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WVU AD Oliver Luck on Morgantown radio
Consensus among football schools to eventually go to 12. Conf. champ. game future goal.

Conference will give Nova time to make decision but he believes they will decide not to upgrade.

Mentioned Army, Navy, UH, UCF, ECU, and SMU as possibilitiies.

WVU schedule has gotten weak. Not a fan of FCS games, will be difficult to play Marshall on annual basis.
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great news! You'd never have heard that from Ed Pastilong, he always kept everything very close to the vest. 12 would be great! Would have to be either a split, or 20/12
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SMU won't happen...not with TCU on board, imo. They'd expand to Houston before doubling up on Dallas, I think. I think they'll take one more all-sports soon to play by 2012 and Nova will decline. They'll eventually get to 12 by 2014...maybe sooner and Houston and ECU will be involved in that, if Nova declines. If Nova does move up...then it'll be Houstonas the 12th and as a travel partner for TCU.
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If it's 12, then UCF is pretty much a guarantee, and I'd say Houston very likely. Then it gets down to what Villanova does. If they move up, then we're at 12. If they don't, then I think the choice will be ECU or Memphis.

It is very encouraging to hear that the FB schools have a consensus to move to 12. Obviously what is left unsaid is how the BB schools feel about this.
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Also...if he's not a fan of the FCS games...how is it difficult to play Marshall on an annual basis. I think it's great for the state and schools. Maybe it was the close call this year that brought up that thinking.
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If Army and Navy wanted in I'd have them in a heartbeat and I'd consider expansion a HUGE success no matter who filled out the final spot. I'm absolutely certain that anyone who has ever attended a college football game at either academy would feel the same way. They are special and they have HUGE national followings. I would be THRILLED to be partnered with either one of them. Alas, I don't think Army or Navy is particularly interested in joining the Big East so unless we really do some smooth talking we are likely going to have to choose from some less attractive options (no pun intended).

My pecking order (of realistic choices) would be:
1.) Navy - national following, geographically desireable, great tradition
2.) Army - see Navy
3.) Central Flroida - most potential of anyone being considered
4.) East Carolina - most passionate fan base of anyone being considered
5.) Memphis - no NFL competition and MEM has already proven that it can win in one of the two major sports
6.) Houston - lukewarm on the Cougars but at least Houston is a large market and they have been good in football and hoops in the past
7.) Southern Methodist - even less enthusiastic about the Mustangs because of market dupilcation but it might be cool to have a fierce BE rivalry play out right in the heart of Texas

I do not wish to see Villanova at all and I'm even less enthusiastic about re-partnering with Temple. Philadelphia is just a terrible college football city and it likely always will be, IMHO. It is fool's gold.

Still, how cool would it be if teams 9-12 were Notre Dame, Navy, and Army? It's a pipe dream I know but that would be AWESOME! Do the zipper concept that the Pac-12 briefly flirted with and you'd be set.

It could break down like this or something like this:
Army --- Navy
Syracuse --- Rutgers
Louisville --- Cincinnati
West Virginia --- Pittsburgh
Texas Christian --- South Florida
Connecticut --- Notre Dame

That would be ridiculously sweet. Even if you replaced ND with UCF that would be cool. Even Villanova instead of ND wouldn't make me want to puke if it meant that we had the academies on board. Unfortunately I don't think the interest is mutual as, like Notre Dame, the academies are in the rare position of being able to schedule pretty much whomever they want. Wisely, they like being able to ensure their competitiveness through prudent scheduling and joining a BCS caliber league would severely compromise that advantage.
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(12-01-2010 10:12 AM)Goldenbuc Wrote:  Also...if he's not a fan of the FCS games...how is it difficult to play Marshall on an annual basis. I think it's great for the state and schools. Maybe it was the close call this year that brought up that thinking.

WVU has been against playing Marshall from the beginning - it does nothing at all to benefit West Virginia University, or the state. It's only benefit is to help prop up Marshall.
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I think Nova, Army, and Navy say no. USF blocks UCF since they are vehemently opposed to UCF per Tom Luicci. That leaves Houston, ECU, and Memphis.
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The football schools may want 12 teams but on November 2nd the marching orders given were 10. With the addition of TCU that leaves room for (1). I cant see Nova making the move; if they lost $4 million in a year they won their National title I cant see them making the $25 million comitment to moving to the next level. As much as I believe that ECU is the best choice it's inconcievable to me that they wont take UCF. Further down the road I do forsee another round of expansion for the Big East but not now. 10 will be it.
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(12-01-2010 10:30 AM)Brick City Pirate Wrote:  I think Nova, Army, and Navy say no. USF blocks UCF since they are vehemently opposed to UCF per Tom Luicci. That leaves Houston, ECU, and Memphis.

