I haven't seen the last few games (damn you channelsurfing!) but it feels like the players have quit on Patton. Not saying it's the player's fault at all...but they were showing signs of improvement during a 5 game stretch this season (when they went 3-2), but now we are losing badly to teams we should be beating.

I guess it's hard to play for someone who will just throw you under the bus anyways at the end of the game.

I wish Patton would get fired right now so we can avoid a stick situation like Steve McClain with Wyoming in 2006.

I have a feeling it's pretty much a done deal that Patton will be gone after the season is over, but I cringe at the thought of this team getting lucky and winning the MAC tournament and Patton sticking around longer.

Sorry if that makes me a bad fan, but we all know Patton is not the answer.

(02-21-2011 09:59 PM)niuliger09 Wrote:  I haven't seen the last few games (damn you channelsurfing!) but it feels like the players have quit on Patton. Not saying it's the player's fault at all...but they were showing signs of improvement during a 5 game stretch this season (when they went 3-2), but now we are losing badly to teams we should be beating.

I guess it's hard to play for someone who will just throw you under the bus anyways at the end of the game.

I wish Patton would get fired right now so we can avoid a stick situation like Steve McClain with Wyoming in 2006.

I have a feeling it's pretty much a done deal that Patton will be gone after the season is over, but I cringe at the thought of this team getting lucky and winning the MAC tournament and Patton sticking around longer.

Sorry if that makes me a bad fan, but we all know Patton is not the answer.

nothing could be more embarrassing then us winning a game in the MAC tourney. And if lightning struck and we won it, it would be the biggest negative PR we could ever get. Lets get this fiasco over

(02-22-2011 09:15 AM)gcd Wrote:  nothing could be more embarrassing then us winning a game in the MAC tourney. And if lightning struck and we won it, it would be the biggest negative PR we could ever get. Lets get this fiasco over

Not sure what you mean here.

How would winning a game/the whole MAC tournament be negative PR?

(02-22-2011 11:33 AM)niuliger09 Wrote:  

(02-22-2011 09:15 AM)gcd Wrote:  nothing could be more embarrassing then us winning a game in the MAC tourney. And if lightning struck and we won it, it would be the biggest negative PR we could ever get. Lets get this fiasco over

Not sure what you mean here.

How would winning a game/the whole MAC tournament be negative PR?

A bad NIU team winning would be bad PR for the MAC, but not us...

(02-22-2011 11:42 AM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  

(02-22-2011 11:33 AM)niuliger09 Wrote:  

(02-22-2011 09:15 AM)gcd Wrote:  nothing could be more embarrassing then us winning a game in the MAC tourney. And if lightning struck and we won it, it would be the biggest negative PR we could ever get. Lets get this fiasco over

Not sure what you mean here.

How would winning a game/the whole MAC tournament be negative PR?

A bad NIU team winning would be bad PR for the MAC, but not us...

I'm glad we are concerned with not giving the MAC a bad name. A little too late for that IMO.

I would hope 4 years of awful basketball is evidence enough to overshadow a 4-5 game run at the end of the season. Compher is smart enough, he will do the right thing.

It just scares me. Any remote chance of Patton coming back next season is worrisome. Maybe there are money/contractual issues as to why Compher doesn't pull the plug now (maybe someone could fill me in), but from purely a basketball standpoint it makes perfect sense to can him right now.

To do so NOW would result in Compher going back on his own public words about meeting at season's end with every coach to evaluate the coaches and programs. Unless a coach has commited a major violation or behaved inappropriately and abused players, ADs are not gonna pull the plug in season. {Look to USF football in 2009 season for how reluctant admins are to remove coaches in a season.}

I remain worried the money is not in the department's vault to fire Patton and pay his salary next season while needing to pay for the salary of a new coach.

Money does talk and BS does walk when seeking to make a significant change with overlapping salaries to be paid.

(02-22-2011 12:42 PM)niuliger09 Wrote:  

(02-22-2011 11:42 AM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  

(02-22-2011 11:33 AM)niuliger09 Wrote:  

(02-22-2011 09:15 AM)gcd Wrote:  nothing could be more embarrassing then us winning a game in the MAC tourney. And if lightning struck and we won it, it would be the biggest negative PR we could ever get. Lets get this fiasco over

Not sure what you mean here.

