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Pastner is going to have to grow with the program he's new to being a head coach on that level. It is a joke that Alabama is even being considered.
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(03-07-2011 12:36 PM)Tigeer Wrote:  
(03-07-2011 10:14 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  I cant believe how hard Memphis has fallen since Calipari left. He had that program flying higher than they have ever flown before.

Not completely a true statement on both accounts. Falling hard would be less than 20 wins, and Memphis had been where Cal took them before and with less animosity and more respect from others.

Maybe so, but not in such a short period of time, meaning Memphis had never had a 3 or 4 year period of winning like what Cal gave them their last 3 or 4 years. You cant deny that, and Memphis had taken a hiatus from national relevance for years before cal ressurected the program. Memphis hasnt been a regular tourney team since Cal left, and has lost to more Cusa teams this season than Cal had lost to in his last 3 or 4 years combined. Looking at where Calipari had the program in his last 3 or 4 years, the program has fallen hard, imo.
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(03-07-2011 10:33 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  
(03-07-2011 10:14 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  I cant believe how hard Memphis has fallen since Calipari left. He had that program flying higher than they have ever flown before. I was just starting to like Cal again until he pulled that stunt and left the program high and dry. He's a great coach, but somehow he keeps leaving programs on probation and he gets away sneaky clean. The same thing will happen to Kentucky.

While Cal jumped to UK...he left a program with recent deep NCAA runs (obviously the NCAA took away, on paper, their Final Four run), as Memphis new head coach and former Cal Asst, Pastner, has done a great job on the recruiting trail, as Memphis brought in the #2 recruiting class in the Nation this past year (right behind Cal).

http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/c...88659#rank

While Memphis has struggled at times with so many freshmen on the court at once...Pastner continues to tear it up on the recruiting front (not many scholarships to use now obviously), by already signing another 5-star player and Top 15 national player in Adonis Thomas.

Cal left the program in 1,000% better shape when he got there (i.e. full arena, tons of top boosters on board, etc...), so while the Tigers had to build up quickly with freshmen recruits, the foundation (i.e. great support, Final 4 run, beautiful arena) was already in place...so the Tigers should be back by next season...when their freshmen grow up.

Yes, he did leave the program in better shape, once you get over the fact that the final four was vacated and the program is in trouble with the Ncaa.

The other point is that the present coach has 4 and 5 star recruits on campus right now, and he is still losing to teams that it was unthinkable for Cal to lose to in his final 3 or 4 years. At this point and time, the kid is not a good coach. A great recruiter, but not so great a coach. I do agree that he can become a great coach. But a program that was at the level that Memphis was, you dont expect a guy to get on the job training.
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Only because I saw the screw job UC took in 2006 (Utah State and Air Force), I wonder if Indiana State winning the MVC gets an unqualified Missouri State team that won the regular season title and sits at #42 in the RPI an at large bid?
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(03-07-2011 06:24 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I wonder if Indiana State winning the MVC gets an unqualified Missouri State team that won the regular season title and sits at #42 in the RPI an at large bid?
Not according to Joe Lunardi this afternoon. But that could change after all the conference tournaments play out...
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(03-07-2011 03:43 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(03-07-2011 12:36 PM)Tigeer Wrote:  
(03-07-2011 10:14 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  I cant believe how hard Memphis has fallen since Calipari left. He had that program flying higher than they have ever flown before.

Not completely a true statement on both accounts. Falling hard would be less than 20 wins, and Memphis had been where Cal took them before and with less animosity and more respect from others.

Maybe so, but not in such a short period of time, meaning Memphis had never had a 3 or 4 year period of winning like what Cal gave them their last 3 or 4 years. You cant deny that, and Memphis had taken a hiatus from national relevance for years before cal ressurected the program. Memphis hasnt been a regular tourney team since Cal left, and has lost to more Cusa teams this season than Cal had lost to in his last 3 or 4 years combined. Looking at where Calipari had the program in his last 3 or 4 years, the program has fallen hard, imo.

It has only been two years. If somehow they make it in this year that would be one year without being in the tourney. In addition, CUSA is better now than it was when Cal was at the helm. Why talk so good about him now that his is no longer at Memphis. I do not know for sure, but I bet your tone was not the same when he was there.
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(03-07-2011 03:46 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(03-07-2011 10:33 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  
(03-07-2011 10:14 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  I cant believe how hard Memphis has fallen since Calipari left. He had that program flying higher than they have ever flown before. I was just starting to like Cal again until he pulled that stunt and left the program high and dry. He's a great coach, but somehow he keeps leaving programs on probation and he gets away sneaky clean. The same thing will happen to Kentucky.

While Cal jumped to UK...he left a program with recent deep NCAA runs (obviously the NCAA took away, on paper, their Final Four run), as Memphis new head coach and former Cal Asst, Pastner, has done a great job on the recruiting trail, as Memphis brought in the #2 recruiting class in the Nation this past year (right behind Cal).

http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/c...88659#rank

While Memphis has struggled at times with so many freshmen on the court at once...Pastner continues to tear it up on the recruiting front (not many scholarships to use now obviously), by already signing another 5-star player and Top 15 national player in Adonis Thomas.

