Quote:What don't you get????????

You don't get that the last 8 years should be evaluated at more than a macro level.

You don't get the fact that "OUR" team is poorly coached.

You don't get the fact that every time we play Belmont we are at a distinct disadvantage from a coaching standpoint even though we routinely enjoy an advantage from a talent standpoint.

You don't get that a season in which you finish barely above .500 and back into a tournament championship is nothing to brag about.

You don't get that the conference record of our best teams have steadily decreased as the years have gone on.

You don't get that our margin of defeat in the NCAA tournament has steadily increased.

You don't get that losing to teams with RPI's in the 300s is not just embarrassing, its not just sad, it is routine.

You don't get that our "success" is attributed as much to our level of competition as anything else.

You don't get that being crowned "A-Sun Champion" is akin to being crowned the smarted kid in remedial math.

You don't get that a 20 win season doesn't mean as much as it use to and bragging about getting to 20 wins while racking up double digit losses makes us look idiotic.

You don't get that less and less people care about ETSU basketball.

You don't get that making the NCAA tournament is the first goal not the last goal.

You don't get that Murry Bartow has lowered the expectations of Buc fans.

Lastly, you don't get that Murry Bartow is a BAD (not good, not fair, not average) basketball coach.

Hard to argue with "facts" like these. Your central theme seems to be: "I'm pissed off because ETSU doesn't have football and isn't in the SoCon anymore." Gee, never heard that one before on this board. That's the default gripe about everything.

(02-18-2011 05:49 PM)George Bailey Wrote:  

Quote:What don't you get????????

You don't get that the last 8 years should be evaluated at more than a macro level.

You don't get the fact that "OUR" team is poorly coached.

You don't get the fact that every time we play Belmont we are at a distinct disadvantage from a coaching standpoint even though we routinely enjoy an advantage from a talent standpoint.

You don't get that a season in which you finish barely above .500 and back into a tournament championship is nothing to brag about.

You don't get that the conference record of our best teams have steadily decreased as the years have gone on.

You don't get that our margin of defeat in the NCAA tournament has steadily increased.

You don't get that losing to teams with RPI's in the 300s is not just embarrassing, its not just sad, it is routine.

You don't get that our "success" is attributed as much to our level of competition as anything else.

You don't get that being crowned "A-Sun Champion" is akin to being crowned the smarted kid in remedial math.

You don't get that a 20 win season doesn't mean as much as it use to and bragging about getting to 20 wins while racking up double digit losses makes us look idiotic.

You don't get that less and less people care about ETSU basketball.

You don't get that making the NCAA tournament is the first goal not the last goal.

You don't get that Murry Bartow has lowered the expectations of Buc fans.

Lastly, you don't get that Murry Bartow is a BAD (not good, not fair, not average) basketball coach.

Hard to argue with "facts" like these. Your central theme seems to be: "I'm pissed off because ETSU doesn't have football and isn't in the SoCon anymore." Gee, never heard that one before on this board. That's the default gripe about everything.

He listed 14 points very clearly. no where did he mention football, care to explain your lack of reading comprehension?
Oh wait then you would have to address what he really is saying.

To "George Bailey" --

I consider myself (others might disagree) one of the more level-headed posters on this board. I've attended probably about 85-90% of the ETSU home games since about 1959 or 1960. I've been through all the ups and downs in all those years, through all those coaches.

BucNut22 makes some of the same points I would have, had he not posted first. What really irks us here is that this program has been, and should be, so much more than it currently is. I certainly think bartow has recruited (for the most part) very good student-athletes, and that is a strong credit to him. I personally think he's "wasted" some student-athletes, but since I'm not totally privy to behind-the-scenes machinations, I don't know that beyond a shadow of a doubt. That being said, he is woeful as a bench coach, and I think one has to watch it happen week in and week out, month in and month out, season in and season out, year in and year out to fully appreciate how bad it is. I'm sure you've probably seen a few games on TV, and maybe some in person, but unless you've seen how consistently he's blown games over the years; unless you've watched the absolute debacle (nothing short of that) in losing at home in the conference tournament to Garder-Webb after being up 17(?) in the second half, and completely botching a G-W inbounds play to lose the game; or unless you've watched bartow pig-headedly stay in a zone while Belmont bombed away in a different year's conference tournament championship game, then you can't fully appreciate his shortcomings. Add to that his disrespect for the fans with his comments, his *lack* of explanation about not playing individuals after saying he "needs" to find minutes for them, his inability in over 7 years to develop simple in-bounds plays, and his way-too-oft-repeated "coach-speak" reasons about how hard it is to win on the road (we know that), and you have a lack of respect from many of us fans. (There's more I could say, but I'll leave it at that......)

