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Its a 2 for 1 deal that helps ND reach their 7 home game goal.
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(02-17-2011 04:11 PM)TerryD Wrote:  I have seen some folks reference a 4-4-4 scheduling model. That means:

--4 "Tier 1" schools like USC, Michigan, Oklahoma, Alabama, LSU, Penn State, etc...

--4 "Tier 2" schools like Purdue, Boston College, Pitt, Stanford, etc...

--4 "Tier 3" schools like Duke, Navy, Vandy, SMU, Tulsa, Army, etc....

IMO, that's still too brutal. a 2-5-5 schedule would be more reasonable. Something say like this:

Tier I: Michigan, USC
Tier II: Michigan St, Purdue, BC, Pitt, Stanford
Tier III: Navy, Duke, Vandy, Army, Tulsa
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The 2014 game replaces the Army game in Orlando Florida leaving a hole in Army's schedule for that year. It also puts ND on the east coast twice with another game against Syracuse at Giants Stadium. Any one know why the Army game in Orlando was cancelled. At any rate this is great for Temple and will sell out the Linc for them at least once that year. With OOC home games against Navy, Notre Dame, and Maryland in 2014, Temple may average around 29k for home attendance that year.
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Answer to my question above is that ND cancelled the Orlando game at the Citrus Bowl because of their failure to make the necessary improvements to the stadium with the current economic down turn in this country which hit the Florida region pretty hard. The Maryland game versus Notre Dame scheduled for 2011 was also supposed to be played in the Citrus Bowl but was moved to Fed Ex field in Landover MD for the same reason. Also read that the UConn series is in the process of being cancelled too. What's the word on that situation UConn fans.
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(02-18-2011 01:50 AM)panite Wrote:  What's the word on that situation UConn fans.

Can a series be cancelled if it was never contracted or announced?
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RE: OT--ND/Temple 3 game series
Temple beat Navy last year and the next week Navy beat ND...

Uconn beat Temple in 2009 and ND... But Temple beat Uconn in 2010 and Uconn won the Big East..

Seems to me Temple and Notre Dame are fielding very simmiliar teams....

Temple now has scheduled over the next four years

Notre Dame 1-1 with a TBD location for the third game
PSU 2-1
Rutgers 2-2
Uconn 2-2
Maryland 2-2
Army 2-2
Navy 2-2
Villanova... all at the linc

Discussions with Pitt.... hmmmmm Rutgers, Uconn, Notre Dame, Pitt, villanova... all getting friendly with Temple.


Temple hired 6 Florida Gator coaches to their staff... and an NFL D-line coach to coach the D-line.
Doubling the size of their practice facility and adding additional field with a bubble.
The University is spedning 1.2 Billion over the next 10 years on construction... plus private development on and around campus.
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Just about every team has speed now. It's not like it used to be.
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Nice Article in the philly papers today...

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/coll..._fans.html
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(02-17-2011 11:38 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  who needs the BE with PSU,ND,Army,Navy,Rutgers,Villanova coming to town

04-jawdrop Then the BE should tell Notre Dame to play the rest of their sports with those teams! Playing Temple versus a Big East school ia rubbing it in the face of Big East schools! 05-stirthepot
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(02-18-2011 11:53 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  
(02-17-2011 11:38 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  who needs the BE with PSU,ND,Army,Navy,Rutgers,Villanova coming to town

04-jawdrop Then the BE should tell Notre Dame to play the rest of their sports with those teams! Playing Temple versus a Big East school ia rubbing it in the face of Big East schools! 05-stirthepot

