(11-21-2015 03:07 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(11-21-2015 01:20 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(11-21-2015 12:32 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(11-21-2015 12:09 PM)RiceFootball2K5 Wrote:  

(11-21-2015 10:15 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  Augie's record on pitcher longevity is no better, and probably worse. Over the last 5 - 10 years, Rice has gotten far more pitchers onto MLB rosters than UT, despite the Longhorns consistently landing the higher ranked recruits

Kinda confused by your post here Walt. First, she didn't say anything about Texas or Augie? Second, I'm no Texas fan (and certainly not an Augie fan, if those even exist), but I don't think your stat is true either. Off the top of my head, in the last few years we've had Duffey, Cingrani, Luetge, Langwell and Bryan Price make their debuts in the majors. You could probably throw Savery in there too. And those last 4 really for just cups of coffee. In the same period, they've had Knebel, Workman, Jungmann, James Russell, and McKirahan make their debuts. Seems about even. Even if you want to go back 10 years to include guys like Niemann, Humber, Aardsma and Geer, they can match with Huston Street, JP Howell, Sam Lecure, etc.

Umm, I mentioned Augie because Stomps mentioned in her original post that the kid was favoring UT over Rice. So, yes, she did mention UT in her original post Second, the point on longevity I interpreted to mean both MLB exposure and arm injuries, and UT has definitely been no better than Rice pitchers in that regard-- either while still in college or after turning pro. BTW, didn't I say in my post that "Augie's record on pitcher longevity is no better, and perhaps worse"? How is that confusing or wrong even based on your evidence?

You did say "Rice has gotten far more pitchers onto MLB rosters than UT" which was where the response was coming from I believe. You know you can scroll up on the page and see what you just posted right?

I do believe we have gotten more pitchers onto MLB rosters over the past 10 years, despite UT landing the more highly regarded recruits. Nothing I said in my post was off base. First I get attacked because what I said was confusing or inaccurate with regards to "longevity"; neither of which was the case. Do you guys simply pile on for the sake of piling on, whether or not there is a basis for it?

Have to side w Walt on this one. Rather than dissect every syllabyl for meaning, I felt he was stating that in terms of the pitch count issue, the OG's track record is certainly no worse than Augie( the kid is leaning towards UT). Both schools get a fair number into the pro's . Let's cut him some slack(but not too often!).

(11-21-2015 03:35 PM)stompclapwhoosh Wrote:  ...oops I started a pot. I will now try not to stir it.

Not taking sides or stirring pots, but baseballreference.com is an excellent tool for adding accuracy to at least some portions of debates like this. You can sort by university easily enough.

(11-23-2015 10:31 AM)Rick Gerlach Wrote:  

(11-21-2015 03:35 PM)stompclapwhoosh Wrote:  ...oops I started a pot. I will now try not to stir it.

Not taking sides or stirring pots, but baseballreference.com is an excellent tool for adding accuracy to at least some portions of debates like this. You can sort by university easily enough.

You are right Rick. Here is our list of players drafted since 2000 that have made the Bigs:

20 Tyler Duffey 1990 2012 2015 MIN
25 Anthony Rendon 1990 2012 2015 WSN
28 Tony Cingrani 1989 2011 2015 CIN
33 Brock Holt 1988 2009 2015 BOS
40 Lucas Luetge 1987 2008 2015 SEA
45 Matt Langwell 1986 2008 2014 ARI
47 Bryan Price 1986 2008 2015 CLE
58 Joe Savery 1985 2007 2014 OAK
62 Josh Rodriguez 1984 2006 2015 NYM
67 Josh Geer 1983 2005 2015 SDP
69 Jeff Niemann 1983 2005 2012 TBD
70 Lance Pendleton 1983 2005 2012 TBD
73 Philip Humber 1982 2005 2015 OAK
74 Paul Janish 1982 2004 2015 BAL
78 Craig Stansberry 1982 2003 2011 TOR
79 David Aardsma 1981 2003 2015 ATL
87 Philip Barzilla 1979 2001 2010 SDP

5 position players, 12 pitchers. 17 Total.

Here is Texas' list during the same time period:
17 Corey Knebel 1991 2013 2015 MIL
24 Andrew McKirahan 1990 2011 2015 ATL
33 Taylor Jungmann 1989 2012 2015 MIL
39 Brandon Belt 1988 2010 2015 SFG
42 Josh Prince 1988 2009 2015 DET
44 Chance Ruffin 1988 2010 2014 SEA
45 Cameron Rupp 1988 2010 2015 PHI
46 Brandon Workman 1988 2011 2014 BOS
51 Jordan Danks 1986 2008 2015 PHI
54 James Russell 1986 2007 2015 CHC
70 Sam LeCure 1984 2005 2015 CIN
72 Drew Stubbs 1984 2006 2015 TEX
74 J.P. Howell 1983 2004 2015 LAD
79 Huston Street 1983 2004 2015 ANA
80 Taylor Teagarden 1983 2005 2015 CHC
81 Curtis Thigpen 1983 2004 2008 TOR
85 Geno Espineli 1982 2004 2011 SFG
88 Michael Hollimon 1982 2005 2012 MIN
94 Brandon Fahey 1981 2002 2008 BAL
95 Brad Halsey 1981 2002 2011 NYY
101 Daniel Ortmeier 1981 2002 2009 COL
102 Omar Quintanilla 1981 2003 2015 COL
121 Phil Seibel 1979 2001 2007 ANA

11 position players, 12 pitchers, 23 total.