Cal left the program in 1,000% better shape when he got there (i.e. full arena, tons of top boosters on board, etc...), so while the Tigers had to build up quickly with freshmen recruits, the foundation (i.e. great support, Final 4 run, beautiful arena) was already in place...so the Tigers should be back by next season...when their freshmen grow up.

Yes, he did leave the program in better shape, once you get over the fact that the final four was vacated and the program is in trouble with the Ncaa.

The other point is that the present coach has 4 and 5 star recruits on campus right now, and he is still losing to teams that it was unthinkable for Cal to lose to in his final 3 or 4 years. At this point and time, the kid is not a good coach. A great recruiter, but not so great a coach. I do agree that he can become a great coach. But a program that was at the level that Memphis was, you dont expect a guy to get on the job training.

You do when you are a non-BCS school, even thought there is no such thing in hoops. But I do not kid myself. Memphis is in no trouble with the NCAA right now. That would be left for the likes of others; NTBM.
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(03-07-2011 08:06 PM)Tigeer Wrote:  
(03-07-2011 03:43 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(03-07-2011 12:36 PM)Tigeer Wrote:  
(03-07-2011 10:14 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  I cant believe how hard Memphis has fallen since Calipari left. He had that program flying higher than they have ever flown before.

Not completely a true statement on both accounts. Falling hard would be less than 20 wins, and Memphis had been where Cal took them before and with less animosity and more respect from others.

Maybe so, but not in such a short period of time, meaning Memphis had never had a 3 or 4 year period of winning like what Cal gave them their last 3 or 4 years. You cant deny that, and Memphis had taken a hiatus from national relevance for years before cal ressurected the program. Memphis hasnt been a regular tourney team since Cal left, and has lost to more Cusa teams this season than Cal had lost to in his last 3 or 4 years combined. Looking at where Calipari had the program in his last 3 or 4 years, the program has fallen hard, imo.

It has only been two years. If somehow they make it in this year that would be one year without being in the tourney. In addition, CUSA is better now than it was when Cal was at the helm. Why talk so good about him now that his is no longer at Memphis. I do not know for sure, but I bet your tone was not the same when he was there.

I didnt care much for calipari when he was at Memphis, and I certainly dont care much for him now. I was just starting to like the guy when he bailed the way he did. It doesnt matter whether I liked him when he was at Memphis or not. What he did at Memphis is amazing. Whether you like the guy or not, you have to give him props for what he was able to accomplish, even if there was cheating. I dont know for sure, but I dont believe that Cusa is much better now than when Cal was there, But I do know for sure that Memphis is not the same Memphis that totally, absolutly dominated Cusa from beginning to end, every year.
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RE: Bubble Discussion
(03-07-2011 03:46 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(03-07-2011 10:33 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  
(03-07-2011 10:14 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  I cant believe how hard Memphis has fallen since Calipari left. He had that program flying higher than they have ever flown before. I was just starting to like Cal again until he pulled that stunt and left the program high and dry. He's a great coach, but somehow he keeps leaving programs on probation and he gets away sneaky clean. The same thing will happen to Kentucky.

While Cal jumped to UK...he left a program with recent deep NCAA runs (obviously the NCAA took away, on paper, their Final Four run), as Memphis new head coach and former Cal Asst, Pastner, has done a great job on the recruiting trail, as Memphis brought in the #2 recruiting class in the Nation this past year (right behind Cal).

http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/c...88659#rank

While Memphis has struggled at times with so many freshmen on the court at once...Pastner continues to tear it up on the recruiting front (not many scholarships to use now obviously), by already signing another 5-star player and Top 15 national player in Adonis Thomas.

Cal left the program in 1,000% better shape when he got there (i.e. full arena, tons of top boosters on board, etc...), so while the Tigers had to build up quickly with freshmen recruits, the foundation (i.e. great support, Final 4 run, beautiful arena) was already in place...so the Tigers should be back by next season...when their freshmen grow up.

Yes, he did leave the program in better shape, once you get over the fact that the final four was vacated and the program is in trouble with the Ncaa.

The other point is that the present coach has 4 and 5 star recruits on campus right now, and he is still losing to teams that it was unthinkable for Cal to lose to in his final 3 or 4 years. At this point and time, the kid is not a good coach. A great recruiter, but not so great a coach. I do agree that he can become a great coach. But a program that was at the level that Memphis was, you dont expect a guy to get on the job training.

Remember though, Memphis "tried" to attract a big-name coach to take over for Calipari...but no one took the bait...which is how Asst Coach Pastner ended up with the job.

No clue how it will turn out for Memphis (final judgment is yet to come), but it kind of reminds me of the UF Football situation after Spurrier left...when no top coaches jump at UF AD Foley's offer...and UF ended up with some guy named Ron Zook...and UF found out after just a few years: "UF Football Coaching Position is not for those that need HC Coaching Training Experience".
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(03-07-2011 09:09 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(03-07-2011 08:06 PM)Tigeer Wrote:  
(03-07-2011 03:43 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(03-07-2011 12:36 PM)Tigeer Wrote:  
(03-07-2011 10:14 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  I cant believe how hard Memphis has fallen since Calipari left. He had that program flying higher than they have ever flown before.

