It seats 19,591. Location can't be beat.

(02-19-2011 04:28 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(02-19-2011 10:02 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Nope, it's a PERFECT venue for basketball in all ways, size included.

How many seats?

19,763. That's a lot of seats, and yet there isn't a bad seat in the house, really.

I agee that's big enough.

(02-19-2011 04:35 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  19,763

It's a pity that's not a prime number...

MSG has a great location. However, its an old building and needs an overhual, but new York City is almost bankrupt so it will not happen soon! It is past its "Prime", no pun ententant, Bit.

(02-19-2011 05:06 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  MSG has a great location. However, its an old building and needs an overall, but new York City is almost bankrupt so it will not happen soon! It is past its "Prime", no pun ententant, Bit.

They are beginning renovations in the next year.

At the same time tho, you can't really make it any bigger than about 20K seats.

(02-19-2011 05:06 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  MSG has a great location. However, its an old building and needs an overhual, but new York City is almost bankrupt so it will not happen soon! It is past its "Prime", no pun ententant, Bit.

I thought MSG was renovated like in the last 10-15 years.

(02-19-2011 05:59 PM)General Mike Wrote:  

(02-19-2011 05:06 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  MSG has a great location. However, its an old building and needs an overall, but new York City is almost bankrupt so it will not happen soon! It is past its "Prime", no pun ententant, Bit.

They are beginning renovations in the next year.

At the same time tho, you can't really make it any bigger than about 20K seats.

I was gonna' say...MSG is paying the bills for this renovation all by its lonesome and isn't flinching, so someone (MSG) has the cash to do so.

I was actually thinking of making an attempt at getting on with Turner Construction and pitching in on that makeover for the next few summers, if nothing else.

I think MSG got renovated around 89 or so. Or so I recall...

(02-19-2011 08:05 PM)AllPtsBulletin Wrote:  

(02-19-2011 05:59 PM)General Mike Wrote:  

(02-19-2011 05:06 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  MSG has a great location. However, its an old building and needs an overall, but new York City is almost bankrupt so it will not happen soon! It is past its "Prime", no pun ententant, Bit.

They are beginning renovations in the next year.

At the same time tho, you can't really make it any bigger than about 20K seats.

I was gonna' say...MSG is paying the bills for this renovation all by its lonesome and isn't flinching, so someone (MSG) has the cash to do so.

I was actually thinking of making an attempt at getting on with Turner Construction and pitching in on that makeover for the next few summers, if nothing else.

I think MSG got renovated around 89 or so. Or so I recall...

The City might be broke but the Dolans who own the joint aren't. Hence renovations are going to be underway.

(02-19-2011 11:19 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  I always tought this is how ACC made thier money,
donor levels to buy tickets are skyhi

ACC tournament tickets are distributed through the schools booster clubs.
At Carolina it takes cumulative six figure contributions to The Educational Foundation (Ram's Club) to qualify to purchase ACC tournament tickets.
Even with a seating capacity of 23,500 in Greensboro each of the 12 ACC schools only get about 1,950 tickets to distribute to their donors. There is no public sale of ACC tournament tickets.

(02-20-2011 02:34 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(02-19-2011 11:19 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  I always tought this is how ACC made thier money,
donor levels to buy tickets are skyhi

ACC tournament tickets are distributed through the schools booster clubs.
At Carolina it takes cumulative six figure contributions to The Educational Foundation (Ram's Club) to qualify to purchase ACC tournament tickets.
Even with a seating capacity of 23,500 in Greensboro each of the 12 ACC schools only get about 1,950 tickets to distribute to their donors. There is no public sale of ACC tournament tickets.

And despite this, every year recently thousands of fans have dressed up as empty seats.

(02-20-2011 03:55 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(02-20-2011 02:34 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(02-19-2011 11:19 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  I always tought this is how ACC made thier money,
donor levels to buy tickets are skyhi

ACC tournament tickets are distributed through the schools booster clubs.
At Carolina it takes cumulative six figure contributions to The Educational Foundation (Ram's Club) to qualify to purchase ACC tournament tickets.
Even with a seating capacity of 23,500 in Greensboro each of the 12 ACC schools only get about 1,950 tickets to distribute to their donors. There is no public sale of ACC tournament tickets.

And despite this, every year recently thousands of fans have dressed up as empty seats.

Yep! that was a problem last year when the donors that held the tickets decided not to make the trip to Greensboro. That left many folks looking for tickets outside of the Coliseum with no way to get into the building.

(02-20-2011 03:55 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(02-20-2011 02:34 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(02-19-2011 11:19 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  I always tought this is how ACC made thier money,
donor levels to buy tickets are skyhi

ACC tournament tickets are distributed through the schools booster clubs.
At Carolina it takes cumulative six figure contributions to The Educational Foundation (Ram's Club) to qualify to purchase ACC tournament tickets.
Even with a seating capacity of 23,500 in Greensboro each of the 12 ACC schools only get about 1,950 tickets to distribute to their donors. There is no public sale of ACC tournament tickets.