They have more position players who have made the bigs, we have the exact same number of pitchers.

(11-23-2015 11:36 AM)RiceFootball2K5 Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 10:31 AM)Rick Gerlach Wrote:  

(11-21-2015 03:35 PM)stompclapwhoosh Wrote:  ...oops I started a pot. I will now try not to stir it.

Not taking sides or stirring pots, but baseballreference.com is an excellent tool for adding accuracy to at least some portions of debates like this. You can sort by university easily enough.

You are right Rick. Here is our list of players drafted since 2000 that have made the Bigs:

20 Tyler Duffey 1990 2012 2015 MIN
25 Anthony Rendon 1990 2012 2015 WSN
28 Tony Cingrani 1989 2011 2015 CIN
33 Brock Holt 1988 2009 2015 BOS
40 Lucas Luetge 1987 2008 2015 SEA
45 Matt Langwell 1986 2008 2014 ARI
47 Bryan Price 1986 2008 2015 CLE
58 Joe Savery 1985 2007 2014 OAK
62 Josh Rodriguez 1984 2006 2015 NYM
67 Josh Geer 1983 2005 2015 SDP
69 Jeff Niemann 1983 2005 2012 TBD
70 Lance Pendleton 1983 2005 2012 TBD
73 Philip Humber 1982 2005 2015 OAK
74 Paul Janish 1982 2004 2015 BAL
78 Craig Stansberry 1982 2003 2011 TOR
79 David Aardsma 1981 2003 2015 ATL
87 Philip Barzilla 1979 2001 2010 SDP

5 position players, 12 pitchers. 17 Total.

Here is Texas' list during the same time period:
17 Corey Knebel 1991 2013 2015 MIL
24 Andrew McKirahan 1990 2011 2015 ATL
33 Taylor Jungmann 1989 2012 2015 MIL
39 Brandon Belt 1988 2010 2015 SFG
42 Josh Prince 1988 2009 2015 DET
44 Chance Ruffin 1988 2010 2014 SEA
45 Cameron Rupp 1988 2010 2015 PHI
46 Brandon Workman 1988 2011 2014 BOS
51 Jordan Danks 1986 2008 2015 PHI
54 James Russell 1986 2007 2015 CHC
70 Sam LeCure 1984 2005 2015 CIN
72 Drew Stubbs 1984 2006 2015 TEX
74 J.P. Howell 1983 2004 2015 LAD
79 Huston Street 1983 2004 2015 ANA
80 Taylor Teagarden 1983 2005 2015 CHC
81 Curtis Thigpen 1983 2004 2008 TOR
85 Geno Espineli 1982 2004 2011 SFG
88 Michael Hollimon 1982 2005 2012 MIN
94 Brandon Fahey 1981 2002 2008 BAL
95 Brad Halsey 1981 2002 2011 NYY
101 Daniel Ortmeier 1981 2002 2009 COL
102 Omar Quintanilla 1981 2003 2015 COL
121 Phil Seibel 1979 2001 2007 ANA

11 position players, 12 pitchers, 23 total.

They have more position players who have made the bigs, we have the exact same number of pitchers.

Just a nit (and only half jokingly), but I said pitchers on MLB rosters, and JT Chargois was just recently added to the Twinkies 40-man roster, giving Rice the edge in pitchers (and note I originally said "no worse than UT, and probably better). Also, I don't think I was the only one who interpreted the term, "longevity", to also pertain to injuries...and, again, in this area, our pitchers have fared no worse than UT.

http://www.riceowls.com/sports/m-basebl/...15aab.html

Story on the recent signing.

Nice size in that group. I'm especially excited to see the JUCO outfielder from Weatherford who set a team record in RBI for them (68) as a freshman.

There is also a new name (Mackenzie Mueller) who is from Abilene, but who played in the Little League World Series a few years back? Obviously he didn't play for Abilene (at least I don't recall them making any LLWS - maybe he played on one of the Houston-area teams that made it and his family moved out to west Texas later?).

Meh. We'll see how many make it to campus.

(11-24-2015 09:59 PM)Pellet Wrote:  Meh. We'll see how many make it to campus.

You worried about guys going pro?