To answer one of your questions, "no", it's NOT sufficient to win the ASun tournament, only to get a #16 seed in the NCAA tournament. We've tasted more than that, and we feel we should "rightfully" have at least a chance at that again. It's great to make the dance; it really is; but it shouldn't have to be with a fatalistic realization that there's probably a very small chance of ever winning a game as a #16 seed. As bartow himself has acknowledged, there's a world of difference between a 16 and a 14, or even a 15. Our big point, really, is that. Even if we thought bartow was a bad bench coach, but he got us a 13-14 seed some years by virtue of either being in a better, stronger conference; by not losing to USC-Upstate and Stetson; or by winning more OOC games against strong competition early in the year, we'd be *much* more content.

Differing from some on this board, I respect your opinions, but must note that you clearly haven't watched enough games in person to fully appreciate what's lacking in bartow's repertoire.

This is open to interpretation, but I take 6-7 of the points to be about the A-Sun. And since the Bucs are in the A-Sun because they don't have football, I take it to mean the writer is pissed about the lack of football.

If my interpretation is wrong, so be it. And by the way, the writer is perfectly within his rights to be pissed about lack of football. I would like to see ETSU with a football team myself. But I try not to let that color my view of the basketball program. In my view, they are separate entities.

The other points are simply someone's opinion, with pretty much no facts to back them up. Again, that's fine; forums like these are for opinions mostly.

Perhaps we've run the "Rod v. George" thing into the ground, so I will throw out a few thoughts about the Belmont game itself:

On a positive note, I think the Bucs pretty much have figured out how to guard the Bruins. RunningFool, I think, posited that ETSU needed to play a very basic man defense, with little or no help, and I think he was right on target. I listened to the game on the radio, so I have to visualize the Bucs defense, but it sounds like they pretty much followed Fool's formula.

Here is the negative, as I see it: I agree with many posters that MuBar needs to do a better job of developing and using his bench. I don't think we necessarily have to play 11-12 guys the way Byrd does. The total number of guys Belmont plays is not the key stat, in my view. The big one, I think, is that Byrd played nine guys for double-figure minutes, while ETSU played only six for double-figure minutes. I think that's why we wore down.

How could we have won the game? Here is my guess: Reduce Adam's minutes to about 30 and the same for Tubbs. Give those minutes to Cooley, and that gives him about 11-12 minutes of PT. Take Mike, Micah, and Isiah and reduce all of their minutes to about 34. That gives you about 13 minutes or so to give to Lukas Poderis.

If you do this, along with the minutes J.C. Ward got, the Bucs have eight guys playing double-figure minutes, and I suspect we would have been stronger at the end of the game.

In a perfect world, I would like to see Curtis Wilkinson get 6-8 minutes, too. I, of course, don't see the players every day in practice, and if the coaches feel Curtis is too ragged to help much against Belmont, well, maybe they are right.

But I don't see any reason not to play Poderis some, and play Cooley more, getting much needed rest for our core guys.

I've played a little hoops in my day, and Belmont looks like the kind of team that is both mentally and physically taxing to play. I suspect our mental and physical fatigue largely explains the Belmont rebounding edge in the second half.

The Bucs can beat Belmont, and I think the players and coaches know it. But I don't think they can do it without getting double-figure minutes for at least eight guys. Why MuBar didn't do that last night, I don't know.

(02-18-2011 05:49 PM)George Bailey Wrote:  

Quote:What don't you get????????

You don't get that the last 8 years should be evaluated at more than a macro level.

You don't get the fact that "OUR" team is poorly coached.

You don't get the fact that every time we play Belmont we are at a distinct disadvantage from a coaching standpoint even though we routinely enjoy an advantage from a talent standpoint.

You don't get that a season in which you finish barely above .500 and back into a tournament championship is nothing to brag about.

You don't get that the conference record of our best teams have steadily decreased as the years have gone on.

You don't get that our margin of defeat in the NCAA tournament has steadily increased.

You don't get that losing to teams with RPI's in the 300s is not just embarrassing, its not just sad, it is routine.

You don't get that our "success" is attributed as much to our level of competition as anything else.

You don't get that being crowned "A-Sun Champion" is akin to being crowned the smarted kid in remedial math.

