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Ehh... that is not necessarily a big deal, bit. I'd imagine they had no reason to suspect he was lying, hence wouldn't go to the trouble to get access to Tressel's email records.
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His history gave Ohio State no reason to investigate him? 04-jawdrop

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I've basically had two reactions since reading the e-mails (which painted a very different light than the press conference):

1. Tresel was just trying to swipe it under the rug no matter what is claimed and they just should have owned up to that.
2. THIS IS STILL BECAUSE KIDS COULDN'T SELL THEIR OWN STUFF. They sold their own stuff for what seems to be well under market value. Tressel didn't want them to get in trouble for this (that's what he should have said last night). Both the players and Tressel were in the wrong, but for crying out loud, the biggest problem is still the NCAA rule which lets the school make millions off players with minimal compensation and a severe restrictions on their rights.
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A rule is a rule, dude. If it weren't a rule, I'd have no problem with it. But it is a rule, and everyone in Columbus knew it...
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There is no way that OSU would fire Tressel for this. OSU makes so much money off of the football program, it would be financial suicide for the president or Athletic director to fire Tressel. They have one of the best coaches in college football, why shoot themselves in the foot when they can make it look like they are punishing Tressel and hope the NCAA agrees with them.
From Jim Tressel's standpoint what are you going to do when you find this out. The players have already sold the memorabillia. Its done. Nothing he can do or say can prevent something that has already happened. He knows that these types of infractions go on all the time at many of the big time programs. Not saying it was right what he did but coaches look the other way all the time, most of the time they do not get caught.
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(03-10-2011 12:22 AM)tj_2009 Wrote:  There is no way that OSU would fire Tressel for this. OSU makes so much money off of the football program, it would be financial suicide for the president or Athletic director to fire Tressel. They have one of the best coaches in college football
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Ohio State was Ohio State before Jim Tressel was born, let alone before he was hired.

Ohio State will be Ohio State long after Tressel is retired and then dead.

I recall a quote by Charles de Gaulle, of all people:

"The graveyards are full of indispensable men."

No one man is above the school or the football program. Tressel is dirty and a proven liar. Ohio State will be better off when he is gone.
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typical tO$U BS......cheaters
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The more I read, the more I think that he has coached his last game for Ohio State. I read an article stating what OSU supposedly sent to the NCAA, and those details really point to Jim Tressel getting a HUGE suspension. OSU may have to separate itself to do its best to limit any exposure it has.
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Dishonest coaches should have no part in the molding of young men's lives. If I was a parent, I would NEVER allow my kid to be around such a person...

Tressel, Pearl, Kiffin, and other people who break the rules and then lie about it should take the rest of their lives off, and the NCAA should make certain of it...
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(03-09-2011 12:21 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Frank:

I know that you are a Big Ten guy, but Jim Tressel lied to his bosses and lied to the NCAA. That is an egregious violation by the HEAD COACH of the football program. This is not a player, booster or father of a player. This is the head freaking coach.

The underlying offense is trivial. The fact that Tressel KNEW he had six ineligible players, covered it up and then lied repeatedly about it is horrendous and indefensible. He should be fired for this or Ohio State should be hit with lack of institutional control.

One or the other, maybe both. Ohio State has a history of violations with Clarett, Smith and others. I think that Ohio State leads the nations with something over 300 violations reported in the last decade.

Tressel looked the other way at Youngstown State too. The guy is dirty.

He's responsible for one less student death than Brian Kelly is.

I wonder how many people ripping Tressel have no problem congratulating known cheater Jim Calhoun for winning the Big East championship.
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I've seen plenty of people calling out Calhoun on here the last month. Tressel is also a known cheater.. look how many findings they've had for illegal benefits at OSU under his watch! Clarett, Troy Smith, Santonio Holmes, the 5 guys suspended now. He is no saint.
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(03-14-2011 09:47 AM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  
(03-09-2011 12:21 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Frank:

I know that you are a Big Ten guy, but Jim Tressel lied to his bosses and lied to the NCAA. That is an egregious violation by the HEAD COACH of the football program. This is not a player, booster or father of a player. This is the head freaking coach.

