(03-26-2011 05:46 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(03-26-2011 04:29 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  Josh Pastner of Memphis is a candidate I would like to see looked at once Tom Jurich starts trying to fill the position.

Are you serious? I think Louisville could do much better than that guy. He's a great recruiter, but what good is that when you are at best an average coach, AT BEST? Even many Memphis fans want to get rid of him.

I am thinking very realistically here for I am having a hard time seeing some of the names leaving programs they have a crap load of time not to mention blood sweat and tears that take to build a program to come to Louisville which I do believe is a top 25 program in the country. I honestly don't think Pastner has had enough time just yet at Memphis, but his potential as a recruiter not to mention what he has been able to do in a few years as HeadCoach IMO is remarkable.

The guy I wanted before Pitino was Lenard Hamilton, but I think Louisville's best bet is to go young, and hip so to say and I think Pastner fits the mold. I don't think Stevens will be leaving Butler for he kind of reminds me being the next Caoch K of Duke not going Duke literally just figuratively. If Memphis doesn't want him than they are stupid as the pUKe fans in lessington who think Calipari is GOD. LOL

(03-26-2011 06:53 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  

(03-26-2011 05:46 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(03-26-2011 04:29 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  Josh Pastner of Memphis is a candidate I would like to see looked at once Tom Jurich starts trying to fill the position.

Are you serious? I think Louisville could do much better than that guy. He's a great recruiter, but what good is that when you are at best an average coach, AT BEST? Even many Memphis fans want to get rid of him.

I am thinking very realistically here for I am having a hard time seeing some of the names leaving programs they have a crap load of time not to mention blood sweat and tears that take to build a program to come to Louisville which I do believe is a top 25 program in the country. I honestly don't think Pastner has had enough time just yet at Memphis, but his potential as a recruiter not to mention what he has been able to do in a few years as HeadCoach IMO is remarkable.

The guy I wanted before Pitino was Lenard Hamilton, but I think Louisville's best bet is to go young, and hip so to say and I think Pastner fits the mold. I don't think Stevens will be leaving Butler for he kind of reminds me being the next Caoch K of Duke not going Duke literally just figuratively. If Memphis doesn't want him than they are stupid as the pUKe fans in lessington who think Calipari is GOD. LOL

Pastner would be a very strong candidate for the UL job...as most know he is already one of the best young recruiters in the business (top recruiting asst coach for Lute Olsen at Arizona, before jumping to Memphis with Calipari and then bringing in Top 10 classes on his own as Head Coach).

Since it will most likely be another year or two before Pitino retires, Pastner will have another year or two experience of being the top guy on game day (maybe his only weakness now due to inexperience).

UL can basically offer him a blank check (top dollar), and the only question might be will Memphis match it (probably), and will Pastner want to jump ship? (Might feel more loyalty to a program that gave him his first top spot).

Anyone who rips on Pastner obviously doesn't know much about him.

(03-26-2011 04:05 PM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  Wrong timing for Donavan to UK, could be right timing for him to UL. UF just doens't support basketball like we do with fans and dollars.

I can't remember the last time a Florida coach in any sport left Florida for anywhere other than the pros. Everything about Florida is first-rate from an athletic POV, plus it's in ... Florida.

(03-28-2011 08:28 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-26-2011 04:05 PM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  Wrong timing for Donavan to UK, could be right timing for him to UL. UF just doens't support basketball like we do with fans and dollars.

I can't remember the last time a Florida coach in any sport left Florida for anywhere other than the pros. Everything about Florida is first-rate from an athletic POV, plus it's in ... Florida.

True, it first rate but UF doesn't have the basketball facilities, basketball conference affiliation or the level of basketball tradition that is @ Louisville.

That being said he did turn down Kentucky but Louisville "ace in the hole" is his relationship with Pitino. Rick is like a 2nd father to him and Louisville would pretty much write a blank check for him.

(03-28-2011 07:57 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(03-26-2011 06:53 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  

(03-26-2011 05:46 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(03-26-2011 04:29 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  Josh Pastner of Memphis is a candidate I would like to see looked at once Tom Jurich starts trying to fill the position.

Are you serious? I think Louisville could do much better than that guy. He's a great recruiter, but what good is that when you are at best an average coach, AT BEST? Even many Memphis fans want to get rid of him.

I am thinking very realistically here for I am having a hard time seeing some of the names leaving programs they have a crap load of time not to mention blood sweat and tears that take to build a program to come to Louisville which I do believe is a top 25 program in the country. I honestly don't think Pastner has had enough time just yet at Memphis, but his potential as a recruiter not to mention what he has been able to do in a few years as HeadCoach IMO is remarkable.