You don't get that a 20 win season doesn't mean as much as it use to and bragging about getting to 20 wins while racking up double digit losses makes us look idiotic.

You don't get that less and less people care about ETSU basketball.

You don't get that making the NCAA tournament is the first goal not the last goal.

You don't get that Murry Bartow has lowered the expectations of Buc fans.

Lastly, you don't get that Murry Bartow is a BAD (not good, not fair, not average) basketball coach.

Hard to argue with "facts" like these. Your central theme seems to be: "I'm pissed off because ETSU doesn't have football and isn't in the SoCon anymore." Gee, never heard that one before on this board. That's the default gripe about everything.

George, the richest man in town, Bailey -
They call me a troll because I, like you, come on here and try to be a voice a reason, when a few disrespectful posters just spew the same venom over and over.
Sorry you are getting lumped in with me, but I have been down the "baby boy" road and got nowhere.
I pull for ETSU 100% of the time, but yet am a troll because I'm not a hater. I go away for periods of time and resist getting into these arguments and just read and move on. I even asked Rod if he new Murry, of course not... And didn't want to..
I try to parallel the sucess of UAB and ETSU with some of their history and how the landscape has changed. Stating that it will take a near miracle to find "sleeper" NBA level talent on the same team like the early 90s bucs.. I really believe these posters got such a high off of the national attention that nothing else will ever satisfy... I believe Murry's focus is making the tourney and then having a magical run winning a game or two, which will gain that national attention.. I don't know, but that is probably the most logical way of getting where everyone wants to be..(unless you want to cheat and buy guys etc..)
Even if that happened, ala Davidson, who's talking about Davidson now.. I try to be a voice of reason and quell the hate and then I'm just a troll.. Nevermind the good kids, the respected program, conf. championships, ncaa apprearances etc...
I have to believe that these are just a few and not the many, but it still does get under my skin and bit when I see some of this stuff going on about a someone I personally know and genuinely like..
btw - there is a good chance if he wasn't gene's son he would still be at UAB... I don't think the current coach runs near as good of program as Murry, and he makes double or more what murry ever did and donesn't get near the criticsim.. I don't have a famous father but it seems to be a curse as well as blessing at times... The "lucky sperm" card is easy to play and BS most of the time!!

Poster:

I appreciate the tone of your comments. But I should point out one thing: You are right that I have limited experience watching ETSU in the Bartow era. I think I've seen every televised game, plus the games at Auburn, UAB, and Chattanooga.

For six years at UAB, however, I watched every single home game that MuBar coached. And here's the funny thing: Even Murry's harshest UAB critics usually do not knock his bench coaching. The main critique he got in Bham was that he recruited a few bad eggs, and the players didn't always seem to respond to him.

I've followed college hoops at a high level for 30-plus years, and I don't recall a single game that Murry blew because of bench coaching at UAB. I recall several where his players didn't seem to show and he wasn't able to get them going. I recall a bunch where UAB was playing short handed due to injuries. And most of the losses were in situations where UAB lost to a better team.

Not saying your assessment of the time period at ETSU is wrong. But I'm giving you a feel for what I saw in six years at UAB. And I've seen a whole lot of college basketball, live and in person.

I've seen numerous folks on this board say that MuBar is a bad bench coach, and I always think: "That's strange because it definitely is not the perception of him in Bham, even among those who are glad he is gone."

Glory:

Glad to pitch in. I appreciate your comments, and I definitely believe one can be both an ETSU and UAB fan. Both are good programs, with a lot to be proud of.

Like you, I think UAB would be better off if Murry had never been canned. Mike Anderson did well on the court, but the team still is struggling with academic issues that apparently started on his watch. As for Mike Davis, I don't think he really wants to be at UAB, or even cares about the school.

I am glad, though, to see Murry at ETSU. I don't think he ever was going to catch a break at UAB. As you wisely point out, that "lucky sperm club" thing can have a dark flip side to it.

Murry's tenure at ETSU, I think, has been colored by the loss of football and move out of SoCon. I think that's too bad.

My wish list?

* Football returns to ETSU

* Bucs join the Sun Belt and go D-1 in football. (I say, screw the SoCon. If you are going to do football, go all the way and start a big-time rivalry with folks like MTSU and Western Kentucky and Troy.)

* Bucs build a new basketball-only arena, seating maybe 6,000.

* Murry retires at ETSU, and the Bucs make regular trips to NCAA, with a few advances to the second and/or third rounds.

