(12-14-2010 10:07 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  I believe ECU brings more to the table for The Big East than UCF. If markets are a concern than why add Orlando? I undertsand our games are already on the lowest tier there. If it's about support, ECU averaged over 10K per game more than UCF this season. Even though UCF was CUSA Champion. Bottomline is ECU is a football first program. That is what The Big East needs.
CJ

At the same time they only had 33k when they hosted CUSA championship while UCF had over 40k. Attendance fluctuates and it was just a couple years ago that UCF had a larger attendance than ECU. 10k right now is negligible. If you put USF, WVU, Pitt on UCF's schedule, they will sell out each of those games and then some.

We have no rebuttal to UCF fans. We love them all.

(12-14-2010 12:01 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(12-14-2010 10:07 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  I believe ECU brings more to the table for The Big East than UCF. If markets are a concern than why add Orlando? I undertsand our games are already on the lowest tier there. If it's about support, ECU averaged over 10K per game more than UCF this season. Even though UCF was CUSA Champion. Bottomline is ECU is a football first program. That is what The Big East needs.
CJ

At the same time they only had 33k when they hosted CUSA championship while UCF had over 40k. Attendance fluctuates and it was just a couple years ago that UCF had a larger attendance than ECU. 10k right now is negligible. If you put USF, WVU, Pitt on UCF's schedule, they will sell out each of those games and then some.

Well, that one game means nothing in the grand scheme of things. But if you want to throw it out there for conversation and look at the facts, you might understand why there was such a dip in that game.

ECU had one week to sell tickets for the game.
UCF had two weeks to sell tickets for the game.

ECU tickets sales were going very well until the threat of very bad weather. 40s and rain is far worse than 30s and snow. Students had to pay to come to the game.

UCF ticket sales were slow and even worked out a deal to allow all students in for free. The weather for the game turned out to be nice. No bad weather forecast.

The game attendance for ECU was far more of an anomoly than it was for UCF. But as I stated earlier, this single game won't make a hill of beans difference in my opinion. Would be nice for TCU, UCF, ECU and one more to make twelve but I don't see it happening in the next year. Most likely UCF (not that I agree with the reasons people cite) and possibly two down the road.

(12-14-2010 01:02 PM)apex_pirate Wrote:  

(12-14-2010 12:01 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(12-14-2010 10:07 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  I believe ECU brings more to the table for The Big East than UCF. If markets are a concern than why add Orlando? I undertsand our games are already on the lowest tier there. If it's about support, ECU averaged over 10K per game more than UCF this season. Even though UCF was CUSA Champion. Bottomline is ECU is a football first program. That is what The Big East needs.
CJ

At the same time they only had 33k when they hosted CUSA championship while UCF had over 40k. Attendance fluctuates and it was just a couple years ago that UCF had a larger attendance than ECU. 10k right now is negligible. If you put USF, WVU, Pitt on UCF's schedule, they will sell out each of those games and then some.

Well, that one game means nothing in the grand scheme of things. But if you want to throw it out there for conversation and look at the facts, you might understand why there was such a dip in that game.

ECU had one week to sell tickets for the game.
UCF had two weeks to sell tickets for the game.

ECU tickets sales were going very well until the threat of very bad weather. 40s and rain is far worse than 30s and snow. Students had to pay to come to the game.

UCF ticket sales were slow and even worked out a deal to allow all students in for free. The weather for the game turned out to be nice. No bad weather forecast.

The game attendance for ECU was far more of an anomoly than it was for UCF. But as I stated earlier, this single game won't make a hill of beans difference in my opinion. Would be nice for TCU, UCF, ECU and one more to make twelve but I don't see it happening in the next year. Most likely UCF (not that I agree with the reasons people cite) and possibly two down the road.

You're right, that single game won't make a bit of difference, neither will you guys have a bigger attendance for a couple years. Its not like UCF is averaging 33k (TCU) or 25k (Houston). Its at 40K.

(12-14-2010 11:53 AM)Joshua Wrote:  

(12-14-2010 10:07 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  I believe ECU brings more to the table for The Big East than UCF. If markets are a concern than why add Orlando? I undertsand our games are already on the lowest tier there. If it's about support, ECU averaged over 10K per game more than UCF this season. Even though UCF was CUSA Champion. Bottomline is ECU is a football first program. That is what The Big East needs.
CJ

They are not a football first program. They are a football-only program.