The guy I wanted before Pitino was Lenard Hamilton, but I think Louisville's best bet is to go young, and hip so to say and I think Pastner fits the mold. I don't think Stevens will be leaving Butler for he kind of reminds me being the next Caoch K of Duke not going Duke literally just figuratively. If Memphis doesn't want him than they are stupid as the pUKe fans in lessington who think Calipari is GOD. LOL

Pastner would be a very strong candidate for the UL job...as most know he is already one of the best young recruiters in the business (top recruiting asst coach for Lute Olsen at Arizona, before jumping to Memphis with Calipari and then bringing in Top 10 classes on his own as Head Coach).

Since it will most likely be another year or two before Pitino retires, Pastner will have another year or two experience of being the top guy on game day (maybe his only weakness now due to inexperience).

UL can basically offer him a blank check (top dollar), and the only question might be will Memphis match it (probably), and will Pastner want to jump ship? (Might feel more loyalty to a program that gave him his first top spot).

Anyone who rips on Pastner obviously doesn't know much about him.

Your right, I dont know much about the kid. But what I do know is that he has demonstrated, thus far that he is a mediocre coach, AT BEST. That could change in the future, but I'm pretty sure that if Pitino retired from Louisville today, that Pastner would not even get a sniff. Thats the difference between Louisville and Memphis. Louisville wont have to settle for a guy with little or no head coaching experience.

(03-28-2011 08:43 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(03-28-2011 08:28 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-26-2011 04:05 PM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  Wrong timing for Donavan to UK, could be right timing for him to UL. UF just doens't support basketball like we do with fans and dollars.

I can't remember the last time a Florida coach in any sport left Florida for anywhere other than the pros. Everything about Florida is first-rate from an athletic POV, plus it's in ... Florida.

True, it first rate but UF doesn't have the basketball facilities, basketball conference affiliation or the level of basketball tradition that is @ Louisville.

That being said he did turn down Kentucky but Louisville "ace in the hole" is his relationship with Pitino. Rick is like a 2nd father to him and Louisville would pretty much write a blank check for him.

If he turned down *Kentucky*, and the *NBA* ....

(03-28-2011 10:39 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-28-2011 08:43 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(03-28-2011 08:28 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-26-2011 04:05 PM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  Wrong timing for Donavan to UK, could be right timing for him to UL. UF just doens't support basketball like we do with fans and dollars.

I can't remember the last time a Florida coach in any sport left Florida for anywhere other than the pros. Everything about Florida is first-rate from an athletic POV, plus it's in ... Florida.

True, it first rate but UF doesn't have the basketball facilities, basketball conference affiliation or the level of basketball tradition that is @ Louisville.

That being said he did turn down Kentucky but Louisville "ace in the hole" is his relationship with Pitino. Rick is like a 2nd father to him and Louisville would pretty much write a blank check for him.

If he turned down *Kentucky*, and the *NBA* ....

Like I said wrong timing for Kentucky and NBA. He had come off of a couple of titles, was getting crowd support and AD support, but now that the title era is gone, they are back to 1/2 to 3/4 full arenas it may be the right timing to move on in a couple of years. I don't doubt UF has first rate everything, but there are elite/followed/supported football programs and basketball programs.....UF is football and UL is basketball. UL could take Donovan from UF because he will look for a change sometime in the near future.

With UK in the FF, the heat is turned up on RP, and he's probably turning it up on himself since last summer....if we don't get at least a FF in the 2 years, I think you will see things change for us.

(03-28-2011 11:10 AM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  Like I said wrong timing for Kentucky and NBA. He had come off of a couple of titles, was getting crowd support and AD support, but now that the title era is gone, they are back to 1/2 to 3/4 full arenas it may be the right timing to move on in a couple of years. I don't doubt UF has first rate everything, but there are elite/followed/supported football programs and basketball programs.....UF is football and UL is basketball. UL could take Donovan from UF because he will look for a change sometime in the near future.

With UK in the FF, the heat is turned up on RP, and he's probably turning it up on himself since last summer....if we don't get at least a FF in the 2 years, I think you will see things change for us.

Florida isn't Kentucky when it comes to basketball, but over the past 20 years, with 4 Final 4s and 2 national titles, it's pretty elite in that department. Sure, you could be right about the timing and if BD does get the itch to move then UofL would obviously be very attractive. But i'd bet against it happening.

To me, the only attractions of UofL over Florida is in fan support and in status on the campus (basketball will always be second-fiddle to football at UF, whereas the opposite is true at UofL). But i don't think BD lacks for AD/money support at UF.

I think Pitino has your job as long as he wants it (unless things totally go south), but i foresee him retiring for good in a couple of years.

Don't think Donavan would go to UL. I mean he has got one of the best jobs in the nation, being a basketball coach at football school. The pressure isn't there to win as much as it would be at Louisville. When Slick Rick leaves I could see them pursuing a guy like Willard and Cronin if their main candidates turn them down, which is possible.