(02-18-2011 06:51 PM)George Bailey Wrote:  I've seen numerous folks on this board say that MuBar is a bad bench coach, and I always think: "That's strange because it definitely is not the perception of him in Bham, even among those who are glad he is gone."

You obviously haven't seen the UAB boards on this website have you?

You aren't the only UAB fan to come here and knock him as a recruiter, one thing he has done a good job of at ETSU but claimed he was a good bench coach. That is not something we have seen at ETSU, he has been awful at X's and O's, and that is not just me speaking that is just about every fan on here. Like Mister mentioned in the other thread, ETSU has litte semblence of an offensive set, if they aren't pushing it they are standing around until somebody has to shoot because of the shot clock. Also I to have heard him say that he sometimes has just given the team their head, rolled the ball out and let them create the last two years of Tim Smith and then the Pigram and Tiggs era were perfect examples of this "offensive set".
For some reason he seems to be 180 degrees from the coach some UAB fans remember.

(02-18-2011 06:59 PM)George Bailey Wrote:  Glory:

Glad to pitch in. I appreciate your comments, and I definitely believe one can be both an ETSU and UAB fan. Both are good programs, with a lot to be proud of.

Like you, I think UAB would be better off if Murry had never been canned. Mike Anderson did well on the court, but the team still is struggling with academic issues that apparently started on his watch. As for Mike Davis, I don't think he really wants to be at UAB, or even cares about the school.

I am glad, though, to see Murry at ETSU. I don't think he ever was going to catch a break at UAB. As you wisely point out, that "lucky sperm club" thing can have a dark flip side to it.

Murry's tenure at ETSU, I think, has been colored by the loss of football and move out of SoCon. I think that's too bad.

My wish list?

* Football returns to ETSU

* Bucs join the Sun Belt and go D-1 in football. (I say, screw the SoCon. If you are going to do football, go all the way and start a big-time rivalry with folks like MTSU and Western Kentucky and Troy.)

* Bucs build a new basketball-only arena, seating maybe 6,000.

* Murry retires at ETSU, and the Bucs make regular trips to NCAA, with a few advances to the second and/or third rounds.

Now George... this is a good post...although I don't agree about being double minded...even though most ETSU fans are also Vols. I think it's part of culture here...in the genes...orange blood. My brother has it...tried to give it to me, put pressure on me, made me stay on campus with him...but when I saw ETSU...it took my heart and has had it since 1974. Nothing is better than being a Buc and I don't know how to root for two schools. Shoot...if ETSU played my graduate school WKU...I'm not double minded. George...you are a better man than me to root for both UAB and ETSU. I can't do it. If you aren't ETSU, you are the enemy. The competitive spirit should take over like Mel Gibson's movie Braveheart... play to win.

Quote:You aren't the only UAB fan to come here and knock him as a recruiter, one thing he has done a good job of at ETSU but claimed he was a good bench coach. That is not something we have seen at ETSU, he has been awful at X's and O's, and that is not just me speaking that is just about every fan on here. Like Mister mentioned in the other thread, ETSU has litte semblence of an offensive set, if they aren't pushing it they are standing around until somebody has to shoot because of the shot clock. Also I to have heard him say that he sometimes has just given the team their head, rolled the ball out and let them create the last two years of Tim Smith and then the Pigram and Tiggs era were perfect examples of this "offensive set".
For some reason he seems to be 180 degrees from the coach some UAB fans remember.

Rod:

You might not believe this, but here is something else I saw from MuBar in his first three years as UAB's head coach: He frequently played 9-10, even 11 guys, a game. The Blazers were wracked with injuries in each of his last three years, and the rotations got shorter, out of necessity. But I could show you boxscores from his first three years where he regularly went deep on the bench.

Why the change? I don't know. Here's one guess: Having been through the experience of being forced to resign at UAB, Bartow now coaches a little bit "scared." My understanding is that the UAB administration assured him right up until the end that he was fine, that they knew he was playing through a ton of injuries, and then they canned him anyway. That can have an effect on a person. Perhaps that is why he now sticks to the players he trusts most, to the point of stunting the development of some other guys.

On a related subject, MuBar almost never played zone at UAB. Did it a fair amount his last year when team was undersized due to injuries. But other than that, it was almost all man.