Tell that to our baseball team and some of our Olympic programs, why is it every time someone mentions ECU, UCF has to say a smart remark.

(12-14-2010 12:01 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(12-14-2010 10:07 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  I believe ECU brings more to the table for The Big East than UCF. If markets are a concern than why add Orlando? I undertsand our games are already on the lowest tier there. If it's about support, ECU averaged over 10K per game more than UCF this season. Even though UCF was CUSA Champion. Bottomline is ECU is a football first program. That is what The Big East needs.
CJ

At the same time they only had 33k when they hosted CUSA championship while UCF had over 40k. Attendance fluctuates and it was just a couple years ago that UCF had a larger attendance than ECU. 10k right now is negligible. If you put USF, WVU, Pitt on UCF's schedule, they will sell out each of those games and then some.

It was in the low 30ties and raining. You had a sunny day, sold tics $10 less than us and still wasn't sold out. In fact your paper begged for all of you to show up. When you state things be real about it. geez

(12-14-2010 12:01 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(12-14-2010 10:07 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  I believe ECU brings more to the table for The Big East than UCF. If markets are a concern than why add Orlando? I undertsand our games are already on the lowest tier there. If it's about support, ECU averaged over 10K per game more than UCF this season. Even though UCF was CUSA Champion. Bottomline is ECU is a football first program. That is what The Big East needs.
CJ

At the same time they only had 33k when they hosted CUSA championship while UCF had over 40k. Attendance fluctuates and it was just a couple years ago that UCF had a larger attendance than ECU. 10k right now is negligible. If you put USF, WVU, Pitt on UCF's schedule, they will sell out each of those games and then some.

We sell out playing CUSA teams, what do you think we would do with a BE schedule.

(12-14-2010 01:20 PM)whitey Wrote:  

(12-14-2010 12:01 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(12-14-2010 10:07 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  I believe ECU brings more to the table for The Big East than UCF. If markets are a concern than why add Orlando? I undertsand our games are already on the lowest tier there. If it's about support, ECU averaged over 10K per game more than UCF this season. Even though UCF was CUSA Champion. Bottomline is ECU is a football first program. That is what The Big East needs.
CJ

At the same time they only had 33k when they hosted CUSA championship while UCF had over 40k. Attendance fluctuates and it was just a couple years ago that UCF had a larger attendance than ECU. 10k right now is negligible. If you put USF, WVU, Pitt on UCF's schedule, they will sell out each of those games and then some.

We sell out playing CUSA teams, what do you think we would do with a BE schedule.

Make more money off the gate is what you would do IMO.

(12-14-2010 01:20 PM)whitey Wrote:  

(12-14-2010 12:01 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(12-14-2010 10:07 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  I believe ECU brings more to the table for The Big East than UCF. If markets are a concern than why add Orlando? I undertsand our games are already on the lowest tier there. If it's about support, ECU averaged over 10K per game more than UCF this season. Even though UCF was CUSA Champion. Bottomline is ECU is a football first program. That is what The Big East needs.
CJ

At the same time they only had 33k when they hosted CUSA championship while UCF had over 40k. Attendance fluctuates and it was just a couple years ago that UCF had a larger attendance than ECU. 10k right now is negligible. If you put USF, WVU, Pitt on UCF's schedule, they will sell out each of those games and then some.

We sell out playing CUSA teams, what do you think we would do with a BE schedule.

Still sell out? It can't get any better than sold-out can it?

In 10 years UCF will have about 100,000 new alumni. I'm not worried about filling our 45,000 seat stadium!

(12-14-2010 01:46 PM)MagicKnightmare Wrote:  

(12-14-2010 01:20 PM)whitey Wrote:  

(12-14-2010 12:01 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(12-14-2010 10:07 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  I believe ECU brings more to the table for The Big East than UCF. If markets are a concern than why add Orlando? I undertsand our games are already on the lowest tier there. If it's about support, ECU averaged over 10K per game more than UCF this season. Even though UCF was CUSA Champion. Bottomline is ECU is a football first program. That is what The Big East needs.
CJ

At the same time they only had 33k when they hosted CUSA championship while UCF had over 40k. Attendance fluctuates and it was just a couple years ago that UCF had a larger attendance than ECU. 10k right now is negligible. If you put USF, WVU, Pitt on UCF's schedule, they will sell out each of those games and then some.

We sell out playing CUSA teams, what do you think we would do with a BE schedule.

