10 | 7 14 | 85.40 28 | 85.27 30
26 George Mason = 85.31 27 7 75.04( 98) 0 1 | 3 3 | 86.09 23 | 84.29 39
27 Kansas State = 85.23 22 11 79.65( 21) 2 4 | 6 7 | 85.14 30 | 84.96 33
28 Florida State = 85.11 23 11 78.09( 43) 2 5 | 4 9 | 84.67 31 | 85.20 31
29 UNLV = 85.09 24 9 76.99( 63) 1 7 | 3 7 | 84.31 34 | 85.60 25
30 Utah State = 85.02 29 4 72.03( 175) 0 2 | 0 3 | 84.53 32 | 85.17 32
College Basketball 2010-2011 Div I games only through games of 2011 April 2 Saturday
HOME ADVANTAGE= 3.76 RATING W L SCHEDL(RANK) VS top 25 | VS top 50 | ELO_CHESS | PREDICTOR
31 Richmond = 84.89 29 8 75.55( 85) 1 1 | 4 4 | 86.01 25 | 83.61 42
32 Michigan = 84.86 20 14 81.30( 8) 1 10 | 7 11 | 83.79 39 | 85.76 22
33 Temple = 84.83 26 8 76.07( 76) 1 2 | 3 6 | 85.68 26 | 83.74 41
34 Villanova = 84.69 21 12 79.52( 23) 5 6 | 7 8 | 83.53 40 | 85.69 24
35 Vanderbilt = 84.58 23 11 78.11( 42) 3 5 | 5 7 | 83.46 41 | 85.54 27
36 St. John's = 84.55 21 12 81.42( 7) 8 6 | 10 8 | 85.34 29 | 83.51 44
37 VCU(Va. Commonwealth) = 84.36 28 12 76.86( 66) 4 1 | 8 5 | 86.26 22 | 82.58 51
38 Gonzaga = 84.22 24 10 75.74( 81) 1 4 | 3 5 | 83.45 42 | 84.71 35
39 Clemson = 84.09 22 12 78.05( 44) 0 5 | 2 8 | 82.76 44 | 85.35 29
40 Missouri = 83.94 22 11 77.71( 53) 1 5 | 4 8 | 83.23 43 | 84.34 38
College Basketball 2010-2011 Div I games only through games of 2011 April 2 Saturday
HOME ADVANTAGE= 3.76 RATING W L SCHEDL(RANK) VS top 25 | VS top 50 | ELO_CHESS | PREDICTOR
41 Old Dominion = 83.88 27 7 75.63( 83) 0 2 | 6 5 | 86.50 21 | 81.69 58
42 Belmont = 83.86 30 5 69.59( 263) 0 1 | 0 2 | 82.36 46 | 85.37 28
43 Xavier-Ohio = 83.70 24 8 76.47( 73) 1 3 | 3 5 | 84.41 33 | 82.72 50
44 Texas A&M = 83.58 23 9 76.92( 65) 1 4 | 5 5 | 83.87 37 | 82.94 48
45 Michigan State = 83.36 18 15 82.20( 3) 4 9 | 7 14 | 82.48 45 | 83.98 40
46 UCLA = 83.10 23 11 77.92( 48) 2 5 | 4 7 | 83.90 36 | 82.03 54
47 Virginia Tech = 83.04 22 12 77.56( 55) 1 4 | 4 7 | 81.55 57 | 84.49 37
48 Alabama = 82.98 25 12 75.44( 89) 1 4 | 1 5 | 82.29 47 | 83.35 45
49 Penn State = 82.73 19 15 81.55( 5) 3 7 | 7 12 | 82.20 48 | 82.93 49
50 Northwestern = 82.63 20 14 79.12( 30) 1 6 | 2 12 | 81.95 51 | 83.01 47
College Basketball 2010-2011 Div I games only through games of 2011 April 2 Saturday
HOME ADVANTAGE= 3.76 RATING W L SCHEDL(RANK) VS top 25 | VS top 50 | ELO_CHESS | PREDICTOR
51 Saint Mary's-Cal. = 82.27 23 9 73.89( 129) 0 2 | 2 6 | 80.87 64 | 83.57 43
52 Maryland = 82.20 19 14 76.98( 64) 0 6 | 3 10 | 79.63 73 | 85.58 26
53 Washington State = 82.16 22 13 78.01( 46) 2 5 | 4 8 | 82.13 49 | 81.83 57
54 Colorado = 81.91 23 14 77.46( 57) 1 3 | 5 6 | 81.60 56 | 81.87 55
55 Georgia = 81.81 21 12 77.50( 56) 1 5 | 1 11 | 81.68 55 | 81.58 59
56 New Mexico = 81.77 21 13 76.53( 70) 2 3 | 2 6 | 80.35 69 | 83.07 46
57 Minnesota = 81.52 17 14 79.73( 19) 3 5 | 5 12 | 80.40 67 | 82.41 52
58 Oakland-Mich. = 81.33 24 10 73.85( 130) 0 5 | 0 7 | 80.76 65 | 81.56 60
59 Tennessee = 81.31 19 15 79.89( 17) 1 6 | 7 8 | 81.21 58 | 81.05 63
60 Southern California = 81.02 19 15 78.47( 35) 3 4 | 4 6 | 79.97 72 | 81.83 56
College Basketball 2010-2011 Div I games only through games of 2011 April 2 Saturday
HOME ADVANTAGE= 3.76 RATING W L SCHEDL(RANK) VS top 25 | VS top 50 | ELO_CHESS | PREDICTOR
61 Miami-Florida = 81.00 21 15 77.66( 54) 1 4 | 1 10 | 80.18 70 | 81.51 61
62 UAB = 80.83 22 9 74.87( 99) 0 1 | 1 2 | 81.08 59 | 80.24 67
63 Boston College = 80.76 21 13 77.85( 51) 0 4 | 3 8 | 80.89 63 | 80.27 66
64 Cleveland State = 80.71 25 9 74.48( 109) 0 4 | 0 5 | 81.76 53 | 79.43 76
65 Missouri State = 80.63 26 9 73.57( 136) 2 0 | 2 0 | 80.91 62 | 80.01 69
66 Nebraska = 80.33 19 13 76.22( 75) 1 3 | 3 7 | 79.45 74 | 80.93 64
67 Oklahoma State = 80.31 20 14 78.23( 40) 0 4 | 3 8 | 80.95 61 | 79.36 77
68 College of Charleston = 80.27 26 11 72.78( 154) 0 2 | 0 3 | 80.40 68 | 79.79 74
69 California = 80.10 18 15 79.44( 25) 0 7 | 2 8 | 80.57 66 | 79.31 78
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Good find Fly... Sagarin has always been a pretty good (although none are perfect) gauge of teams' strength. It takes home/road and scoring margin factors into account.
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(04-03-2011 03:52 PM)omnicarrier Wrote:  It was a "bad" tournament for the Big East, but UConn can salvage it by winning the NC.