(02-16-2011 05:12 PM)ETSU-07 Wrote:  

(02-16-2011 02:16 PM)Mister Jennings Wrote:  Tennessee agreed to play at Johnson City in exchange for three games in Knoxville....The Bucs should have jumped on it. The only place we get to play Tennessee now is in Knoxville. I treasure the two Buc wins I attended in Knoxville...yeah...the odds of ETSU beating mega bucks UT are near zero but you have to try....right now I think this Buc team would have an excellent chance of taking the orange. Play them! I give Pearl credit...he has been very fair to state schools even taking on Tennessee Martin.

I want to see some major teams come to Johnson City, but I'm actually glad we passed on UT. It would be embarrassing to have the ETSU student section pulling against the home team. There's enough orange at our home games already.

You just identified the core, central problem with ETSU athletics, ETSU support of UT athletics. It has not changed in 40 years. It must be a mountain cultural thing, interwoven with a complex set of psychological and social issues. This would be an excellent research and dissertation undertaking. This issue runs as deep as any psycho/cultural dynamic in the world. The one who could find the formula to change this would be a miracle worker. It is by far the most stubborn and difficult hurdle faced by anyone who desires to move ETSU athletics forward. An old professor once said that facts are stubborn things. And this fact, unfortunately for ETSU athletics, is a stubborn thing.

http://www.johnsoncitypress.com/Sports/a...p?ID=86802
Some pointed comments from Hodge throughout. Kudos to him for pointing out what we're screaming.

J.C. Press, 2/19/11

Bucs’ numbers don’t add up against Belmont
By Kelly Hodge
Press Managing Sports Editor
khodge@johnsoncitypress.com

NASHVILLE — East Tennessee State may have the best starting five in the Atlantic Sun Conference, but Belmont has the best team.

If that wasn’t clear before Thursday night’s rematch at the Curb Event Center, it should be now.

The Bruins used their superior depth and toughness to beat the Bucs again, 68-58, and secure the No. 1 seed for the conference tournament. Just like the earlier meeting, another physical, 10-point loss, the Bucs simply ran out of gas at crunch time.

Trailing 50-47 with seven minutes left, Belmont scored 14 of the next 15 points — getting them from six different players — and was able to seal the deal at the foul line. The Bruins made 26 of 30 free throws on the night.

All in all, it was a draining experience for the Bucs, who now have to go up the road for another challenging game tonight at Lipscomb.

Four of their starters played at least 36 minutes each. J.C. Ward came off the bench to play 13, and Sheldon Cooley played five; together they accounted for one point and two rebounds. And that was it for the reserves.

Belmont, by contrast, played nine guys double-figure minutes and got 26 points and 23 rebounds from its bench. The Bruins came into the game ranked second nationally in bench points — 40.7 per game — and are used to sharing the wealth.

They won for the 12th time in the last 15 games with ETSU despite having just two guys score in double figures, and they overcame their worst shooting performance of the year from the field (32 percent).

When asked why his team owned the stretch run, again, coach Rick Byrd quickly pointed to depth. He noted ETSU’s foul trouble and the sapping intensity of the rivalry, both of which tend to put a premium on having a deep bench.

The Bucs couldn’t help but notice the difference as they walked off the court while the Belmont players celebrated with their rowdy fans.

They had outscrapped the Bruins in the first half, holding them to 24 points and leading by seven — only the third time all season Belmont has trailed at the break. But it didn’t take long for the tide to turn and eventually sweep the Bucs away.

“The first half we were real aggressive,” said junior forward Isiah Brown, who scored 14 points and blocked six shots. “But they rotate five men and run well and rebound well. Everything happened so fast at the end ... [b]I guess you could say we ran out of gas.” [/b]

Before the season began, it looked like coach Murry Bartow’s team would always have plenty in the tank, maybe go 10 deep in its quest for a third straight NCAA tournament appearance. That storyline never developed.

Tommy Hubbard’s knee didn’t come around after surgery and he had to redshirt. So did injured freshman guard Ryan Woumn. Jarvis Jones, a shooter, is another one sitting out.

[i]The junior-college transfers that were supposed to change the complexion of the team, forwards Curtis Wilkinson and Anthony Johnson, have been nothing more than spectators way down the bench.

So here we are at the end of the regular season, and Bartow has decided to live or die with seven guys. That’s good enough most nights in the A-Sun, but not against Belmont.

At 14-4 in the league, the Bucs should still be able to secure the No. 2 seed for the tournament. They’re a game ahead of Jacksonville in the loss column and own the tiebreaker, having swept the Dolphins. Lurking two games back is Lipscomb, the preseason favorite and still a dangerous team, and that’s where the Bucs will find themselves tonight.

