(01-29-2011 11:23 PM)Raleighwood Pirate Wrote:  

(01-29-2011 10:42 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(01-29-2011 10:33 PM)ECUgradstudent Wrote:  Let's hope for ECU sakes the rumors of Tag's BEN and cable companies in NC and VA willing to sign up are true.

Yeah, that'll tip the scales.

It is not that far fetched. This is what Tags said in his NY Times interview. Just because a school resides in a big market doesn't mean they own the market. Tags seems to be very objective.

“You have to eventually tie your television to people actually watching and not just to television subscribers added up and totaled.”

Here is the link.

http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/04...r-big-ten/

If this is true, then USF's claim to own UCF's television market has finally been proven false. Because I can tell you that no one in Orlando watches USF.

(01-29-2011 11:37 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(01-29-2011 11:23 PM)Raleighwood Pirate Wrote:  

(01-29-2011 10:42 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(01-29-2011 10:33 PM)ECUgradstudent Wrote:  Let's hope for ECU sakes the rumors of Tag's BEN and cable companies in NC and VA willing to sign up are true.

Yeah, that'll tip the scales.

It is not that far fetched. This is what Tags said in his NY Times interview. Just because a school resides in a big market doesn't mean they own the market. Tags seems to be very objective.

“You have to eventually tie your television to people actually watching and not just to television subscribers added up and totaled.”

Here is the link.

http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/04...r-big-ten/

If this is true, then USF's claim to own UCF's television market has finally been proven false. Because I can tell you that no one in Orlando watches USF.

LOL. Wow you know the viewing habits of EVERY resident of Orlando? Let me give you a hint in Orlando there are graduates from USF and every other Big East teams and there will be casual fans that would be interested in watching Big East basketball and even Big East football.
Would the numbers increase if UCF was added? Of course but to say that no one watches USF in Orlando is a flat out lie.
At the end of the day it will be decided by who brings new TV markets to the league and increase TV revenues for them. If UCF does this then they will be added if not then they wont.

USF doesn't have any weight in the Orlando market. The Orlando Sentinel has their own sections for UCF, UF and FSU. No USF anywhere. If Orlando was a USF market...there would be interest. Sure...there are some USF grads that live in Orlando. But Orlando doesn't back USF or the Big East. UCF in the Big East would be a different story. It'll give the city a reason to watch those games, because there would be interest. USF gets zero pub in Orlando, outside of articles like Bianchi's in relation to UCF.

Right now...nobody tunes into the Big East games with interest. Maybe if it's a thursday night football game and the only thing on. UCF involved in the BE would bring in more viewers to USF and others. Orlando is dying for bigtime sports to follow to call their own. Right now all Orlando has is the Magic. Unless you went to UCF or have ties to UCF...as long as UCF is in CUSA it's hard to gather the fans on the fence long term. In the middle of SEC and ACC territory...CUSA is and will always be seen as 2nd tier. Averaging 40k for CUSA games is good. Neither Miami or USF would gather that kind of support for CUSA. If USF was still in CUSA...they'd be lucky to average 25k. Hell...they only had 30k for their homecoming and Big East home opener vs. Syracuse this year.

(01-30-2011 12:32 PM)Goldenbuc Wrote:  USF doesn't have any weight in the Orlando market. The Orlando Sentinel has their own sections for UCF, UF and FSU. No USF anywhere. If Orlando was a USF market...there would be interest. Sure...there are some USF grads that live in Orlando. But Orlando doesn't back USF or the Big East. UCF in the Big East would be a different story. It'll give the city a reason to watch those games, because there would be interest. USF gets zero pub in Orlando, outside of articles like Bianchi's in relation to UCF.