How do I know? Because that's what posters like Quo Vadis and Michael Savage have said in the past when the ACC underperformed as "bad" or worse than the BE this year but then won the NC. 03-wink

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I totally agree...

Big East Haters' Punditry:
1. ACC gets 1 team in Final 8 in both '09 and '10, but wins National Championship each year ---> "ACC won title so it's the best conference".
2. Big East gets 4 in Final 8, and 2 of Final 4 in '09 ---> "ACC won title so it's the best conference".
3. Big East gets National Champ in '11 (?) ---> "Big East sucks and is overrated".
4. Big East gets 12 teams in Final Four since 2005 ---> "Big East hasn't won a title during that time".
5. Big East has had six different teams in Final Four from 2007 to today ---> "Big East hasn't won a title during that time".
6. Our #9 team is in the Nat'l Championship ---> "No, UConn is your #1, your league champion"... so, ok, then Pitt is now our #2, and the ACC's #3 Florida State beat our #3 Notre Dame ---> "no, Notre Dame was our #2"...

I mean, Big East haters have to twist around like pretzels to make their logic work...
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(04-04-2011 07:50 AM)TampaKnight Wrote:  Regular season only matters to get in the tournament. Winning in the tournament is the only thing that matters. I know the upper-leagues love to hang their hats on their regular season accomplishments (I know I did for UCF, and we backed it up by going to the semis in the CBI), but in the end, only one Big East team remains, and one Horizon team remains. Who wins? Whose conference is represented as the best?...

...Colorado got shafted, that much is true. Harvard, perhaps deserved a shot. I can't really think of another team that sticks out in my mind.

1. I think the Ivies only allow their league champ to go to the NCAA's.
2. What's the CBI?
3. Stetson is UCF's b!tch.
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