(03-29-2011 03:59 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  At the end of the day is a no win situation. You DONT want to keep a kid that doesnt want to play for you.
The easiest thing would be for UCF to say, fine, we grant you a release but you cant go to UL or any other conference or team we are playing next year. Done. You come out looking good and if the kid really wants to go to UL, he sits out a year. Now you will have itr drag out and bring bad attention for a kid that will NOT help you out.

+1

(03-28-2011 06:37 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  from UCF. I guess all those UL fans were correct about the kid wanting out. Surprised no one had posted it.

http://blogs.courier-journal.com/jodydem...nt=Twitter

GOL said today he will not grant Smith a release. He has never given any kid a release. He simply laughed and said let him do his appeals. I have serious doubts he gets any hardship wavier, so he likely has to pay for his first year at Louisville, and then has 4 to play. I wish him and the Cards well.

I just hope the time playing WR has not messed up Jeffery Godfrey too bad.

(03-29-2011 05:37 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  

(03-29-2011 03:52 PM)USFMike Wrote:  my point is recruiting is a dirty game, i'm sure if demarcus wanted to he could air out a lot of dirty laundry about what goes on at ucf (which to be fair may not be much different than other programs) but the fact is ucf is already on probation for recruiting violations, does o'leary want to risk getting hit a second time?

LOL, you mean how UCF got in trouble for sending texts to a recruit when texting was new? Every school was doing that. There are a lot of vague assertions about "dirty laundry" in this thread, but there is no evidence of that. The only dirty laundry I've heard about is UL fans pressuring the kid and his family to back out of his NLI. UCF hasn't done anything wrong in this situation and should make the kid sit out a year if he wants to break his word and go to UL.

jokes on you, the more ucf bumbles this situation the more it reflects poorly on your program and hurts your recruiting. the fact is you are on probation one more strike and you'll get a heck of a lot more than that hand slap they gave you last time. i'd just say it would be wise to just cut ties and end the negative press/and or drama, as opposed to going through a ncaa appeals process where demarcus smith can cut loose and make public any ucf wrongdoings.

if i was a ucf fan that's what i'd rather see being done, plus it's never smart to make enemies with louisville and tom jurich, and making snarky allegations of wrongdoing through the press is one way to do it.

(03-29-2011 05:37 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  The only dirty laundry I've heard about is UL fans pressuring the kid and his family to back out of his NLI.

There it is again with UCF fans making baseless allegations. The only place you "heard" that was on a UCF board with people making up claims because a recruit changed his mind.

I still say let him go.

(03-29-2011 08:41 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(03-29-2011 05:37 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  The only dirty laundry I've heard about is UL fans pressuring the kid and his family to back out of his NLI.

There it is again with UCF fans making baseless allegations. The only place you "heard" that was on a UCF board with people making up claims because a recruit changed his mind.

Hey, break time is over CollegeCard. Get back to work. Those floors aren't going to mop themselves.

Quick question, what if the kid says ok, you won't release me, I'll stay.....and not care or try. He would probably be red-shirted because he wouldn't see the field.....or could UCF not allow him to redshirt even if he doesn't play? Is that possible?

Then after the year is over and he fullfilled the LOI obligations.....could he not just then transfer and sit out a year and not lose a year of eligibility? I mean the LOI is only for 1 year. So what happens after that? Wouldn't him going that route force UCF to either give him a free ride and waste a scholly or release him?

(03-29-2011 08:41 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(03-29-2011 05:37 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  The only dirty laundry I've heard about is UL fans pressuring the kid and his family to back out of his NLI.

There it is again with UCF fans making baseless allegations. The only place you "heard" that was on a UCF board with people making up claims because a recruit changed his mind.

Why else would he back out of a NLI? He doesn't want to share his "extenuating circumstances". If UCF releases him it sets a precedent that whenever a school signs a kid in their city that they wanted, keep the fan base pressuring him to change his mind.

(03-29-2011 12:38 PM)Wooglin157 Wrote:  Everyone is obviously in a tough spot here.

UCF now with only 2 QBs on the roster because they assume that NLI means things are settled and they stop essentially stop recruiting since scholarships are filled. I mean, UCF had plans to move their QB last year to WR, now instead of getting full reps at WR, he has to take time away from that to get more QB reps as an emergency 3rd stringer.