Right now...nobody tunes into the Big East games with interest. Maybe if it's a thursday night football game and the only thing on. UCF involved in the BE would bring in more viewers to USF and others. Orlando is dying for bigtime sports to follow to call their own. Right now all Orlando has is the Magic. Unless you went to UCF or have ties to UCF...as long as UCF is in CUSA it's hard to gather the fans on the fence long term. In the middle of SEC and ACC territory...CUSA is and will always be seen as 2nd tier. Averaging 40k for CUSA games is good. Neither Miami or USF would gather that kind of support for CUSA. If USF was still in CUSA...they'd be lucky to average 25k. Hell...they only had 30k for their homecoming and Big East home opener vs. Syracuse this year.

I assume you are talking about in and around Orlando for if not I find this statement to be FALSE.

(01-30-2011 12:51 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  

(01-30-2011 12:32 PM)Goldenbuc Wrote:  USF doesn't have any weight in the Orlando market. The Orlando Sentinel has their own sections for UCF, UF and FSU. No USF anywhere. If Orlando was a USF market...there would be interest. Sure...there are some USF grads that live in Orlando. But Orlando doesn't back USF or the Big East. UCF in the Big East would be a different story. It'll give the city a reason to watch those games, because there would be interest. USF gets zero pub in Orlando, outside of articles like Bianchi's in relation to UCF.

Right now...nobody tunes into the Big East games with interest. Maybe if it's a thursday night football game and the only thing on. UCF involved in the BE would bring in more viewers to USF and others. Orlando is dying for bigtime sports to follow to call their own. Right now all Orlando has is the Magic. Unless you went to UCF or have ties to UCF...as long as UCF is in CUSA it's hard to gather the fans on the fence long term. In the middle of SEC and ACC territory...CUSA is and will always be seen as 2nd tier. Averaging 40k for CUSA games is good. Neither Miami or USF would gather that kind of support for CUSA. If USF was still in CUSA...they'd be lucky to average 25k. Hell...they only had 30k for their homecoming and Big East home opener vs. Syracuse this year.

I assume you are talking about in and around Orlando for if not I find this statement to be FALSE.

Maybe saying "nobody" is false. There some people in Orlando that have Big East ties. But the majority aren't tuned into USF and the Big East, because there's not any local interest, right now. My point is that USF doesn't have the Orlando market and they're not even covered in the local paper. That right there could tell anyone that USF doesn't have Orlando's market. UCF and USF have games broadcasted on the Brighthouse sports network. If they're on at the same time...UCF is shown in Orlando and USF in Tampa. If USF is playing on the BHSN...they're shown in Orlando if UCF isn't playing at the same time on the network. UCF is also shown in the Tampa market if USF isn't on at the same time.

Unless you live in Orlando...you can't argue this point. Genshaft trying to say that USF already has the Orlando market is ridiculous.

(01-30-2011 09:17 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(01-29-2011 11:37 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(01-29-2011 11:23 PM)Raleighwood Pirate Wrote:  

(01-29-2011 10:42 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(01-29-2011 10:33 PM)ECUgradstudent Wrote:  Let's hope for ECU sakes the rumors of Tag's BEN and cable companies in NC and VA willing to sign up are true.

Yeah, that'll tip the scales.

It is not that far fetched. This is what Tags said in his NY Times interview. Just because a school resides in a big market doesn't mean they own the market. Tags seems to be very objective.

“You have to eventually tie your television to people actually watching and not just to television subscribers added up and totaled.”

Here is the link.

http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/04...r-big-ten/

If this is true, then USF's claim to own UCF's television market has finally been proven false. Because I can tell you that no one in Orlando watches USF.

LOL. Wow you know the viewing habits of EVERY resident of Orlando? Let me give you a hint in Orlando there are graduates from USF and every other Big East teams and there will be casual fans that would be interested in watching Big East basketball and even Big East football.
Would the numbers increase if UCF was added? Of course but to say that no one watches USF in Orlando is a flat out lie.
At the end of the day it will be decided by who brings new TV markets to the league and increase TV revenues for them. If UCF does this then they will be added if not then they wont.