Still sell out? It can't get any better than sold-out can it?

Excuse me. We have games that were sold out against CUSA Team. UCF can't sell out any of their games. Is that better, geez

(12-14-2010 01:05 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(12-14-2010 01:02 PM)apex_pirate Wrote:  

(12-14-2010 12:01 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(12-14-2010 10:07 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  I believe ECU brings more to the table for The Big East than UCF. If markets are a concern than why add Orlando? I undertsand our games are already on the lowest tier there. If it's about support, ECU averaged over 10K per game more than UCF this season. Even though UCF was CUSA Champion. Bottomline is ECU is a football first program. That is what The Big East needs.
CJ

At the same time they only had 33k when they hosted CUSA championship while UCF had over 40k. Attendance fluctuates and it was just a couple years ago that UCF had a larger attendance than ECU. 10k right now is negligible. If you put USF, WVU, Pitt on UCF's schedule, they will sell out each of those games and then some.

Well, that one game means nothing in the grand scheme of things. But if you want to throw it out there for conversation and look at the facts, you might understand why there was such a dip in that game.

ECU had one week to sell tickets for the game.
UCF had two weeks to sell tickets for the game.

ECU tickets sales were going very well until the threat of very bad weather. 40s and rain is far worse than 30s and snow. Students had to pay to come to the game.

UCF ticket sales were slow and even worked out a deal to allow all students in for free. The weather for the game turned out to be nice. No bad weather forecast.

The game attendance for ECU was far more of an anomoly than it was for UCF. But as I stated earlier, this single game won't make a hill of beans difference in my opinion. Would be nice for TCU, UCF, ECU and one more to make twelve but I don't see it happening in the next year. Most likely UCF (not that I agree with the reasons people cite) and possibly two down the road.

You're right, that single game won't make a bit of difference, neither will you guys have a bigger attendance for a couple years. Its not like UCF is averaging 33k (TCU) or 25k (Houston). Its at 40K.

Never said it would. I think my comments at the end of my post are indicative of who I think the BE will go with. UCF may not average 33K. But it only averages 40K if you are including the championship game (not just regular season tickets sales) and then rounding up for good measure.

(12-14-2010 01:46 PM)MagicKnightmare Wrote:  

(12-14-2010 01:20 PM)whitey Wrote:  

(12-14-2010 12:01 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(12-14-2010 10:07 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  I believe ECU brings more to the table for The Big East than UCF. If markets are a concern than why add Orlando? I undertsand our games are already on the lowest tier there. If it's about support, ECU averaged over 10K per game more than UCF this season. Even though UCF was CUSA Champion. Bottomline is ECU is a football first program. That is what The Big East needs.
CJ

At the same time they only had 33k when they hosted CUSA championship while UCF had over 40k. Attendance fluctuates and it was just a couple years ago that UCF had a larger attendance than ECU. 10k right now is negligible. If you put USF, WVU, Pitt on UCF's schedule, they will sell out each of those games and then some.

We sell out playing CUSA teams, what do you think we would do with a BE schedule.

Still sell out? It can't get any better than sold-out can it?

Uh, yeah....it's called expansion. But we may not need it if the good fortunes don't roll our way. Either way, there was a answer to your question.

(12-14-2010 01:46 PM)MagicKnightmare Wrote:  Still sell out? It can't get any better than sold-out can it?

Yes, demand can make ticket prices go up or allow yout to expand.

Now that said, can we stop with the usual UCF - ECU pissing contest? Please only retort if you have new information, not the same **** that his littered this board for the past six months.

It is starting to seem that maybe it was not Buckaineer who was the problem.

(12-14-2010 02:00 PM)saxamoophone Wrote:  In 10 years UCF will have about 100,000 new alumni. I'm not worried about filling our 45,000 seat stadium!

Doesn't matter how many alumni you roll out if they don't pull for UCF (ie. UF, FSU and Miami), don't go to your games and watch other teams in your state on TV rather than UCF. Ah, but it doesn't matter and thus the argument I present falls on deaf ears. The BE isn't interested in capturing the market. All they need is to have the ability to sell advertising in that market...regardless of whether folks are watching or fill the stands. So you win anyway.

By the way, ECU should be at 35,000 very soon. That is not a small university and pumping out a substantial amount of alumni who actually do care about football. But again...it still doesn't matter and such is life.