(03-28-2011 12:01 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  Don't think Donavan would go to UL. I mean he has got one of the best jobs in the nation, being a basketball coach at football school. The pressure isn't there to win as much as it would be at Louisville. When Slick Rick leaves I could see them pursuing a guy like Willard and Cronin if their main candidates turn them down, which is possible.

Those two names I hope are NOT on the list of condidates. I really like both of them, but I would much rather see Louisville go in another direction outside of Pitino just like they did with Denny Crum.

(03-28-2011 11:55 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-28-2011 11:10 AM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  Like I said wrong timing for Kentucky and NBA. He had come off of a couple of titles, was getting crowd support and AD support, but now that the title era is gone, they are back to 1/2 to 3/4 full arenas it may be the right timing to move on in a couple of years. I don't doubt UF has first rate everything, but there are elite/followed/supported football programs and basketball programs.....UF is football and UL is basketball. UL could take Donovan from UF because he will look for a change sometime in the near future.

With UK in the FF, the heat is turned up on RP, and he's probably turning it up on himself since last summer....if we don't get at least a FF in the 2 years, I think you will see things change for us.

Florida isn't Kentucky when it comes to basketball, but over the past 20 years, with 4 Final 4s and 2 national titles, it's pretty elite in that department. Sure, you could be right about the timing and if BD does get the itch to move then UofL would obviously be very attractive. But i'd bet against it happening.

To me, the only attractions of UofL over Florida is in fan support and in status on the campus (basketball will always be second-fiddle to football at UF, whereas the opposite is true at UofL). But i don't think BD lacks for AD/money support at UF.

I think Pitino has your job as long as he wants it (unless things totally go south), but i foresee him retiring for good in a couple of years.

I think there is somewhat of a comfort level for Donovan for staying so long at a "Football School"...as even when UF has a few down years (like they did right after they won their 2nd national title), its not the pressure cooker of say UK or maybe even UL...where College Basketball rules the town/school.

UF has a top practice facility...usually play in a soldout arena for SEC Conf Games...and FLA continues to put out some top HS talent (plus Billy does recruit nationally as well), Billy's been in Gainesville since 1996 (minus the one day he was to be the Coach of the Magic)...which is an eternity in many/most coaching ranks...where some coaches move from job to job to job (Bill Self, Roy Williams, Calipari et al).

UF took a gamble on a young coach with 2 just years of Head Coaching experience...and it worked.

(03-28-2011 12:37 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  

(03-28-2011 12:01 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  Don't think Donavan would go to UL. I mean he has got one of the best jobs in the nation, being a basketball coach at football school. The pressure isn't there to win as much as it would be at Louisville. When Slick Rick leaves I could see them pursuing a guy like Willard and Cronin if their main candidates turn them down, which is possible.

Those two names I hope are NOT on the list of condidates. I really like both of them, but I would much rather see Louisville go in another direction outside of Pitino just like they did with Denny Crum.

UL definitely has the money to go after a big time coach. The one thing I admire about UL's administration is that they go outside the box to make splash hires. The comparisons between Cincy and Louisville basically end with their conference affiliations...the $$$ they bring in is college football good.

I was just saying incase they swing and miss on the top guys, Willard and Cronin become a plan b.

preston knowles is the only senior, i think he back next year..............

(03-28-2011 02:10 PM)Stookey57 Wrote:  preston knowles is the only senior, i think he back next year..............

he is gearing up for one more legit final 4 chance, they will have a chance over the next 2 years. after that it is anyones guess if he stays....

(03-26-2011 05:46 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(03-26-2011 04:29 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  Josh Pastner of Memphis is a candidate I would like to see looked at once Tom Jurich starts trying to fill the position.

Are you serious? I think Louisville could do much better than that guy. He's a great recruiter, but what good is that when you are at best an average coach, AT BEST? Even many Memphis fans want to get rid of him.

The jury is still out on Pastner, yes, but his team did make a nice run at the end of the season and they were close to knocking off Arizona. I would not say "many" want him gone. He got handed scorched earth when Cal left and has done more than most could have.

(03-28-2011 08:44 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(03-28-2011 07:57 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(03-26-2011 06:53 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  

(03-26-2011 05:46 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(03-26-2011 04:29 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  Josh Pastner of Memphis is a candidate I would like to see looked at once Tom Jurich starts trying to fill the position.

Are you serious? I think Louisville could do much better than that guy. He's a great recruiter, but what good is that when you are at best an average coach, AT BEST? Even many Memphis fans want to get rid of him.

I am thinking very realistically here for I am having a hard time seeing some of the names leaving programs they have a crap load of time not to mention blood sweat and tears that take to build a program to come to Louisville which I do believe is a top 25 program in the country. I honestly don't think Pastner has had enough time just yet at Memphis, but his potential as a recruiter not to mention what he has been able to do in a few years as HeadCoach IMO is remarkable.