Isn't it interesting how much you typed and said absolutely nothing. So, you have proof to the contrary? You have data as to how many folks in Orlando ARE watching? No, I didn't think so. I live here, and yet you know more than I? And it's interesting how you tied USF in with every other BEast TV event, in Orlando. So if Villanova and Syracuse play on local TV, USF gets credit for that? Get over yourself.

As far as EVERY person in Orlando watching the BEast? That's a retarded point, as I stated no one was watching your USF, at least not in any numbers that are moving the needle.

(01-30-2011 01:14 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(01-30-2011 09:17 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(01-29-2011 11:37 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(01-29-2011 11:23 PM)Raleighwood Pirate Wrote:  

(01-29-2011 10:42 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  Yeah, that'll tip the scales.

It is not that far fetched. This is what Tags said in his NY Times interview. Just because a school resides in a big market doesn't mean they own the market. Tags seems to be very objective.

“You have to eventually tie your television to people actually watching and not just to television subscribers added up and totaled.”

Here is the link.

http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/04...r-big-ten/

If this is true, then USF's claim to own UCF's television market has finally been proven false. Because I can tell you that no one in Orlando watches USF.

LOL. Wow you know the viewing habits of EVERY resident of Orlando? Let me give you a hint in Orlando there are graduates from USF and every other Big East teams and there will be casual fans that would be interested in watching Big East basketball and even Big East football.
Would the numbers increase if UCF was added? Of course but to say that no one watches USF in Orlando is a flat out lie.
At the end of the day it will be decided by who brings new TV markets to the league and increase TV revenues for them. If UCF does this then they will be added if not then they wont.

Isn't it interesting how much you typed and said absolutely nothing. So, you have proof to the contrary? You have data as to how many folks in Orlando ARE watching? No, I didn't think so. I live here, and yet you know more than I? And it's interesting how you tied USF in with every other BEast TV event, in Orlando. So if Villanova and Syracuse play on local TV, USF gets credit for that? Get over yourself.

As far as EVERY person in Orlando watching the BEast? That's a retarded point, as I stated no one was watching your USF, at least not in any numbers that are moving the needle.

Man are you like 12 or what? You dont think there are USF grads in orlando? I know for a fact that there is one so for you to say that no one watches USf in Orlando is plain ridiculous. Do you have access to data showing the numbers? If you dont then its just your word vs mine.

(01-30-2011 01:18 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(01-30-2011 01:14 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(01-30-2011 09:17 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(01-29-2011 11:37 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(01-29-2011 11:23 PM)Raleighwood Pirate Wrote:  It is not that far fetched. This is what Tags said in his NY Times interview. Just because a school resides in a big market doesn't mean they own the market. Tags seems to be very objective.

“You have to eventually tie your television to people actually watching and not just to television subscribers added up and totaled.”

Here is the link.

http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/04...r-big-ten/

If this is true, then USF's claim to own UCF's television market has finally been proven false. Because I can tell you that no one in Orlando watches USF.

LOL. Wow you know the viewing habits of EVERY resident of Orlando? Let me give you a hint in Orlando there are graduates from USF and every other Big East teams and there will be casual fans that would be interested in watching Big East basketball and even Big East football.
Would the numbers increase if UCF was added? Of course but to say that no one watches USF in Orlando is a flat out lie.
At the end of the day it will be decided by who brings new TV markets to the league and increase TV revenues for them. If UCF does this then they will be added if not then they wont.

Isn't it interesting how much you typed and said absolutely nothing. So, you have proof to the contrary? You have data as to how many folks in Orlando ARE watching? No, I didn't think so. I live here, and yet you know more than I? And it's interesting how you tied USF in with every other BEast TV event, in Orlando. So if Villanova and Syracuse play on local TV, USF gets credit for that? Get over yourself.

As far as EVERY person in Orlando watching the BEast? That's a retarded point, as I stated no one was watching your USF, at least not in any numbers that are moving the needle.

Man are you like 12 or what? You dont think there are USF grads in orlando? I know for a fact that there is one so for you to say that no one watches USf in Orlando is plain ridiculous. Do you have access to data showing the numbers? If you dont then its just your word vs mine.