A loss could leave them needing to win the regular-season finale at Campbell to get the 2-seed, which would be worth a day off before the semifinals in Macon, Ga. — if they survive the opener. That’s valuable incentive, especially if they end up facing Belmont again in the final. They’ll need all the rest they can get.

Lipscomb is the only place where Belmont has lost in the league this season. The atmosphere tonight in Allen Arena won’t resemble the “Battle of the Boulevard” but is likely to be highly charged. It will be the last home game for seniors Adnan Hodzic, Josh Slater, Brandon Brown and Michael Teller.

Judging from their body language late Thursday night, the Bucs will have to dig deep to find some more energy.

“When you lose an emotional game like this,” Bartow said outside his lockerroom, “it can bleed into the next game so easy. We have to work our way out of it, and we know what’s ahead of us. Lipscomb will be a tough game.”

The Bucs held on to win a 68-67 thriller a month ago in Johnson City. Mike Smith scored 20 points and came up with a crucial offensive rebound off a missed free throw late in the game. Slater had 27 points for the Bisons, including their last 11.

Expect another tight one tonight. The last 11 games in the series have all been decided by five points or less, and ETSU has won nine of them.

Just don’t expect a lot of help from the bench.

You just identified the core, central problem with ETSU athletics, ETSU support of UT athletics. It has not changed in 40 years. It must be a mountain cultural thing, interwoven with a complex set of psychological and social issues. This would be an excellent research and dissertation undertaking. This issue runs as deep as any psycho/cultural dynamic in the world. The one who could find the formula to change this would be a miracle worker. It is by far the most stubborn and difficult hurdle faced by anyone who desires to move ETSU athletics forward. An old professor once said that facts are stubborn things. And this fact, unfortunately for ETSU athletics, is a stubborn thing.
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Buc66...I'm with you on this. I think it's going to take a dynamic leader that captures the imagination. Sonny Smith had charisma...had the dome filled to 10,000 with the basketball floor in the middle of the football field...wow. Les Robinson charisma is legend. Biggest crowds in ETSU history. Ranked in the top 10 in the division 1 nation. I'm guessing and I know there are board members who know but I suspect if Robinson stayed, no way he would have allowed the concert to happen that changed the seating capacity.

If ETSU had an all in Smith or Robinson calling the shots...I suspect ETSU may have grown into a Dayton or Butler. That would be alright with me. ETSU would have arrived...ESPN would be a regular in the dome... footballs would still be kicked...ETSU would be a household name even to people in California. Hey, I remember when the Bucs played UCLA at Pauley Pavilion. That's the vision ETSU needs...sorry NAIA. Those games should never happen.

I have never heard Murry give his vision for ETSU basketball...where he wants it to be in 5 years, 10 years and describe how he will make it happen.... If I'm AD...that is in your goals and objectives. Sometimes I think the Bucs are aimlessly wondering around.

(02-18-2011 06:09 PM)George Bailey Wrote:  This is open to interpretation, but I take 6-7 of the points to be about the A-Sun. And since the Bucs are in the A-Sun because they don't have football, I take it to mean the writer is pissed about the lack of football.

If my interpretation is wrong, so be it. And by the way, the writer is perfectly within his rights to be pissed about lack of football. I would like to see ETSU with a football team myself. But I try not to let that color my view of the basketball program. In my view, they are separate entities.

The other points are simply someone's opinion, with pretty much no facts to back them up. Again, that's fine; forums like these are for opinions mostly.

Football has nothing to do with it.

So I guess the bottom line is that we have the talent and leadership on our team that is probably the best in the league but because the coaches want to use only 7 seven players during a game we have no chance of competing for the regular season championship. So as always it is back to 3 games in March. Frustrating.

(02-19-2011 11:18 AM)bucfan81 Wrote:  So I guess the bottom line is that we have the talent and leadership on our team that is probably the best in the league but because the coaches want to use only 7 seven players during a game we have no chance of competing for the regular season championship. So as always it is back to 3 games in March. Frustrating.

The lack of depth is only one of the reasons we aren't the favorite.

(02-18-2011 08:27 PM)Bucfaithful Wrote:  http://www.johnsoncitypress.com/Sports/a...p?ID=86802
Some pointed comments from Hodge throughout. Kudos to him for pointing out what we're screaming.

Well........that's one way to look at it. My first reaction is, like has often been the case, he should directly credit this board for his material. I mean, 80% or so of it is directly from this board!