components is recruting inside players who can shoot free throws. At one point last night, Bails went 0-4 and Courtney 0-3. That seven points at that time would have pulled us within five points of Rice. We just have to find inside players that can shoot free throws. If they can't, then bomb away from the outside, hope you hit some threes and if you don't they can get the rebound and kick it back out for another three. That's pathetic. And it's been a trademark of Steve's teams. They recruit big guys who can't make free throws. See Wayne Burton and others.

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components is recruting inside players who can shoot free throws. At one point last night, Bails went 0-4 and Courtney 0-3. That seven points at that time would have pulled us within five points of Rice. We just have to find inside players that can shoot free throws. If they can't, then bomb away from the outside, hope you hit some threes and if you don't they can get the rebound and kick it back out for another three. That's pathetic. And it's been a trademark of Steve's teams. They recruit big guys who can't make free throws. See Wayne Burton and others.
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I realize that good bigs are hard to come by, but it seems like it's been a long time since we've had any that could score period, let alone shoot free throws.

(12-17-2010 01:47 PM)LRTrojan Wrote:  [quote='outsideualr' pid='6030903' dateline='1292606993']
components is recruting inside players who can shoot free throws. At one point last night, Bails went 0-4 and Courtney 0-3. That seven points at that time would have pulled us within five points of Rice. We just have to find inside players that can shoot free throws. If they can't, then bomb away from the outside, hope you hit some threes and if you don't they can get the rebound and kick it back out for another three. That's pathetic. And it's been a trademark of Steve's teams. They recruit big guys who can't make free throws. See Wayne Burton and others.
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I realize that good bigs are hard to come by, but it seems like it's been a long time since we've had any that could score period, let alone shoot free throws.

I see other mid major teams who have big men who can shoot free throws at a reasonable rate. If we don't have them, whose fault is that?

(12-17-2010 01:56 PM)outsideualr Wrote:  

(12-17-2010 01:47 PM)LRTrojan Wrote:  [quote='outsideualr' pid='6030903' dateline='1292606993']
components is recruting inside players who can shoot free throws. At one point last night, Bails went 0-4 and Courtney 0-3. That seven points at that time would have pulled us within five points of Rice. We just have to find inside players that can shoot free throws. If they can't, then bomb away from the outside, hope you hit some threes and if you don't they can get the rebound and kick it back out for another three. That's pathetic. And it's been a trademark of Steve's teams. They recruit big guys who can't make free throws. See Wayne Burton and others.
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I realize that good bigs are hard to come by, but it seems like it's been a long time since we've had any that could score period, let alone shoot free throws.

I see other mid major teams who have big men who can shoot free throws at a reasonable rate. If we don't have them, whose fault is that?

I agree that players missing free throws is terribly irritating. However, I think I would have taken Wilt Chamberlain or Shaquille O'Neal (both terrible free throw shooters) in a heartbeat. In reality, while I'm sure there are many exceptions, most centers are not good free throw shooters.

(12-17-2010 02:08 PM)mjs Wrote:  I agree that players missing free throws is terribly irritating. However, I think I would have taken Wilt Chamberlain or Shaquille O'Neal (both terrible free throw shooters) in a heartbeat. In reality, while I'm sure there are many exceptions, most centers are not good free throw shooters.

Good point, but I haven't seen any of our bigs that could do anywhere near what Wilt and Shaq could do, except shoot free throws.

(12-17-2010 02:12 PM)LRTrojan Wrote:  

(12-17-2010 02:08 PM)mjs Wrote:  I agree that players missing free throws is terribly irritating. However, I think I would have taken Wilt Chamberlain or Shaquille O'Neal (both terrible free throw shooters) in a heartbeat. In reality, while I'm sure there are many exceptions, most centers are not good free throw shooters.

Good point, but I haven't seen any of our bigs that could do anywhere near what Wilt and Shaq could do, except shoot free throws.

You're right. We don't getting the scoring or rebounding of Shaq (or Wilt), but we do get the free throw shooting. Not a fair trade off.