The underlying offense is trivial. The fact that Tressel KNEW he had six ineligible players, covered it up and then lied repeatedly about it is horrendous and indefensible. He should be fired for this or Ohio State should be hit with lack of institutional control.

One or the other, maybe both. Ohio State has a history of violations with Clarett, Smith and others. I think that Ohio State leads the nations with something over 300 violations reported in the last decade.

Tressel looked the other way at Youngstown State too. The guy is dirty.
He's responsible for one less student death than Brian Kelly is.

I wonder how many people ripping Tressel have no problem congratulating known cheater Jim Calhoun for winning the Big East championship.
Tressel may be responsible for the death of a full grown lawyer. The man who e-mailed Tressel about Pryor and the other players is currently receiving death threats from Ohio State fans...
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Michael:

There is a difference between negligence and intentional, wilful conduct. Our civil and criminal laws both reflect that fact.

Brian Kelly was very likely negligent and that led to Declan Sullivan's death.

If Brian Kelly intentionally lied to the NCAA or to the university, Notre Dame would immediately fire him.

Do you doubt that? See George O'Leary. He lied to the university and they fired him.

Jim Tressel should be fired.

I, for one, never applaud anything Jim Calhoun does, but that is another story.
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Personally, I think Tressel, Kelly & Calhoun all should have been fired. But they're all winners so they won't...until they ever start losing. That's just how it goes.
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I agree with you about all of them being fired. I'd add Lane Kiffin and Bruce Pearl to the list too. You can probably think of several others to add, if you give it some thought...

But I don't applaud Calhoun. I do applaud the players, like Kemba Walker. They deserve all the accolades they're getting. That has nothing to do with Calhoun...
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Kelly may have been guilty of bad judgment and negligence, but he did not lie and he did not cheat.

Many work place fatal accidents occur without the company CEO being fired.

Intentionally lie and cheat, though, that is a different animal.
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(03-14-2011 10:10 AM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  Personally, I think Tressel, Kelly & Calhoun all should have been fired. But they're all winners so they won't...until they ever start losing. That's just how it goes.

I agree with you on these points as others have stated, with the possible exception of Kelly, which is debatable. There is no double standard over here, and every one of those coaches have been condemned for their actions on this board.
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(03-09-2011 12:40 PM)TerryD Wrote:  To be clear, I am hopeful that ultimately Scam Newton and Auburn get hammered by the NCAA, just as Reggie Bush and USC did.

USC got hammered? Pete Carroll is a head coach in the NFL. Reggie Bush is a mediocre millionaire running back. They've hired the most corrupt head coach availalbe, and they just signed a top ten recruiting class. Way to lay down the hammer NCAA!
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I do hope something still comes of this. It bothers me that anybody would use what happened (didn't happen?) to Cam Newton as an excuse to not come at Ohio State with full force. In the scheme of things, No, the ineligible players hadn't committed any horrible crimes against humanity. But they knowingly broke rules, and in the breaking of those rules became ineligible. Tressel knowingly played players he knew would be determined ineligible should they be caught. Even after the truth came out, Ohio State played those same players in their bowl game.

And the rule that the players broke was one that can only really be applied to elite schools such as Ohio State. Do you think those same players could've profited from selling their crap if they played for the Ohio University Bobcats instead of the Ohio State University Buckeyes? The rules need to be MORE strictly enforced at big-time schools, not less strictly enforced, because the potential for corruption is so much greater.

To say that, since the rules weren't enforced against Cam Newton, they shouldn't be enforced against Tressel is simply unconscionable. Someday the NCAA is going to have to start enforcing rules evenly, and not basing its decisions on the politics of the game and the money that can be made off elite teams. I guarantee if those aforementioned Ohio Bobcats were involved in this scam, they'd probably be vacating an entire season's worth of wins right now. But since it's Ohio State, and any serious penalty will eat into the NCAA's profit margins, a slap on the wrist will no doubt suffice.

We Louisville fans love that old Tarkanian quote: “The NCAA is so mad at Kentucky it's going to give Cleveland State two more years probation.” One of these days the smaller and/or non-elite schools are going to join forces to put a stop to this garbage - perhaps in the nation's legal courts. I hope that time has come.
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