Obviously for DaMarcus, he's at the center of this. He went in just a week or so ago to UCF saying he's still wanting to be a Knight, and now he's faced with NLI penalties and being in an awkward situation. Clearly not a good situation, but it shouldn't be shocking UCF doesn't release him. No way they can as that would make an NLI at UCF be meaningless - which you can't have.

But I'm interested in the passive threats at UCF. I've seen you Maize makes these types of post on the CUSA boards and the boards here. Are you just going to keep making those insinuations with zero possibility to address/review them or are you going to just say what they are?

Who gives a rats ass about your QB situation? How could O'Liary be a big enough doosh to think that a double secret commit from our commit was reason enough to stop recruiting quarterbacks? Hell, scout published an article on January 28th in which Demarcus said he was still commited to Louisville! I've really enojyed watching UCF dig their own grave in regards to Big East membership.

(03-29-2011 09:52 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(03-29-2011 08:41 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(03-29-2011 05:37 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  The only dirty laundry I've heard about is UL fans pressuring the kid and his family to back out of his NLI.

There it is again with UCF fans making baseless allegations. The only place you "heard" that was on a UCF board with people making up claims because a recruit changed his mind.

Why else would he back out of a NLI? He doesn't want to share his "extenuating circumstances". If UCF releases him it sets a precedent that whenever a school signs a kid in their city that they wanted, keep the fan base pressuring him to change his mind.

There are probably several reasons as to why he would want out of his NLI....doesn't mean everybody put pressure on him.....maybe he thinks the UCF coaching staff misled him.....if so...he may have a hard time getting up for playing for them. Maybe he realized he would be "homesick".....maybe he got a girl pregnant.....there are many reasons for asking out of his commitment....maybe not good reasons but reasons none the less. I am sure if will come out in the wash....I doubt this is going to remain civil from Smith's side.

(03-29-2011 03:39 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  I have no dog in this fight, other than wanting the best for any Big East school. So I hope Smith winds up at UL, if that is what Louisville wants.

However, this might sound absurd coming from a USF fan.....but I kind of agree with O'Leary that the sanctity of LOI needs to be respected, otherwise you will have to keep recruiting kids for months after National Signing Day. It would be chaos to keep these kids under "contract" until they officially show up on campus.

A contract is a contract.

With that said, the whole thing was suspect from the beginning, especially after Smith said that he would be on the field right away b/c "their QB was moving to WR, the position he would be playing at the next level". Anyone who followed football in the Southeast would know that Godfrey wasn't moving anywhere after his impressive freshman year. So that leaves two conclusions: the kid didn't ask the right questions and was mislead by UCF....or....there is more than meets the eye here in regards to "street agents" and such taking the decision out of the kid's hand. Obviously something tipped the balance toward Orlando back in Febraury....I doubt the kid is "dumb as rocks" to think that he was going to get early playing time behind potential 4-year starter in Godfrey. What new information did he suddenly learn about UCF's QB situation that wasn't available before NSD?

Let's just say that there have been some interesting recruiting stories coming out of Florida the last two years.....I'll leave it at that. I agree with adcorbett above.....if I'm Louisville I would be very, very careful with this kid.

UCF has been lying to recruits about entry to the Big East for at least two years. Contracts based on misinformation or misrepresentation aren't contracts at all as Mr. O'Liary and Notre Dame can tell you. Who knows what else UCF has been selling with that charlatan at the helm?

(03-29-2011 08:41 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(03-29-2011 05:37 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  The only dirty laundry I've heard about is UL fans pressuring the kid and his family to back out of his NLI.

There it is again with UCF fans making baseless allegations.

Yet a USF Fan, (USFMike) suggests that UCF is hiding NCAA recruiting violations when he said this:

i'm sure if demarcus wanted to he could air out a lot of dirty laundry about what goes on at ucf (which to be fair may not be much different than other programs) but the fact is ucf is already on probation for recruiting violations, does o'leary want to risk getting hit a second time?

Its funny to suggest that some usf fan would know anything about this situation but it doesn't stop them from suggesting wrong doing.

Wonder why?

Can't get over the quantity of BS thrown around over one kid. The vast majority of schools would not release the kid. Nor should they. Jeffery Godfrey was the player who showed Smith around UCF on his visit, somehow I doubt he led the kid on that he was not going to stay at QB. In Bridgewater's junior year of high school he was the #2 south fla qb, right behind who?? Jeffery Godfrey. I wish the kid well wherever he lands, But also think GOL is doing the right thing not giving him a release. Probably 8 of 10 college coaches wouldn't release the kid.