How many BE schools are willing to do a 2-for-1 deal with ND in the manner that Temple has? It's not an apples-to-apples comparison. ND has leverage - tons of schools outside of the Big Ten and SEC are willing to play according to their terms. If Maryland is willing to give ND a 1-and-done game in Landover where ND is the home team for ticket sales and TV purposes, and Miami is giving ND the equivalent of a 2-for-1 (1 game in South Bend, 1 game in Miami and 1 game in Chicago that's considered to be an ND home game), then what hope do the BE schools outside of Pitt (who ND has a longstanding relationship with) have if they're not willing to bend? I'm not saying that the BE schools SHOULD be bending over for ND, but the fact of the matter is that ND can find plenty of schools willing to play them at Yankee Stadium, the Meadowlands, Philly, DC, Boston, etc. If a BE school such as UConn or Rutgers passes up on that opportunity, then they have little to complain about if ND schedules someone else in their own backyards.
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(02-18-2011 12:11 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  How many BE schools are willing to do a 2-for-1 deal with ND in the manner that Temple has?

USF was willing to do a one-and-done. I'd love for us to do a two-for-one with ND too.

Quote: It's not an apples-to-apples comparison. ND has leverage - tons of schools outside of the Big Ten and SEC are willing to play according to their terms. If Maryland is willing to give ND a 1-and-done game in Landover where ND is the home team for ticket sales and TV purposes, and Miami is giving ND the equivalent of a 2-for-1 (1 game in South Bend, 1 game in Miami and 1 game in Chicago that's considered to be an ND home game), then what hope do the BE schools outside of Pitt (who ND has a longstanding relationship with) have if they're not willing to bend? I'm not saying that the BE schools SHOULD be bending over for ND, but the fact of the matter is that ND can find plenty of schools willing to play them at Yankee Stadium, the Meadowlands, Philly, DC, Boston, etc. If a BE school such as UConn or Rutgers passes up on that opportunity, then they have little to complain about if ND schedules someone else in their own backyards.

Excellent point. If the likes of Maryland and Miami are willing to do one-and-done or 2/1 with Notre Dame, then Big East teams have no grounds to claim that Notre Dame is treating us like non-AQ schools, a common complaint around here.
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Notre Dame offered to play Rutgers and UConn at Giants Stadium and Gillette, respectively.

It is perfectly within those schools' rights to say "No, thanks." They did so.

However, it should be remembered that ND offered to play Rutgers and UConn there first.

ND is going to play someone in those venues. They are going to play games in NFL stadiums in Northeastern and Mid-Atlantic cities. That is guaranteed.

After saying no, I don't see how Rutgers and UConn can complain that ND is scheduling games with some other schools at those locations (and others, like in Philly).
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What i find ironic about some complaining about ND is the hypocrisy. E.g., it would be silly for USF fans like myself to complain about Notre Dame offering us only a one-and-done without reciprocity, when we have no problem doing the same thing with schools like Charleston Southern. That's why i haven't complained about it.

Let's face it: There is a pecking-order in college football, some teams have more power/leverage/prestige than others. If your school isn't willing to behave as equals to those below you in the pecking order, you shouldn't complain when those above you don't treat you as an equal either ...
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(02-18-2011 12:11 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(02-18-2011 11:53 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  
(02-17-2011 11:38 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  who needs the BE with PSU,ND,Army,Navy,Rutgers,Villanova coming to town

04-jawdrop Then the BE should tell Notre Dame to play the rest of their sports with those teams! Playing Temple versus a Big East school ia rubbing it in the face of Big East schools! 05-stirthepot

How many BE schools are willing to do a 2-for-1 deal with ND in the manner that Temple has? It's not an apples-to-apples comparison. ND has leverage - tons of schools outside of the Big Ten and SEC are willing to play according to their terms. If Maryland is willing to give ND a 1-and-done game in Landover where ND is the home team for ticket sales and TV purposes, and Miami is giving ND the equivalent of a 2-for-1 (1 game in South Bend, 1 game in Miami and 1 game in Chicago that's considered to be an ND home game), then what hope do the BE schools outside of Pitt (who ND has a longstanding relationship with) have if they're not willing to bend? I'm not saying that the BE schools SHOULD be bending over for ND, but the fact of the matter is that ND can find plenty of schools willing to play them at Yankee Stadium, the Meadowlands, Philly, DC, Boston, etc. If a BE school such as UConn or Rutgers passes up on that opportunity, then they have little to complain about if ND schedules someone else in their own backyards.