All this is very simple and really not up for much debate. The BE is going to go to 10 teams. Nova is the top choice, but if they say no or take too long UCF will be the next in line. Only way it gets to whoever is next is if Nova says no and the BE demands that the 10th be a football only and UCF balks at the idea.

(12-14-2010 02:10 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(12-14-2010 01:46 PM)MagicKnightmare Wrote:  Still sell out? It can't get any better than sold-out can it?

Yes, demand can make ticket prices go up or allow yout to expand.

Now that said, can we stop with the usual UCF - ECU pissing contest? Please only retort if you have new information, not the same **** that his littered this board for the past six months.

It is starting to seem that maybe it was not Buckaineer who was the problem.

He was a problem, but another problem is we have fans who get very defensive over even the smallest slight about our university. We are very passionate about our school, which is a great thing but can get annoying on a forum like this when the same things keep getting brought up over and over again. I like reading this board, but it's not worth getting into any kind of argument over who is the best candidate. No potential candidates fans are ever going to agree on the subject and none of us have a bit of influence.

(12-14-2010 02:12 PM)apex_pirate Wrote:  Doesn't matter how many alumni you roll out if they don't pull for UCF (ie. UF, FSU and Miami), don't go to your games and watch other teams in your state on TV rather than UCF.

Spoiler Alert, that isn't the case anymore!
(I went to school in 2001 and it was a pretty big problem then....but the people with UF/FSU/Miami shirts on around campus has gone down to almost nothing IMO).

(12-14-2010 02:12 PM)apex_pirate Wrote:  Ah, but it doesn't matter and thus the argument I present falls on deaf ears. The BE isn't interested in capturing the market. All they need is to have the ability to sell advertising in that market...regardless of whether folks are watching or fill the stands. So you win anyway.

I agree that "butts in seats" is nothing compared to TV sets.

(12-14-2010 02:12 PM)apex_pirate Wrote:  By the way, ECU should be at 35,000 very soon. That is not a small university and pumping out a substantial amount of alumni who actually do care about football. But again...it still doesn't matter and such is life.

I agree again . Thats' why I would support ECU in the Big East too as Team #11.

(12-14-2010 02:10 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(12-14-2010 01:46 PM)MagicKnightmare Wrote:  Still sell out? It can't get any better than sold-out can it?

Yes, demand can make ticket prices go up or allow yout to expand.

Now that said, can we stop with the usual UCF - ECU pissing contest? Please only retort if you have new information, not the same **** that his littered this board for the past six months.

It is starting to seem that maybe it was not Buckaineer who was the problem.

I apologize, but if ECU gets any mention, UCF has to have a smart remark. I should not respond but you dis my school I hve to defend. You never see us start it.

(12-14-2010 02:45 PM)saxamoophone Wrote:  

(12-14-2010 02:12 PM)apex_pirate Wrote:  Doesn't matter how many alumni you roll out if they don't pull for UCF (ie. UF, FSU and Miami), don't go to your games and watch other teams in your state on TV rather than UCF.

Spoiler Alert, that isn't the case anymore!
(I went to school in 2001 and it was a pretty big problem then....but the people with UF/FSU/Miami shirts on around campus has gone down to almost nothing IMO).

(12-14-2010 02:12 PM)apex_pirate Wrote:  Ah, but it doesn't matter and thus the argument I present falls on deaf ears. The BE isn't interested in capturing the market. All they need is to have the ability to sell advertising in that market...regardless of whether folks are watching or fill the stands. So you win anyway.

I agree that "butts in seats" is nothing compared to TV sets.

(12-14-2010 02:12 PM)apex_pirate Wrote:  By the way, ECU should be at 35,000 very soon. That is not a small university and pumping out a substantial amount of alumni who actually do care about football. But again...it still doesn't matter and such is life.

I agree again . Thats' why I would support ECU in the Big East too as Team #11.

Glad I could appease you. Although I don't think it's butts vs. tv sets. You guys don't have either. What Orlando does have is the ability to put advertising in front of more people. It doesn't actually guarantee it will be on someone's tv set. That still depends on whether people are actually watching. Such is the lifestyle of Vegas-like conference honchos though and the odds may be tempting for those BE high rollers. By the way, you might want to check with some of your UCF friends on your spoiler alert. From everything I've heard it is still a huge problem at UCF. The Miami game from last year comes to mind as the topic passionate UCF fans were melting down about on your boards.