(03-28-2011 09:57 PM)CardHouse Wrote:  He's a confused teenager that belongs at UofL. Hopefully UCF will show a little class and let him out of his LOI with no strings attached; we'll see how this next chapter plays out.

Shirley you can't be serious. What serious program would rip up their LOI over a simple change of heart? This isn't a ladies sport where a whimsy change of mind is a 'woman's perrogative'.

Gotta agree with UCF on this, no reason to release him @ all. It is what it is with DaMarcus Smith.

(03-29-2011 09:52 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(03-29-2011 08:41 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(03-29-2011 05:37 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  The only dirty laundry I've heard about is UL fans pressuring the kid and his family to back out of his NLI.

There it is again with UCF fans making baseless allegations. The only place you "heard" that was on a UCF board with people making up claims because a recruit changed his mind.

Why else would he back out of a NLI? He doesn't want to share his "extenuating circumstances". If UCF releases him it sets a precedent that whenever a school signs a kid in their city that they wanted, keep the fan base pressuring him to change his mind.

You're confusing two issues here. I've made it clear earlier in the thread prior to their announcement that UCF wouldn't release him and I never stated that they should release him.

I'm simply responding to fact-less allegations by spurned Knight fans.

(03-30-2011 07:18 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(03-29-2011 08:41 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(03-29-2011 05:37 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  The only dirty laundry I've heard about is UL fans pressuring the kid and his family to back out of his NLI.

There it is again with UCF fans making baseless allegations.

Yet a USF Fan, (USFMike) suggests that UCF is hiding NCAA recruiting violations when he said this:

i'm sure if demarcus wanted to he could air out a lot of dirty laundry about what goes on at ucf (which to be fair may not be much different than other programs) but the fact is ucf is already on probation for recruiting violations, does o'leary want to risk getting hit a second time?

Its funny to suggest that some usf fan would know anything about this situation but it doesn't stop them from suggesting wrong doing.

USF fans are a different issue, and frankly I don't care what they say. This is a Big East board and this thread is quickly going the way of the previous Smith thread, towards locked status due solely to UCF fans interjecting with baseless claims when it's been clearly stated that you should expect less leeway when you are visitor to the board from a CUSA school.

(03-30-2011 12:26 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(03-30-2011 07:18 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(03-29-2011 08:41 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(03-29-2011 05:37 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  The only dirty laundry I've heard about is UL fans pressuring the kid and his family to back out of his NLI.

There it is again with UCF fans making baseless allegations.

Yet a USF Fan, (USFMike) suggests that UCF is hiding NCAA recruiting violations when he said this:

i'm sure if demarcus wanted to he could air out a lot of dirty laundry about what goes on at ucf (which to be fair may not be much different than other programs) but the fact is ucf is already on probation for recruiting violations, does o'leary want to risk getting hit a second time?

Its funny to suggest that some usf fan would know anything about this situation but it doesn't stop them from suggesting wrong doing.

USF fans are a different issue, and frankly I don't care what they say. This is a Big East board and this thread is quickly going the way of the previous Smith thread, towards locked status due solely to UCF fans interjecting with baseless claims when it's been clearly stated that you should expect less leeway when you are visitor to the board from a CUSA school.

I'm not so sure the bolded portion above necessarily refers to NCAA recruiting violations. I took it to mean that Smith might reveal that he was lied to by UCF staff during the recruiting process. While unseemly, that's hardly a recruiting violation. It's not like O'Leary hasn't been caught lying in the past, and we've already heard that Smith was told that UCF's QB was moving to receiver. While not a lie, Smith may feel that way. Plus, there have been reports of recruits talking as if they've been told that UCF is already joining the Big East. That's just in the recruiting process. There were also allegations of less-than-truthful statements being given in association with the Ereck Plancher case.

"Dirty Laundry" doesn't necessarily have to refer to NCAA recruiting violations. But there is a whole lot of things that have been alleged in the press recently that haven't painted UCF in an entirely positive light...