Notre Dame should be doing 1 for 1 with each with three different Big East programs, rotating equal through the Big East membership. Notre Dame still has 9 games to schedule who ever they want to. If, Temple is then one of those remaining 9 games, no problem. 04-cheers
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(02-18-2011 12:45 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  What i find ironic about some complaining about ND is the hypocrisy. E.g., it would be silly for USF fans like myself to complain about Notre Dame offering us only a one-and-done without reciprocity, when we have no problem doing the same thing with schools like Charleston Southern. That's why i haven't complained about it.

Let's face it: There is a pecking-order in college football, some teams have more power/leverage/prestige than others. If your school isn't willing to behave as equals to those below you in the pecking order, you shouldn't complain when those above you don't treat you as an equal either ...

Louisville played away games at Middle Tenn and Arkansas State in recent years.
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I can complain all I want. If Notre Dame wants to act like the big independent, then I say let them be truly INDEPENDENT. We've given them an excellent home for all their minor sports, and ND benefits greatly from this association. That SHOULD entitle us to some beneficial treatment by the Irish. But on one hand ND continues to strong arm us like they do the rest of the nation, while using the other arm to hold us and tell us what a good conference mate they are...

Frankly, I think we should break one arm or the other. I figure the majority of you guys know which arm I'd choose...

I'd also favor a split immediately afterward. So we could setup a true all sports conference, and develop the kind of traditions between the member schools that every other conference that is more stable than us has. Those conferences don't have different rivals for every sport that comes down the pike, like we do. The rivals are exactly the same in every single sport they play. As long as we remain in this hybrid, that's always going to be the case...

But we've gone over all this ad infinitum, and everybody has a different opinion. We've reached a consensus, and that is everybody pulling away from the center. Which direction we pull is of little concern...
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Since this thread is about football scheduling, and neither Notre Dame or Temple are in the Big East for football; who cares? You may as well move this thread to the Lounge.
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(02-18-2011 01:50 PM)texasorange Wrote:  Since this thread is about football scheduling, and neither Notre Dame or Temple are in the Big East for football; who cares? You may as well move this thread to the Lounge.

OT means off topic. If it doesn't interest you, then the easy solution is to just not read an off topic thread. It's not that difficult.
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(02-18-2011 01:50 PM)texasorange Wrote:  Since this thread is about football scheduling, and neither Notre Dame or Temple are in the Big East for football; who cares? You may as well move this thread to the Lounge.
No. It's relevant. The fact that I dislike the subject is of little concern...
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(02-18-2011 12:43 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Notre Dame offered to play Rutgers and UConn at Giants Stadium and Gillette, respectively.

It is perfectly within those schools' rights to say "No, thanks." They did so.

However, it should be remembered that ND offered to play Rutgers and UConn there first.

ND is going to play someone in those venues. They are going to play games in NFL stadiums in Northeastern and Mid-Atlantic cities. That is guaranteed.

After saying no, I don't see how Rutgers and UConn can complain that ND is scheduling games with some other schools at those locations (and others, like in Philly).

Terry, its not so much that these folks are upset that ND is playing other teams in the backyard of BE teams. Its that these BE fans feel that since ND is a "partner" in the BE and plays every other BE sport as a BE member except fb, and so special consideration should be considered for its "partners" on the gridiron for being allowed by its "partners" to park its other sports in such a prestigious conference. I agree with them to a point that BE members should not be treated by ND as any other team in that respect. But I dont get upset about it because our university presidents are the ones who decided allow such a relationship with ND. They obviously continue to allow such a relationship because they see some mutual benefits that are not obviously clear to us fans. If its good enough for the leaders of my school, then its good enough for me.
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