(11-24-2015 07:26 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  There is also a new name (Mackenzie Mueller) who is from Abilene, but who played in the Little League World Series a few years back? Obviously he didn't play for Abilene (at least I don't recall them making any LLWS - maybe he played on one of the Houston-area teams that made it and his family moved out to west Texas later?).

Google to the rescue:

He was a pitcher for the Ramstein AFB's "Kaiserslautern Community All-Star" team that represented Europe in the 2010 LLWS. (They went 0-2 in Williamsport, losing to Puerto Rico, 11-0 (Mackenzie was the losing pitcher: 7 runs/5 earned in 1.2 innings), and to Mexico, 11-2.)

Team photo: http://www.littleleague.org/series/2010d.../team.html

(11-25-2015 02:19 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  

(11-24-2015 07:26 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  There is also a new name (Mackenzie Mueller) who is from Abilene, but who played in the Little League World Series a few years back? Obviously he didn't play for Abilene (at least I don't recall them making any LLWS - maybe he played on one of the Houston-area teams that made it and his family moved out to west Texas later?).

Google to the rescue:

He was a pitcher for the Ramstein AFB's "Kaiserslautern Community All-Star" team that represented Europe in the 2010 LLWS. (They went 0-2 in Williamsport, losing to Puerto Rico, 11-0 (Mackenzie was the losing pitcher: 7 runs/5 earned in 1.2 innings), and to Mexico, 11-2.)

Team photo: http://www.littleleague.org/series/2010d.../team.html

First time I've ever seen a LHP who bats R! Must be some kind of story behind that.

(11-28-2015 10:11 PM)ColOwl Wrote:  

(11-25-2015 02:19 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  

(11-24-2015 07:26 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  There is also a new name (Mackenzie Mueller) who is from Abilene, but who played in the Little League World Series a few years back? Obviously he didn't play for Abilene (at least I don't recall them making any LLWS - maybe he played on one of the Houston-area teams that made it and his family moved out to west Texas later?).

Google to the rescue:

He was a pitcher for the Ramstein AFB's "Kaiserslautern Community All-Star" team that represented Europe in the 2010 LLWS. (They went 0-2 in Williamsport, losing to Puerto Rico, 11-0 (Mackenzie was the losing pitcher: 7 runs/5 earned in 1.2 innings), and to Mexico, 11-2.)

Team photo: http://www.littleleague.org/series/2010d.../team.html

First time I've ever seen a LHP who bats R! Must be some kind of story behind that.

The Met's rookie LHP, Matz, bats right-handed, as well.

(11-28-2015 10:11 PM)ColOwl Wrote:  

(11-25-2015 02:19 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  

(11-24-2015 07:26 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  There is also a new name (Mackenzie Mueller) who is from Abilene, but who played in the Little League World Series a few years back? Obviously he didn't play for Abilene (at least I don't recall them making any LLWS - maybe he played on one of the Houston-area teams that made it and his family moved out to west Texas later?).

Google to the rescue:

He was a pitcher for the Ramstein AFB's "Kaiserslautern Community All-Star" team that represented Europe in the 2010 LLWS. (They went 0-2 in Williamsport, losing to Puerto Rico, 11-0 (Mackenzie was the losing pitcher: 7 runs/5 earned in 1.2 innings), and to Mexico, 11-2.)

Team photo: http://www.littleleague.org/series/2010d.../team.html

First time I've ever seen a LHP who bats R! Must be some kind of story behind that.

His Perfect Game profile says he's a switch hitter.

Randy Johnson, Rube Waddell and Carl Hubble were all lefties who batted right handed.

(11-25-2015 02:15 AM)mrbig Wrote:  

(11-24-2015 09:59 PM)Pellet Wrote:  Meh. We'll see how many make it to campus.

You worried about guys going pro?

Lately, recruits have been using their Rice commitment as a bargaining chip when they really have no intention to go to school.

(11-28-2015 10:32 PM)Pellet Wrote:  

(11-25-2015 02:15 AM)mrbig Wrote:  

(11-24-2015 09:59 PM)Pellet Wrote:  Meh. We'll see how many make it to campus.

You worried about guys going pro?

Lately, recruits have been using their Rice commitment as a bargaining chip when they really have no intention to go to school.

Huh? Like who? Yes, we lost Garrett a couple years back, and it was a shock given he wasn't drafted until the 8th or 9th round, and received less than $200,000 in bonus money, but I wouldn't say he used us as leverage. Dickey Thom Jr might have, but that was almost 5 years ago already. We lost a couple this past year, but that's part of the gamble when recruiting Top 200 talent. It happens to every top program.

San Jac enters the season as the #3 ranked JUCO in the country; their best ranking in years. According to Kendall, they have multiple studs-- both on the mound and playing the field. I hope one or two have the grades to be recruited by us...

http://www.perfectgame.org/Articles/View...icle=12107