Not completely a true statement on both accounts. Falling hard would be less than 20 wins, and Memphis had been where Cal took them before and with less animosity and more respect from others.

Maybe so, but not in such a short period of time, meaning Memphis had never had a 3 or 4 year period of winning like what Cal gave them their last 3 or 4 years. You cant deny that, and Memphis had taken a hiatus from national relevance for years before cal ressurected the program. Memphis hasnt been a regular tourney team since Cal left, and has lost to more Cusa teams this season than Cal had lost to in his last 3 or 4 years combined. Looking at where Calipari had the program in his last 3 or 4 years, the program has fallen hard, imo.

It has only been two years. If somehow they make it in this year that would be one year without being in the tourney. In addition, CUSA is better now than it was when Cal was at the helm. Why talk so good about him now that his is no longer at Memphis. I do not know for sure, but I bet your tone was not the same when he was there.

I didnt care much for calipari when he was at Memphis, and I certainly dont care much for him now. I was just starting to like the guy when he bailed the way he did. It doesnt matter whether I liked him when he was at Memphis or not. What he did at Memphis is amazing. Whether you like the guy or not, you have to give him props for what he was able to accomplish, even if there was cheating. I dont know for sure, but I dont believe that Cusa is much better now than when Cal was there, But I do know for sure that Memphis is not the same Memphis that totally, absolutly dominated Cusa from beginning to end, every year.

No...one never has to give props to those that cheat.

And yes, CUSA is much deeper now than it ever has been since the 2003-2004 season.
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(03-08-2011 09:30 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  
(03-07-2011 09:09 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(03-07-2011 08:06 PM)Tigeer Wrote:  
(03-07-2011 03:43 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(03-07-2011 12:36 PM)Tigeer Wrote:  Not completely a true statement on both accounts. Falling hard would be less than 20 wins, and Memphis had been where Cal took them before and with less animosity and more respect from others.

Maybe so, but not in such a short period of time, meaning Memphis had never had a 3 or 4 year period of winning like what Cal gave them their last 3 or 4 years. You cant deny that, and Memphis had taken a hiatus from national relevance for years before cal ressurected the program. Memphis hasnt been a regular tourney team since Cal left, and has lost to more Cusa teams this season than Cal had lost to in his last 3 or 4 years combined. Looking at where Calipari had the program in his last 3 or 4 years, the program has fallen hard, imo.

It has only been two years. If somehow they make it in this year that would be one year without being in the tourney. In addition, CUSA is better now than it was when Cal was at the helm. Why talk so good about him now that his is no longer at Memphis. I do not know for sure, but I bet your tone was not the same when he was there.

I didnt care much for calipari when he was at Memphis, and I certainly dont care much for him now. I was just starting to like the guy when he bailed the way he did. It doesnt matter whether I liked him when he was at Memphis or not. What he did at Memphis is amazing. Whether you like the guy or not, you have to give him props for what he was able to accomplish, even if there was cheating. I dont know for sure, but I dont believe that Cusa is much better now than when Cal was there, But I do know for sure that Memphis is not the same Memphis that totally, absolutly dominated Cusa from beginning to end, every year.

No...one never has to give props to those that cheat.

And yes, CUSA is much deeper now than it ever has been since the 2003-2004 season.

Cincy, Louisville and marquette were in the league in 2003.Cusa may very well be a little deeper, but Its nowhere near the level of 2003. Remember, Calipari was never caught cheating, (tongue in cheek) 03-lmfao
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If anyone cares I did a pretty lengthy bubble discussion over on bearcat banter and on my blog.

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(03-07-2011 09:40 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  IMO the only way Memphis makes it is if they win the CUSA tourney...

Still not so sure that is a true statement, but there you go we got in. If UTEP had won - it probably would have been UTEP and Memphis instead of Memphis and UAB. Then the hacks would have spent one and half days beating up Memphis.

Pastner has now done something Cal did and an now cannot do. Two year's the coach of the Tigers and in the tourney. The fall was not that far. And if this team stays together it will be in the discussion next year.
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And if Pastner continues to do a good job with the Tigers he'll go on to be plucked away by a program from a power conference. Such is life.
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(03-14-2011 01:03 PM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  And if Pastner continues to do a good job with the Tigers he'll go on to be plucked away by a program from a power conference. Such is life.

Then we will find someone else to carry on and, yes, such is life at Memphis.

Cal may have been plucked, but if not plucked he was going to run somewhere.
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(03-07-2011 09:40 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  IMO the only way Memphis makes it is if they win the CUSA tourney...
Still not so sure that is a true statement, but there you go we got in. If UTEP had won - it probably would have been UTEP and Memphis instead of Memphis and UAB. Then the hacks would have spent one and half days beating up Memphis.

Pastner has now done something Cal did and an now cannot do. Two year's the coach of the Tigers and in the tourney. The fall was not that far. And if this team stays together it will be in the discussion next year.
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That'll be a fun game to watch. 04-cheers
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