Just because some fans of USF tune into USF that happen to live in Orlando doesn't mean USF already has the Orlando market. I live in the Tampa Bay area and watch UCF games with other UCF fans in Tampa. I guess UCF owns the Tampa market, too.

(01-30-2011 01:14 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(01-30-2011 09:17 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(01-29-2011 11:37 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(01-29-2011 11:23 PM)Raleighwood Pirate Wrote:  

(01-29-2011 10:42 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  Yeah, that'll tip the scales.

It is not that far fetched. This is what Tags said in his NY Times interview. Just because a school resides in a big market doesn't mean they own the market. Tags seems to be very objective.

“You have to eventually tie your television to people actually watching and not just to television subscribers added up and totaled.”

Here is the link.

http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/04...r-big-ten/

If this is true, then USF's claim to own UCF's television market has finally been proven false. Because I can tell you that no one in Orlando watches USF.

LOL. Wow you know the viewing habits of EVERY resident of Orlando? Let me give you a hint in Orlando there are graduates from USF and every other Big East teams and there will be casual fans that would be interested in watching Big East basketball and even Big East football.
Would the numbers increase if UCF was added? Of course but to say that no one watches USF in Orlando is a flat out lie.
At the end of the day it will be decided by who brings new TV markets to the league and increase TV revenues for them. If UCF does this then they will be added if not then they wont.

Isn't it interesting how much you typed and said absolutely nothing. So, you have proof to the contrary? You have data as to how many folks in Orlando ARE watching? No, I didn't think so. I live here, and yet you know more than I? And it's interesting how you tied USF in with every other BEast TV event, in Orlando. So if Villanova and Syracuse play on local TV, USF gets credit for that? Get over yourself.

As far as EVERY person in Orlando watching the BEast? That's a retarded point, as I stated no one was watching your USF, at least not in any numbers that are moving the needle.

So you're saying people shouldn't post things unless they have proof of it?

USFFan (anxiously awaiting proof that USF is "blocking" UCF from Big East membership, which has been stated as fact by no less than a dozen UCF fans)

(01-30-2011 03:05 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(01-30-2011 01:14 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(01-30-2011 09:17 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(01-29-2011 11:37 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(01-29-2011 11:23 PM)Raleighwood Pirate Wrote:  It is not that far fetched. This is what Tags said in his NY Times interview. Just because a school resides in a big market doesn't mean they own the market. Tags seems to be very objective.

“You have to eventually tie your television to people actually watching and not just to television subscribers added up and totaled.”

Here is the link.

http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/04...r-big-ten/

If this is true, then USF's claim to own UCF's television market has finally been proven false. Because I can tell you that no one in Orlando watches USF.

LOL. Wow you know the viewing habits of EVERY resident of Orlando? Let me give you a hint in Orlando there are graduates from USF and every other Big East teams and there will be casual fans that would be interested in watching Big East basketball and even Big East football.
Would the numbers increase if UCF was added? Of course but to say that no one watches USF in Orlando is a flat out lie.
At the end of the day it will be decided by who brings new TV markets to the league and increase TV revenues for them. If UCF does this then they will be added if not then they wont.

Isn't it interesting how much you typed and said absolutely nothing. So, you have proof to the contrary? You have data as to how many folks in Orlando ARE watching? No, I didn't think so. I live here, and yet you know more than I? And it's interesting how you tied USF in with every other BEast TV event, in Orlando. So if Villanova and Syracuse play on local TV, USF gets credit for that? Get over yourself.

As far as EVERY person in Orlando watching the BEast? That's a retarded point, as I stated no one was watching your USF, at least not in any numbers that are moving the needle.

So you're saying people shouldn't post things unless they have proof of it?

