Sounds like you guys need to get on the lobbying horse. Hopefully you'll get someone with some vision. Would be nice to take a road trip in the fall to the east Tennessee area. Something that didn't materialize with our early exit out of the A-Sun.

Dr. Bishop told me personally she would like to be president and that football is needed at ETSU. Mullins and Bartow will do everything possible to get Dr. Andrews as the new president. did I say anything possible?
I do not think they know what they want - I personally think Dr. Andrews will enjoy a Phoenix moment.

(03-30-2011 10:51 PM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  1. Both local TV stations had short interviews with stanton tonight. On the WCYB version, they asked him his biggest regret, and he said dropping football. Then, he quickly revised that answer to say "*having*" to drop football. Freudian slip?

2. Wilsie has proclaimed she's not interested in becoming President. Not sure I ever fully bought that, but she's said it. Some don't like her, but we could do worse.....
I hope the sentiment is still against Mr. Morehead St.

I have every reason to believe that Stanton plans to lead the way with the reinstatement of football. It's been a political hot button for the entire time, it was a litmus test out of Nashville that failed miserably and Stanton was the axe man. He will be allowed to "polish" this legacy.

I say let "history" be "History" and you move on... I have no reason to think that IN-House and homegrown are the way to go on the highest office. Perhaps Andrews thinks the learned things up in More-Head land but he's not needed here. We had enough of dictator's polished up with sweet songs and kind words from those who have benefitted from the ass-kissing. TIME TO CLEAN UP AND MOVE FORWARD.

I agree that OUT-of-house might be the best thing. Like I said, my personal opinion is that we could do much worse than Wilsie, but that doesn't mean we couldn't do better.

Interesting theory about your "litmus test". Don't think I buy that; if that is indeed the case, stanton has kept that secret way too well. I just don't think that's possible, but I guess stranger things have happened......
If I'm correct, then there will be no "polishing the legacy"............and that's the way I read the tea leaves from where I sit.

I love how he is seeking president emeritus, like he is entitled to it. Isn't that bestowed by a committee? You can't really campaign for that can you?

And what if he does get emeritus status. Does anybody really think that is a good thing for the return of football?

I would assume that Emeritus status is a formality for a former President. Nearly all the even somewhat distinguished faculty that are here for anywhere near a long time are typically granted this. Stanton is certainly entitled to it.

(03-31-2011 11:33 AM)straightfromthehorsesmouth Wrote:  

(03-30-2011 10:51 PM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  1. Both local TV stations had short interviews with stanton tonight. On the WCYB version, they asked him his biggest regret, and he said dropping football. Then, he quickly revised that answer to say "*having*" to drop football. Freudian slip?

2. Wilsie has proclaimed she's not interested in becoming President. Not sure I ever fully bought that, but she's said it. Some don't like her, but we could do worse.....
I hope the sentiment is still against Mr. Morehead St.

I have every reason to believe that Stanton plans to lead the way with the reinstatement of football. It's been a political hot button for the entire time, it was a litmus test out of Nashville that failed miserably and Stanton was the axe man. He will be allowed to "polish" this legacy.

I say let "history" be "History" and you move on... I have no reason to think that IN-House and homegrown are the way to go on the highest office. Perhaps Andrews thinks the learned things up in More-Head land but he's not needed here. We had enough of dictator's polished up with sweet songs and kind words from those who have benefitted from the ass-kissing. TIME TO CLEAN UP AND MOVE FORWARD.

I really, really, really do hope that this is true. And let him start the fund raising right now and lead the way for the re-instatement. Now that would be a dream come true for fans and alumni.

(03-31-2011 11:44 AM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  I agree that OUT-of-house might be the best thing. Like I said, my personal opinion is that we could do much worse than Wilsie, but that doesn't mean we couldn't do better.

Interesting theory about your "litmus test". Don't think I buy that; if that is indeed the case, stanton has kept that secret way too well. I just don't think that's possible, but I guess stranger things have happened......
If I'm correct, then there will be no "polishing the legacy"............and that's the way I read the tea leaves from where I sit.

I PERSONALLY hope he rides off into this good night and we never have to deal with him again and he enjoys a much earned retirement with Mrs. Stanton and the kids... BUT I think he'll want the image cleaned becasue he fully knows that his "stamp" will always be that he killed football.

We'll see, this will be a very interesting 9-10 months toward ETSU's future.