The guy I wanted before Pitino was Lenard Hamilton, but I think Louisville's best bet is to go young, and hip so to say and I think Pastner fits the mold. I don't think Stevens will be leaving Butler for he kind of reminds me being the next Caoch K of Duke not going Duke literally just figuratively. If Memphis doesn't want him than they are stupid as the pUKe fans in lessington who think Calipari is GOD. LOL

Pastner would be a very strong candidate for the UL job...as most know he is already one of the best young recruiters in the business (top recruiting asst coach for Lute Olsen at Arizona, before jumping to Memphis with Calipari and then bringing in Top 10 classes on his own as Head Coach).

Since it will most likely be another year or two before Pitino retires, Pastner will have another year or two experience of being the top guy on game day (maybe his only weakness now due to inexperience).

UL can basically offer him a blank check (top dollar), and the only question might be will Memphis match it (probably), and will Pastner want to jump ship? (Might feel more loyalty to a program that gave him his first top spot).

Anyone who rips on Pastner obviously doesn't know much about him.

Your right, I dont know much about the kid. But what I do know is that he has demonstrated, thus far that he is a mediocre coach, AT BEST. That could change in the future, but I'm pretty sure that if Pitino retired from Louisville today, that Pastner would not even get a sniff. Thats the difference between Louisville and Memphis. Louisville wont have to settle for a guy with little or no head coaching experience.

Always have pretty harsh words about Memphis. Who is to say RC settled on Pastner?, Who was available? At least he did not go with Cal's chosen successor - Barbee.

(03-28-2011 02:35 PM)Tigeer Wrote:  

(03-28-2011 08:44 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(03-28-2011 07:57 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(03-26-2011 06:53 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  

(03-26-2011 05:46 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  Are you serious? I think Louisville could do much better than that guy. He's a great recruiter, but what good is that when you are at best an average coach, AT BEST? Even many Memphis fans want to get rid of him.

I am thinking very realistically here for I am having a hard time seeing some of the names leaving programs they have a crap load of time not to mention blood sweat and tears that take to build a program to come to Louisville which I do believe is a top 25 program in the country. I honestly don't think Pastner has had enough time just yet at Memphis, but his potential as a recruiter not to mention what he has been able to do in a few years as HeadCoach IMO is remarkable.

The guy I wanted before Pitino was Lenard Hamilton, but I think Louisville's best bet is to go young, and hip so to say and I think Pastner fits the mold. I don't think Stevens will be leaving Butler for he kind of reminds me being the next Caoch K of Duke not going Duke literally just figuratively. If Memphis doesn't want him than they are stupid as the pUKe fans in lessington who think Calipari is GOD. LOL

Pastner would be a very strong candidate for the UL job...as most know he is already one of the best young recruiters in the business (top recruiting asst coach for Lute Olsen at Arizona, before jumping to Memphis with Calipari and then bringing in Top 10 classes on his own as Head Coach).

Since it will most likely be another year or two before Pitino retires, Pastner will have another year or two experience of being the top guy on game day (maybe his only weakness now due to inexperience).

UL can basically offer him a blank check (top dollar), and the only question might be will Memphis match it (probably), and will Pastner want to jump ship? (Might feel more loyalty to a program that gave him his first top spot).

Anyone who rips on Pastner obviously doesn't know much about him.

Your right, I dont know much about the kid. But what I do know is that he has demonstrated, thus far that he is a mediocre coach, AT BEST. That could change in the future, but I'm pretty sure that if Pitino retired from Louisville today, that Pastner would not even get a sniff. Thats the difference between Louisville and Memphis. Louisville wont have to settle for a guy with little or no head coaching experience.

Always have pretty harsh words about Memphis. Who is to say RC settled on Pastner?, Who was available? At least he did not go with Cal's chosen successor - Barbee.

What exactly did I say that was so harsh? And I think your second question answers your first question.

(03-28-2011 01:29 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  I think there is somewhat of a comfort level for Donovan for staying so long at a "Football School"...as even when UF has a few down years (like they did right after they won their 2nd national title), its not the pressure cooker of say UK or maybe even UL...where College Basketball rules the town/school.

Yeah, there's probably some truth in that.

Then again, this guy has won two national titles. That puts him on a very short list of coaches. Florida is probably very grateful ...

(03-26-2011 04:29 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  Josh Pastner of Memphis is a candidate I would like to see looked at once Tom Jurich starts trying to fill the position.

2nd year head coach Pastner just received a nice raise from Memphis today...as he will basically double his pay to $1.7 Million annual (still not close to the top coaches salaries but not bad for just a 2nd year HC).

Still less than what Calipari was earning at Memphis...which is smart...as Pastner still has to continue to improve on/off the court to receive more.

Memphis gives Pastner big raise