(12-17-2010 02:08 PM)mjs Wrote:  

(12-17-2010 01:56 PM)outsideualr Wrote:  

(12-17-2010 01:47 PM)LRTrojan Wrote:  [quote='outsideualr' pid='6030903' dateline='1292606993']
components is recruting inside players who can shoot free throws. At one point last night, Bails went 0-4 and Courtney 0-3. That seven points at that time would have pulled us within five points of Rice. We just have to find inside players that can shoot free throws. If they can't, then bomb away from the outside, hope you hit some threes and if you don't they can get the rebound and kick it back out for another three. That's pathetic. And it's been a trademark of Steve's teams. They recruit big guys who can't make free throws. See Wayne Burton and others.
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I realize that good bigs are hard to come by, but it seems like it's been a long time since we've had any that could score period, let alone shoot free throws.

I see other mid major teams who have big men who can shoot free throws at a reasonable rate. If we don't have them, whose fault is that?

I agree that players missing free throws is terribly irritating. However, I think I would have taken Wilt Chamberlain or Shaquille O'Neal (both terrible free throw shooters) in a heartbeat. In reality, while I'm sure there are many exceptions, most centers are not good free throw shooters.

I don't know. I've see some pretty good free throw shooting big men this year when we played ORU, Tulsa, Mo State and others. I know you can probably remember being at a Tip In Club luncheon over in North Little Rock right after we'd signed Courtney. Steve made the comment he really liked his game, but the one thing that worried him was his free throw shooting. It's nearly three years later and he's still not able to shoot free throws. I think a High School kid has been playing long enough that he's not going to get much better shooting free throws if he hasn't been able to before. The pattern is probably already formed.

(12-17-2010 04:57 PM)outsideualr Wrote:  

(12-17-2010 02:08 PM)mjs Wrote:  

(12-17-2010 01:56 PM)outsideualr Wrote:  

(12-17-2010 01:47 PM)LRTrojan Wrote:  [quote='outsideualr' pid='6030903' dateline='1292606993']
components is recruting inside players who can shoot free throws. At one point last night, Bails went 0-4 and Courtney 0-3. That seven points at that time would have pulled us within five points of Rice. We just have to find inside players that can shoot free throws. If they can't, then bomb away from the outside, hope you hit some threes and if you don't they can get the rebound and kick it back out for another three. That's pathetic. And it's been a trademark of Steve's teams. They recruit big guys who can't make free throws. See Wayne Burton and others.
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I realize that good bigs are hard to come by, but it seems like it's been a long time since we've had any that could score period, let alone shoot free throws.

I see other mid major teams who have big men who can shoot free throws at a reasonable rate. If we don't have them, whose fault is that?

I agree that players missing free throws is terribly irritating. However, I think I would have taken Wilt Chamberlain or Shaquille O'Neal (both terrible free throw shooters) in a heartbeat. In reality, while I'm sure there are many exceptions, most centers are not good free throw shooters.

I don't know. I've see some pretty good free throw shooting big men this year when we played ORU, Tulsa, Mo State and others. I know you can probably remember being at a Tip In Club luncheon over in North Little Rock right after we'd signed Courtney. Steve made the comment he really liked his game, but the one thing that worried him was his free throw shooting. It's nearly three years later and he's still not able to shoot free throws. I think a High School kid has been playing long enough that he's not going to get much better shooting free throws if he hasn't been able to before. The pattern is probably already formed.

Yes, and that's maybe why we got Courtney. Players we sign will have a flaw or 2 in their game or they'd being going the BCS route. Courtney is a "nice" player at our level- he's not particularly skilled but always plays hard and gives it his all.

(12-17-2010 06:21 PM)mjs Wrote:  Courtney is a "nice" player at our level- he's not particularly skilled but always plays hard and gives it his all.

Courtney is a good player. I'll take his kind every day. But you have to have an exceptional player in there to build around, at least from time time to time, and we have not had an exceptional post player in a while.