How would winning a game/the whole MAC tournament be negative PR?

A bad NIU team winning would be bad PR for the MAC, but not us...

I'm glad we are concerned with not giving the MAC a bad name. A little too late for that IMO.

I would hope 4 years of awful basketball is evidence enough to overshadow a 4-5 game run at the end of the season. Compher is smart enough, he will do the right thing.

It just scares me. Any remote chance of Patton coming back next season is worrisome. Maybe there are money/contractual issues as to why Compher doesn't pull the plug now (maybe someone could fill me in), but from purely a basketball standpoint it makes perfect sense to can him right now.

What absolute good is there in pulling the plug on a coach 75% or more into the season. Unless there is a morality issue, you go to the end of the season and decide. I think the AD has a pretty good idea of what he will do. Firing Patton now does exactly what? Play out the string

(02-22-2011 11:33 AM)niuliger09 Wrote:  

(02-22-2011 09:15 AM)gcd Wrote:  nothing could be more embarrassing then us winning a game in the MAC tourney. And if lightning struck and we won it, it would be the biggest negative PR we could ever get. Lets get this fiasco over

Not sure what you mean here.

How would winning a game/the whole MAC tournament be negative PR?

all talk of the toruney would center around a team with a say 10 and 23 record taking the place of a team with a winning record. It just draws unwanted attention to a program that has to start over.

ironically, an article posted yesterday on Seattle beating the Globetrotters.. an interesting read

http://sportspressnw.com/2011/02/wayback...etrotters/

(02-22-2011 04:19 PM)gcd Wrote:  

(02-22-2011 11:33 AM)niuliger09 Wrote:  

(02-22-2011 09:15 AM)gcd Wrote:  nothing could be more embarrassing then us winning a game in the MAC tourney. And if lightning struck and we won it, it would be the biggest negative PR we could ever get. Lets get this fiasco over

Not sure what you mean here.

How would winning a game/the whole MAC tournament be negative PR?

all talk of the toruney would center around a team with a say 10 and 23 record taking the place of a team with a winning record. It just draws unwanted attention to a program that has to start over.

Any publicity is good publicity. NIU bball has nowhere to go but up.

If you think that winning MAC tournament games would somehow affect recruiting negatively then I don't know what to tell ya. I find it hard to believe recruits would somehow be turned off by a few lucky wins. It's not like they are oblivious to the fact that NIU has had a horrible basketball program by now and a few wins wold make them finally aware of that fact.

Morality doesn't exist in college sports. I thought ppl would be aware of that by now.

You make an argument for firing Patton now because of that chance of him getting lucky by winning the MAC tournament and sticking around another year. It has happened with other coaches in Patton's situation so it's not a ludicrous scenario.

It gives Compher a few weeks head start to start looking for his replacement and maybe be ready to announce a new staff as soon as the season is over so they can start right away. That's a very reasonable scenario.

(02-22-2011 04:17 PM)gcd Wrote:  

(02-22-2011 12:42 PM)niuliger09 Wrote:  

(02-22-2011 11:42 AM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  

(02-22-2011 11:33 AM)niuliger09 Wrote:  

(02-22-2011 09:15 AM)gcd Wrote:  nothing could be more embarrassing then us winning a game in the MAC tourney. And if lightning struck and we won it, it would be the biggest negative PR we could ever get. Lets get this fiasco over

Not sure what you mean here.

How would winning a game/the whole MAC tournament be negative PR?

A bad NIU team winning would be bad PR for the MAC, but not us...

I'm glad we are concerned with not giving the MAC a bad name. A little too late for that IMO.

I would hope 4 years of awful basketball is evidence enough to overshadow a 4-5 game run at the end of the season. Compher is smart enough, he will do the right thing.

It just scares me. Any remote chance of Patton coming back next season is worrisome. Maybe there are money/contractual issues as to why Compher doesn't pull the plug now (maybe someone could fill me in), but from purely a basketball standpoint it makes perfect sense to can him right now.

What absolute good is there in pulling the plug on a coach 75% or more into the season. Unless there is a morality issue, you go to the end of the season and decide. I think the AD has a pretty good idea of what he will do. Firing Patton now does exactly what? Play out the string

I concurr.

RE: the chatter by a few regarding a run by NIU in MAC tourney.

What part of sugar plums and fairies did they fail to learn with aging?

Please !