(12-11-2010 04:00 AM)TennesseeBoyintheRockies Wrote:  

(12-10-2010 08:26 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  The only comparison from any of these teams to the MAC is the Troy vs. BG game... so I am not sure why Troy is the favorite. OU did blow it against KSU, they totally colapsed... for that reason I think they will play with a chip on their shoulder and they will play a good game. OU is the weakest team bowling this year(MAC) so that game is probably a toss up.

FIU and MTSU both have 6 wins... I guess because they can't possibly play non conferance teams any worse than the SBC thats why their OOC is so tough. I think Miami and Toledo if they show up could blow out both teams. Yes blow out! 6 win SBC vs. 8 and 9 win MAC... the MAC schools have the best chances at a blowout, but the other could win. I cannot see in any simulation where FIU or MTSU blow out a MAC team just wont happen.

Very dangerous thinking, right there. I sometimes wonder if this is the same mentality that two years ago carried an 8-4 Dan LeFevour-led Central Michigan team to a 24-21 defeat at the hands of 6-6 Florida Atlantic in the Motor City Bowl?

FAU was coming off a narrow 7-point win against FIU and a 14-point loss to Arkansas State. Earlier in that same season, FAU only beat Western Kentucky by 4 points and Louisiana Monroe by a single point. They were blown out by Texas, Michigan State, and Minnesota and yet they still beat Central Michigan in Detroit.

I'm not prepared to say that the MAC will go 3-0 in this bowl season against the Sun Belt Conference. Granted, the MAC's only two wins in bowl games since 2006 were against Sun Belt teams, but both were accomplished by Central Michigan who is absent from the bowl season this year.

The MAC has only won the Detroit Motor City/Little Caesar's Pizza Bowl four times since 2000:

Central Michigan vs Middle Tennessee State (2006), Bowling Green vs Northwestern (2003), Toledo vs Cincinnati (2001), and Marshall vs Cincinnati (2000)

The MAC's run in Mobile, Alabama has faired much better with the MAC taking the first five contests since affiliation began, but has only managed to win one (CMU over Troy last year) in the past four seasons.

If you are Ohio, you HAVE to be concerned. Ohio has only been to a bowl game four times in its entire school history (two this decade), and it has managed to falter in all four including last year's stunner in the Little Caesar's Pizza Bowl against 6-6 Marshall!

Miami of Ohio has typically shown more success. It's last win in a bowl game was in the Mobile, Alabama Bowl against Louisville. This is the first bowl game since 2004 for the Redhawks.

all that you have said is true but has NOTHING to do with this year's game.

(12-11-2010 04:00 AM)TennesseeBoyintheRockies Wrote:  

(12-10-2010 08:26 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  The only comparison from any of these teams to the MAC is the Troy vs. BG game... so I am not sure why Troy is the favorite. OU did blow it against KSU, they totally colapsed... for that reason I think they will play with a chip on their shoulder and they will play a good game. OU is the weakest team bowling this year(MAC) so that game is probably a toss up.

FIU and MTSU both have 6 wins... I guess because they can't possibly play non conferance teams any worse than the SBC thats why their OOC is so tough. I think Miami and Toledo if they show up could blow out both teams. Yes blow out! 6 win SBC vs. 8 and 9 win MAC... the MAC schools have the best chances at a blowout, but the other could win. I cannot see in any simulation where FIU or MTSU blow out a MAC team just wont happen.

Very dangerous thinking, right there. I sometimes wonder if this is the same mentality that two years ago carried an 8-4 Dan LeFevour-led Central Michigan team to a 24-21 defeat at the hands of 6-6 Florida Atlantic in the Motor City Bowl?

FAU was coming off a narrow 7-point win against FIU and a 14-point loss to Arkansas State. Earlier in that same season, FAU only beat Western Kentucky by 4 points and Louisiana Monroe by a single point. They were blown out by Texas, Michigan State, and Minnesota and yet they still beat Central Michigan in Detroit.

I'm not prepared to say that the MAC will go 3-0 in this bowl season against the Sun Belt Conference. Granted, the MAC's only two wins in bowl games since 2006 were against Sun Belt teams, but both were accomplished by Central Michigan who is absent from the bowl season this year.