USFFan

(03-30-2011 12:26 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(03-29-2011 09:52 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(03-29-2011 08:41 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(03-29-2011 05:37 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  The only dirty laundry I've heard about is UL fans pressuring the kid and his family to back out of his NLI.

There it is again with UCF fans making baseless allegations. The only place you "heard" that was on a UCF board with people making up claims because a recruit changed his mind.

Why else would he back out of a NLI? He doesn't want to share his "extenuating circumstances". If UCF releases him it sets a precedent that whenever a school signs a kid in their city that they wanted, keep the fan base pressuring him to change his mind.

You're confusing two issues here. I've made it clear earlier in the thread prior to their announcement that UCF wouldn't release him and I never stated that they should release him.

I'm simply responding to fact-less allegations by spurned Knight fans.

(03-30-2011 07:18 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(03-29-2011 08:41 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(03-29-2011 05:37 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  The only dirty laundry I've heard about is UL fans pressuring the kid and his family to back out of his NLI.

There it is again with UCF fans making baseless allegations.

Yet a USF Fan, (USFMike) suggests that UCF is hiding NCAA recruiting violations when he said this:

i'm sure if demarcus wanted to he could air out a lot of dirty laundry about what goes on at ucf (which to be fair may not be much different than other programs) but the fact is ucf is already on probation for recruiting violations, does o'leary want to risk getting hit a second time?

Its funny to suggest that some usf fan would know anything about this situation but it doesn't stop them from suggesting wrong doing.

USF fans are a different issue, and frankly I don't care what they say. This is a Big East board and this thread is quickly going the way of the previous Smith thread, towards locked status due solely to UCF fans interjecting with baseless claims when it's been clearly stated that you should expect less leeway when you are visitor to the board from a CUSA school.

Right...while UL and USF fans flame away with "baseless" claims of UCF violations.

Don't think anyone else took the bait on the UL accusations, and rightfully so.

Not defending any fan from any school, but it is fun to see how certain fans from certain teams ignore baseless claims by others.

(03-30-2011 01:22 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(03-30-2011 12:26 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(03-30-2011 07:18 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(03-29-2011 08:41 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(03-29-2011 05:37 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  The only dirty laundry I've heard about is UL fans pressuring the kid and his family to back out of his NLI.

There it is again with UCF fans making baseless allegations.

Yet a USF Fan, (USFMike) suggests that UCF is hiding NCAA recruiting violations when he said this:

i'm sure if demarcus wanted to he could air out a lot of dirty laundry about what goes on at ucf (which to be fair may not be much different than other programs) but the fact is ucf is already on probation for recruiting violations, does o'leary want to risk getting hit a second time?

Its funny to suggest that some usf fan would know anything about this situation but it doesn't stop them from suggesting wrong doing.

USF fans are a different issue, and frankly I don't care what they say. This is a Big East board and this thread is quickly going the way of the previous Smith thread, towards locked status due solely to UCF fans interjecting with baseless claims when it's been clearly stated that you should expect less leeway when you are visitor to the board from a CUSA school.

I'm not so sure the bolded portion above necessarily refers to NCAA recruiting violations. I took it to mean that Smith might reveal that he was lied to by UCF staff during the recruiting process.
USFFan

UCF recruits and evaluates hundreds of players each and every year.

UCF's current football staff's overall record and reputation on the recruiting trail is just fine (its actually getting better each and every year...especially considering UCF's recent success on the field and maybe even more importantly, off the field and in the classroom...where UCF is now one of the best public univ in regards to academic performance).

When 2 former grad assistants that jumped ship to Alabama and Tennessee, (makes more sense now) were the ones involved in the texting issue from several years ago is their only blemish...but leave it to a USF fan to even blindly suggest that Smith would have "a lot of dirty laundry" to air about UCF recruiting.

(03-30-2011 01:56 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  Not defending any fan from any school, but it is fun to see how certain fans from certain teams ignore baseless claims by others.

DeMarcus messed up and he will have to probably sit out his year and then do whatever he wants after losing his 1 year of eligibility. Since people rarely have to face the consequences of their bad decisions in out society, I am sure he is going to fight this kicking and screaming and try to drag O'Leary through some bad press in the process. Stinks for both parties but it is what it is.

We just saw this somewhat with Savage and Schiano.

As far as UCF and USF....whatever....I do find it mildly amusing that UCF fans don't like "baseless" claims and wild conjecture.....hmmm.....