Yes, we know he wants his image "cleaned", but I don't see the mechanism to make that happen. It would almost have to be legislatively engineered, and as we know TN doesn't have the $$ to make that fly. What would he do, have another vote? ANY "home-grown" version he (or we) could think of would be tainted by so much crow-eating as to be unpalatable, even for him.
I just don't see a mechanism (from him) internally, and externally it simply wouldn't fly.

Personally, I won't pop any champagne until we have a president who wants football. I'm very concerned about this next step. We could very easily get someone who feels it is an unnecessary challenge not worth the effort.

But honestly, why wouldn't you have an all out fund-raising campaign to resume football? You have almost nothing to lose. Sure, it will cost money to mail flyers, notices, etc, but the new president would come out with a strong image no matter how it ended up. "At least he tried" kind of thing.

I also agree somewhat with the 'litmus test' theory. I would bet good money that Charles Manning (THEC pres??) told Stanton this was the way things in TN were heading and they would back his decision to drop football 110%. Many others would be following and he would look like a genius. It didn't pan out that way hence the decision to "revive" it in 2007.

(03-31-2011 06:03 PM)etsualumni00 Wrote:  I also agree somewhat with the 'litmus test' theory. I would bet good money that Charles Manning (THEC pres??) told Stanton this was the way things in TN were heading and they would back his decision to drop football 110%. Many others would be following and he would look like a genius. It didn't pan out that way hence the decision to "revive" it in 2007.

Manning was over the TBR and it was around the same time when THEC was trying to ban all funding for athletics... which we know NEVER happened. There was a one year freeze on the allocations from the student maitenance fees for athletics. We all know the battle cry from Stanton and the chronies about "eliminating" the funding sources and how impossible it would be to keep athletics at the same level... in spite of the fact that they got the first "restricted" student fee on top of the student fee allocation from maint. fees.

Not sure if anyone caught the third edition of the ad's in the papers a few weeks ago, but it outlined the amounts that ETSU has gotten from two STUDENT sources. I'll try and get that info up next week, crazy week of work right now.

I`m still waiting on that "next level" that was supposedly going to come from cutting football. Seems like we dropped a level.

(03-31-2011 06:03 PM)etsualumni00 Wrote:  But honestly, why wouldn't you have an all out fund-raising campaign to resume football? You have almost nothing to lose.

That's what we've all wanted to know since 2003 (has it been that long? Really?!?). One can only guess that the ultra-stealth "fund-raising" that only raised $55,000 (?) in 5 (?) years was orchestrated to fail so that they could claim no one supported it - or wanted it enough to contribute to it. That's the most puzzling one single thing I'd like to ask stanton (and paty). Why he could go all crazy to raise funds for the pharmacy school (not that I'm against that), but not (figuratively) lift a finger to try and raise MUCH LESS money for football. Maybe one of these days when he's gone I'll just ask him that.

I will just say this one thing: the advertisement that was posted in the newest edition of the East Tennessean (and most of the ads that I have seen placed there by the BFFF) was a classic example of an ineffective ad. If this is what they are intending to do with their money, it wont impact student's opinions at all.

All of these ads are very rambling, far too wordy, and do not effectively get the message across to ETSU students. Perhaps there is a audience that would be impacted by such an ad, but both visually and content wise- these types of ads are missing the student population. There almost seems to be a generational gap that the authors of the ads do not understand marketing toward the 18-24 demographic.

Agree completely....

(03-30-2011 10:51 PM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  1. Both local TV stations had short interviews with stanton tonight. On the WCYB version, they asked him his biggest regret, and he said dropping football. Then, he quickly revised that answer to say "*having*" to drop football. Freudian slip?

2. Wilsie has proclaimed she's not interested in becoming President. Not sure I ever fully bought that, but she's said it. Some don't like her, but we could do worse.....
I hope the sentiment is still against Mr. Morehead St.

How significant is his "biggest regret"? If this is indeed heavy on his heart, let's hope that it means he will use his considerable influence with the TBR and other significant political types to erase this regret by seeing that a football restoring president is hired. (And, he's one heck of a fund raiser.) A regret is a hard thing to live with if there's opportunity to fix it and one lets that opportunity slip away. Let's also hope that Paul Stanton doesn't let an opportunity slip away for his own benefit as well as for the benefit of East Tennessee State University.

Well, truly, the way I see it, he *had* that opportunity to "fix" it, but took the chicken's way out by having the vote (which was NOT required). He wanted to shift the responsibility to others, and did so.

Remember back before "the vote", he more or less admitted he had made a mistake, without using those exact words. I believe it's as close as we'll ever come to hearing him say he made a mistake by killing football. If he didn't correct it then, why would he try to now? Just that much more crow to eat.......

Would love to be wrong......