The MAC has only won the Detroit Motor City/Little Caesar's Pizza Bowl four times since 2000:

Central Michigan vs Middle Tennessee State (2006), Bowling Green vs Northwestern (2003), Toledo vs Cincinnati (2001), and Marshall vs Cincinnati (2000)

The MAC's run in Mobile, Alabama has faired much better with the MAC taking the first five contests since affiliation began, but has only managed to win one (CMU over Troy last year) in the past four seasons.

If you are Ohio, you HAVE to be concerned. Ohio has only been to a bowl game four times in its entire school history (two this decade), and it has managed to falter in all four including last year's stunner in the Little Caesar's Pizza Bowl against 6-6 Marshall!

Miami of Ohio has typically shown more success. It's last win in a bowl game was in the Mobile, Alabama Bowl against Louisville. This is the first bowl game since 2004 for the Redhawks.

CMU was the MAC's #3 team. If they had played FAU's OOC schedule they might have ended up with similiar records going into the MCB.

(12-10-2010 09:01 PM)niubrad00 Wrote:  

(12-10-2010 08:18 PM)trojans664 Wrote:  

(12-10-2010 12:31 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  

(12-10-2010 01:26 AM)trojans664 Wrote:  

(12-10-2010 12:41 AM)epasnoopy Wrote:  It SHOULD look like this:

Ohio - 3
SBC - zero

I understand this is the MAC board, and I won't change anyone's mind here about the SBC until we see the games, but I'm interested in what brings you to that conclusion...other than bias against the SBC. The only ,so called, expert predictions I've seen on the Troy/Ohio game have Troy winning. Troy is also favored to win by people who put actual money on the line. The other two MAC teams are favored by 1 to 1.5 points, and the non-conference schedules are not impressive for any team involved. I personally think that the most likely outcome will be a 2-1 split one way or the other, although I see no reason, with the teams being so evenly matched, that the Belt couldn't complete a sweep themselves.

Give me a single good win for any of the three SBC schools?

MTSU had to win its last game just to get to .500. They don't deserve a bowl game.

From the SBC games i have seen, none of the teams have looked good.

I wouldn't really say that the SBC has depth. I'd say more like there are no good teams so they all look even and it looks like there is depth. When WKU is playing almost all of the SBC down to the wire, that right there tells you there are no good teams.

How many 1-A OOC wins did the entire SBC have?

The answer to that question is none...zero good wins for the SBC this year. Now, the same question to you regarding the three MAC teams involved. The answer is EXACTLY the same. That is the point I've been trying to make. The only quality win of the entire MAC conference is Temple's win against UCONN, and they got snubbed. Army is borderline, but I don't think they beat any winning teams themselves.

Parity in the SBC would possibly have been a better choice of words to get my point across. The MAC has 5 teams with 2 conference wins or less where the SBC has only one team with 2 conference wins and none with less. That provided the other 8 MAC teams with a lot of easy wins along with all of those FCS games you guys played. Since we already agree that none of the teams involved in either conference have any OOC quality wins, I see three competitive games.

OK, you realize that the MAC has 13 teams and the Sun Belt has 9 right? Right? Also, the MAC has some quality at the top, and the Sun Belt is just bad, bad, bad.

Read the post. 5 bad teams referenced and 8 other teams....5+8=13. Yes I'm aware of the 13 teams in the MAC and that none of the teams participating in any bowl have any win that can be called quality. Teams that fail to win against quality ooc teams can't really be called quality. So the MAC has zero quality teams in the bowls this year. It's pretty simple.

If you look once again at the betting lines, you'll see that none of the MAC/SBC bowls have a line greater than 1.5 by anyone. Ohio opened as a 2.5 point favorite and the line has moved 4 full points now to make Troy a 1.5 point favorite. Only one game on the board has had more movement, and that is the USM/Louisville with a 5.5 point movement. Toledo opened as 5 point favorites, and it's now down to 1 or 1.5 points. This game has moved a minimum of 3.5 points and only the Troy/Ohio and USM/UL games have moved more out of the 35 bowl games. Miami opened as 3 point favs, and the line has moved 2 points to Miami -1. The explanation of this is that a lot of money has been placed on the SBC teams in the bowls by people who could care less about the politics of conference affiliation. They just want to make money.

FYI - the Tennessee guy posting here has no affiliation with any team in the SBC. He posts everywhere about everything.