USFFan (anxiously awaiting proof that USF is "blocking" UCF from Big East membership, which has been stated as fact by no less than a dozen UCF fans)

I never said that... your retarded USF buddy mentioned that I had no clue what the TV numbers are in Orlando. Like he does? But when asking the question he failed to mention he doesn't know the numbers either, but ASSUMES they favor USF. Once again, from your pig sty in Tampa, you assume to know everything about Orlando television. Tell me again how you know the TV numbers support the USF claim of owning our turf? Didn't think so.

Retarded? Pig sty? Glad to see you classy guys are worried about facts.

Don't worry, I expect your quote of "So you have no proof to the contrary?" to be reposted many times in the coming months. Proof is only required when it's convenient for you, apparently...

USFFan

(01-30-2011 03:32 PM)usffan Wrote:  Retarded? Pig sty? Glad to see you classy guys are worried about facts.

Don't worry, I expect your quote of "So you have no proof to the contrary?" to be reposted many times in the coming months. Proof is only required when it's convenient for you, apparently...

USFFan

Just using USF's logic against you. Sucks when it's on the other foot eh?

And you're right, I retract the personal comments, it was unnecessary.

(01-30-2011 03:34 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(01-30-2011 03:32 PM)usffan Wrote:  Retarded? Pig sty? Glad to see you classy guys are worried about facts.

Don't worry, I expect your quote of "So you have no proof to the contrary?" to be reposted many times in the coming months. Proof is only required when it's convenient for you, apparently...

USFFan

Just using USF's logic against you. Sucks when it's on the other foot eh?

And you're right, I retract my comment about pig sty. That was unnecessary. Jury is still out about being retarded.

LOL well I could say the same about Orlando just reading some of the posts on this board from UCF fans.

Saying nobody watches USF in Orlando would be as ridiculous as me saying no one in Tampa watches UCF. The reality is that because their proximity to each other there is bound to be large numbers of alumni from both sides.
But back to the TV question, the reality is that they will look at what new markets are being delivered. IF the Big East and that includes USF is being shown in Orlando right now, then the question becomes how much MORE income would they get from the addition of UCF. Now Im not an expert and neither is anyoneelse on this board,and thats what Tags will be presenting to BE presidents and what will drive their decision on whetjer to expand and if so who?
So lets try a real conversation on this board without thrashing each others schools because that accomplishes nothing.

I agree about the trash talk, but I really cannot agree that USF delivers the Orlando market. I know this seems to be the cornerstone of USF's argument about UCF joining the Big East. I just don't see how anyone in the BEast is simple enough to believe the fiction that USF's president is tryng to sell. The truth needs to be told. USF does not deliver the Orlando market. To say so is a ridiculous stretch, at best. USF knows this, and they say it anyway, because they believe they can establish that "perception" to other BE presidents. Smoke and mirrors is all it is. Hopefully other BEast presidents do their homework, and not just listen to Genshaft's self-serving, rehearsed, diatribe about TV markets in Central Florida.

(01-30-2011 05:12 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  I agree about the trash talk, but I really cannot agree that USF delivers the Orlando market. I know this seems to be the cornerstone of USF's argument about UCF joining the Big East. I just don't see how anyone in the BEast is simple enough to believe the fiction that USF's president is tryng to sell. The truth needs to be told. USF does not deliver the Orlando market. To say so is a ridiculous stretch, at best. USF knows this, and they say it anyway, because they believe they can establish that "perception" to other BE presidents. Smoke and mirrors is all it is. Hopefully other BEast presidents do their homework, and not just listen to Genshaft's self-serving, rehearsed, diatribe about TV markets in Central Florida.

Link to Genshaft actually saying any of those things? After all, you have no proof.

USFFan

First off, Im getting pretty tired of all this BS about our president being the devil and spending her time on blocking UCF and saying things that cant be quoted, unless you have an actual link with proof that she has said or done this is just total BS talk.
Secondly, I doubt anyone will say that USF delivers the Orlando market, just as UCF does not deliver the Tampa market. The bigger question is, Does the Big East need UCF to have its games televised in Orlando? The SEC does not have a team in Miami, yet their games of the week are shown down here.

Wow, this thread took a wrong turn somewhere.