(12-01-2010 12:37 PM)LuDawg Wrote:  

(12-01-2010 12:16 PM)Goldenbuc Wrote:  You're not stating fact...you're stating wishful thinking. Many believe that the Big East already had UCF in place and UCF was the 1st choice all along, before TCU. UCF was to be an all-sports invite from the beginning. TCU may have been approached TCU with a football only at first that they turned down...after discussion...the BE decided to go ahead with two new all-sports members and let Villanova take their time.

PROVE IT. "Many believe"...so what? Based on what? Media speculation or from what Big East administrators and officers have said point-blank? Show me where UCF is in place as the 1st choice for an all-sports invite. Where is this proof you're talking about that's "fact"? PROVE IT. UCF fans are so delusional they're starting to believe their own made up lies.

The fact is, the Big East agreed to expand it's FOOTBALL membership by 2. That is the fact you're looking for. TCU was extended a football only, which it shot down in the media. A few weeks later, they accepted a full invitation. They had the leverage for doing so. UCF isn't even in the same universe as TCU from that perspective.

If UCF gets offered anything, it will likely be football only which is what the Big East presidents agreed to expand. It will be up to your president to take it or leave it.

Where's your proof? You just make up bits and pieces of message board rumors you want to hear regarding ECU and present them as fact..but when ECU is not favored and UCF is (which isn 9/10 times these days)...you call it out as false.

I never said anything I said was fact...just stating what is out there. The only FACT there will be and proof will be on the day the Big East makes an announcement on who is #10. And it's not giong to be Villanova as #10. Everything is leading to UCF as the next choice from most reports and people in the Big East. Do some research and read around, other than just mixing and matching what you want from the message boards. You sound like a whiney brat whose hangin on for dear life and grasping as straws. You look desperate.

ECU isn't just a river in Egypt.

I think the real reason BE wants to go to 12 teams is to survive a potential Big Ten raid...and the stated goal of a conference championship game is smoke.

(12-01-2010 03:28 PM)TennesseeBoyintheRockies Wrote:  

(12-01-2010 10:00 AM)bk1714 Wrote:  Consensus among football schools to eventually go to 12. Conf. champ. game future goal.

Conference will give Nova time to make decision but he believes they will decide not to upgrade.

Mentioned Army, Navy, UH, UCF, ECU, and SMU as possibilitiies.

WVU schedule has gotten weak. Not a fan of FCS games, will be difficult to play Marshall on annual basis.

SMU and Houston? I'm not surprised by that at all, but boy is the Big East really living up to it's name! That's one BIG East!! Not just the east coast anymore!

and Penn State made the 11th member of the Big 10; Arizona and Arizona State are nowhere near the Pacific Ocean

the Big 12 is now down to 10

the Mountain West has invited Hawaii; Louisiana Tech plays in the Western Athletic Conference

I think people would be hard pressed to say that Arkansas is in the southeast

shall I go on?

(12-01-2010 05:03 PM)Goldenbuc Wrote:  

(12-01-2010 12:37 PM)LuDawg Wrote:  

(12-01-2010 12:16 PM)Goldenbuc Wrote:  You're not stating fact...you're stating wishful thinking. Many believe that the Big East already had UCF in place and UCF was the 1st choice all along, before TCU. UCF was to be an all-sports invite from the beginning. TCU may have been approached TCU with a football only at first that they turned down...after discussion...the BE decided to go ahead with two new all-sports members and let Villanova take their time.

PROVE IT. "Many believe"...so what? Based on what? Media speculation or from what Big East administrators and officers have said point-blank? Show me where UCF is in place as the 1st choice for an all-sports invite. Where is this proof you're talking about that's "fact"? PROVE IT. UCF fans are so delusional they're starting to believe their own made up lies.

The fact is, the Big East agreed to expand it's FOOTBALL membership by 2. That is the fact you're looking for. TCU was extended a football only, which it shot down in the media. A few weeks later, they accepted a full invitation. They had the leverage for doing so. UCF isn't even in the same universe as TCU from that perspective.

If UCF gets offered anything, it will likely be football only which is what the Big East presidents agreed to expand. It will be up to your president to take it or leave it.

Where's your proof? You just make up bits and pieces of message board rumors you want to hear regarding ECU and present them as fact..but when ECU is not favored and UCF is (which isn 9/10 times these days)...you call it out as false.

I never said anything I said was fact...just stating what is out there. The only FACT there will be and proof will be on the day the Big East makes an announcement on who is #10. And it's not giong to be Villanova as #10. Everything is leading to UCF as the next choice from most reports and people in the Big East. Do some research and read around, other than just mixing and matching what you want from the message boards. You sound like a whiney brat whose hangin on for dear life and grasping as straws. You look desperate.