And despite this, every year recently thousands of fans have dressed up as empty seats.

you and xlance have just combined to give me a new facebook status, which will serve the purpose of pissing off my ACC friends. Congrats

I think it is a good size for events. They are spending between $775 million and $850 million for renovations over 3 summers. Kind of expensive in my books but I guess they can afford it. Its probably one of the most popular arena in terms of events in the country.

It also has the history and the hype that goes with playing the tournament in Madison Square Gardens. In my opinion it is the best location of all the post-season tournaments for all the conferences.

(02-20-2011 09:05 PM)tj_2009 Wrote:  I think it is a good size for events. They are spending between $775 million and $850 million for renovations over 3 summers. Kind of expensive in my books but I guess they can afford it. Its probably one of the most popular arena in terms of events in the country.

It also has the history and the hype that goes with playing the tournament in Madison Square Gardens. In my opinion it is the best location of all the post-season tournaments for all the conferences.

Have to agree with expensive but also its private money and private money alone so its the Dolan's prerogative.

Any ideas on what type of improvements they are making with that $800 million?

(02-20-2011 10:15 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  Any ideas on what type of improvements they are making with that $800 million?

Madison Square Garden's $850 million second renovation will take place mainly over three offseasons. The more significant portion of it was set to begin after the 2009-10 hockey/basketball seasons, but was delayed until after the 2010-11 seasons. New features include a larger entrance that will include interactive kiosks, retail, climate controlled space, and broadcast studio; larger concourses; new lighting and LED video systems with HDTV; new seating; two new pedestrian walkways suspended from the ceiling to allow fans to look directly down onto the games being played below; more dining options; and improved dressing rooms, locker rooms, green rooms, and production offices, among other upgrades. The new lower bowl is currently expected to be ready for the 2011–2012 seasons, the new upper bowl for the 2012–2013 seasons. Renovation will be done in phases with the majority done in the summer months to minimize disruptions and will remain operational throughout the NHL and NBA seasons.

(02-19-2011 11:51 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-19-2011 11:13 AM)ohio1317 Wrote:  As a side note, does anyone hate the use of the word "championship" instead of "tournament" (several conferences now using this). To me, the regular season winner is the conference champion. The tournament is a separate event and shouldn't be thought of as anyone's "championship." Just one pet peeve of mine.

Maybe you have this perspective because you follow a Big 10 school, and in the Big 10, the tournament is a recent thing whereas historically the regular season champ has been the more prestigious title, regarded as your true champion?

It's the exact opposite in the Big East: Like the ACC, we regard our conference tournament winner as clearly more prestigious than the regular season winner, it's the bigger prize, and the tournament winner is thus considered to be the true Big East champion.

To a Big East team, the rank-order of desirable results for a season are:

1) National champ
2) Regional champ (Final 4)
3) Big East Tournament Champ
4) Big East regular season champ

In the ACC every sport since the beginning of the conference has been decided by a championship tournament. The winner of the season ending tournament is the conference champion. There is really no official designation of "regular season champion" in the ACC.

(02-19-2011 02:03 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  I know I'm in a deep minority in that position. In the end though, I guess a lot goes to my thoughts on the regular season vs. postseason. If you win the regular season title, it always feels to me like you really, really earned it. One and done tournaments though, especially with so many teams, it feels more like equal parts skill and luck. In 1999 Ohio State made the Final Four (vacated now, but it still happened) and was 2nd in the Big Ten. Last year we lost in the Sweet 16, but won the Big Ten (tied, but it's still a title). I look at the results and I just can't say that 1999 was a better year just because Ohio State won their Sweet 16 (and then Elite 8) game.

Well, I don't agree that a regular season conference championship is worth more than a Final Four. That's ultimately the goal of every team in America. Arguably, the Bears had a better pverall season than the Packers since the former won the NFC North, but simply making the Super Bowl (much less winning it) does ultimately mean that the Packers had a more successful season since how you finish should matter more. I do value a regular season Big Ten championship much more than winning the Big Ten tournament (and virtually all Big Ten fans would agree). I'm sure part of that is historical since the ACC and Big East tournaments have been around much longer. I'd rank them:

(1) National Championship
(2) Final Four
(3) Big Ten regular season championship
(4) Elite Eight
(5) Sweet Sixteen
(6) Big Ten tournament championship

ACC and Big East fans would probably switch the regular season and tournament championship positions.

Interesting to note that the world's most valuable pro sports league, the English Premier League, doesn't have any type of playoffs. Their champ is crowned strictly based on the overall regular season record. Now, the flip side is the bottom teams get bumped down to the equivalent of the minor leagues (and top second tier teams get moved up).