It's really hard for me to believe USF has the power to block UCF. I believe 3/4 vote is still the rule so USF would have to sway some others.
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Luck...is blowing smoke. TCU will not be in the same conference as SMU... for Luck to indicate SMU means his comments are pure subterfuge... probably to get someone on the fence to accept a Football only invite....
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(12-01-2010 10:18 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  My pecking order (of realistic choices) would be:
1.) Navy - national following, geographically desireable, great tradition
2.) Army - see Navy

Another advantage is they would presumably be football only, so they wouldn't increase the size of the basketball league.
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(12-01-2010 10:37 AM)No Bull Wrote:  Luck...is blowing smoke. TCU will not be in the same conference as SMU... for Luck to indicate SMU means his comments are pure subterfuge... probably to get someone on the fence to accept a Football only invite....


What is TCU going to do - go back to the MWC? They are not in position to dictate to the BE what expansion options should be looked at.
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SMU + TCU gets you significant coverage in DFW. TCU + UH gets you so-so coverage in DFW and Houston. Better to have major penetration in a major market than so-so penetration in two of them imho.
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(12-01-2010 10:37 AM)No Bull Wrote:  Luck...is blowing smoke. TCU will not be in the same conference as SMU... for Luck to indicate SMU means his comments are pure subterfuge... probably to get someone on the fence to accept a Football only invite....

He doesn't have to say what he said publically to get the great UCF to accept a football only offer. If the UCF leadership doesn't already know that there are other good schools that would take a football only offer, then UCF needs new leadership.
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Virginia Tech AD Jim Weaver was on the radio three weeks ago commenting on a conversation he had with Oliver Luck earlier in the day. When pressed Weaver aknowledged that WVU was VERY concerned with the long term future of Big East football and the possibility of another raid by another conference. He didnt go into any specifics but I found it very interesting that Weaver would say that on his radio show. I cant imagine Luck was overly thrilled with Weaver over this.
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(12-01-2010 10:33 AM)Brent St Pierre Wrote:  The football schools may want 12 teams but on November 2nd the marching orders given were 10. With the addition of TCU that leaves room for (1). I cant see Nova making the move; if they lost $4 million in a year they won their National title I cant see them making the $25 million comitment to moving to the next level. As much as I believe that ECU is the best choice it's inconcievable to me that they wont take UCF. Further down the road I do forsee another round of expansion for the Big East but not now. 10 will be it.

Villanova would be crazy not to accept this offer. It would be a financial windfall. It's not like they're taking on a new expenditure. They already have football & they're already losing money on the program. The only way for them to cut their losses is to upgrade or to drop the sport altogether. The latter is not going to happen, so I see an upgrade as inevitable once they crunch the numbers on their bottom line.

As for a $25 million commitment to move to the next level, it's an investment, not an expense. Return on investment will be enormous. If they can't raise the money, they can borrow it & spread the payments out over 20 years, so that it doesn't impact the budget much all at once.

This is really a no brainer for Villanova with benefits on a variety of different fronts. While it may not be the best thing for Big East Football, I can't imagine Villanova turning this opportunity down. The economics of college sports has changed enormously since 1997 when they turned down the conference's last offer. The addition of TCU only makes the prospects for the conference more solid than they were before. If schools like BC & TCU of similar size/location & with a similar academic mission can make football work, so can Villanova.
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At least now UCF fans can't say that no credible source has ever mentioned ECU, even though I don't take this very seriously at all.
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That's two credible sources in 2 days. The Big East Official cited in the Star-Ledger yesterday and today the WVU AD.

If UCF turns down a football only, ECU gets the nod. UCF doesn't have nearly the clout to be dictating to the Big East what sports will be included in any invite the way Texas Christian did.
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(12-01-2010 10:52 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  At least now UCF fans can't say that no credible source has ever mentioned ECU, even though I don't take this very seriously at all.

Luck has always been a big ECU supporter, he has mentioned them several times, I'm actually more surprised that he mentioned UCF than ECU... This may be the first time he has done so...
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