ECU isn't just a river in Egypt.

he's a troll-ignore him

and you're right about him being a whiny brat

(12-01-2010 12:37 PM)LuDawg Wrote:  

(12-01-2010 12:16 PM)Goldenbuc Wrote:  You're not stating fact...you're stating wishful thinking. Many believe that the Big East already had UCF in place and UCF was the 1st choice all along, before TCU. UCF was to be an all-sports invite from the beginning. TCU may have been approached TCU with a football only at first that they turned down...after discussion...the BE decided to go ahead with two new all-sports members and let Villanova take their time.

PROVE IT. "Many believe"...so what? Based on what? Media speculation or from what Big East administrators and officers have said point-blank? Show me where UCF is in place as the 1st choice for an all-sports invite. Where is this proof you're talking about that's "fact"? PROVE IT. UCF fans are so delusional they're starting to believe their own made up lies.

The fact is, the Big East agreed to expand it's FOOTBALL membership by 2. That is the fact you're looking for. TCU was extended a football only, which it shot down in the media. A few weeks later, they accepted a full invitation. They had the leverage for doing so. UCF isn't even in the same universe as TCU from that perspective.

If UCF gets offered anything, it will likely be football only which is what the Big East presidents agreed to expand. It will be up to your president to take it or leave it.

Dude, you was warned yesterday for trolling/flaming. Enjoy your chats on the CUSA Board cuzz you're gone from here.

UCFL needs to chill out as well.

(12-01-2010 03:49 PM)UCFL Wrote:  ECU fans don't get the fact that they have no media market. The Big East is not going to make money off of schools in sleepy little college towns like Greenville, N.C. Its nothing to get upset about, just facts. Heck if they were going to add "small town" schools, why not add USM?

I don't agree with that. You guys have a very good team that from my perspective will beat SMU and win CUSA. With a nationally ranked team in a city of 2 million people, why hasn't the stadium been sold out for any game this year? The stadium not being full is a reflection of market interest.

I am not going to highjack the thread. If anyone wants to discuss this further than we can start a separate thread.

(12-01-2010 07:40 PM)Raleighwood Pirate Wrote:  

(12-01-2010 03:49 PM)UCFL Wrote:  ECU fans don't get the fact that they have no media market. The Big East is not going to make money off of schools in sleepy little college towns like Greenville, N.C. Its nothing to get upset about, just facts. Heck if they were going to add "small town" schools, why not add USM?

I don't agree with that. You guys have a very good team that from my perspective will beat SMU and win CUSA. With a nationally ranked team in a city of 2 million people, why hasn't the stadium been sold out for any game this year? The stadium not being full is a reflection of market interest.

I am not going to highjack the thread. If anyone wants to discuss this further than we can start a separate thread.

I don't understand you guys keep bashing us with a lack of support or something, which is obviously not true. You guys hosted the CUSA championship game last year and drew 33k. We have already outsold that number and the week is only half over. There is no reason to keep bringing up attendance as we both are top of our conference. I don't get all the hate from a few of you ECU posters. Lets not turn this into a pissing match.

Personally, I feel that ECU and SMU add no significant value to sports and especially to market value. ECU fits perfectly into the Conference USA. The past two years ECU has finished 1st in their conference with a 9-5 record which shows they add no football value to Beast. Just think if they joined the Beast their best season may be 7-7 or 8-6. Also, the past two bowl games verus at the time bad BCS teams Kentucky and Arkansas ECU lost in both. I feel UCF and Houston are the two teams the Beast should add. They add two great markets and provide great potential in their athletics. Plus both of the teams add great recruiting ground for other big east teams.

(12-01-2010 07:51 PM)natibeast21 Wrote:  Personally, I feel that ECU and SMU add no significant value to sports and especially to market value. ECU fits perfectly into the Conference USA. The past two years ECU has finished 1st in their conference with a 9-5 record which shows they add no football value to Beast. Just think if they joined the Beast their best season may be 7-7 or 8-6. Also, the past two bowl games verus at the time bad BCS teams Kentucky and Arkansas ECU lost in both. I feel UCF and Houston are the two teams the Beast should add. They add two great markets and provide great potential in their athletics. Plus both of the teams add great recruiting ground for other big east teams.

See, this is the perfect example of what I'm talking about, and I'm not trying to be offensive towards natibeast.

#1-You cannot assume that that ANY team would not be successful if they were given the AQ benefits. Did ECU win the first ever back to back championships? Yes. Were we world beaters who could've come into the Big East and won the conference after 1 year? No. However, don't be naive here and think that Cincinnati football was in any better of a position football wise than we were/are when the Bearcats were invited.

#2-That Arkansas team could've won the Big East last year.

#3-UCF & Houston add 2 great markets? I will probably never understand this train of thought from BE fans. Why would you EVER think that UCF and Houston could deliver those two markets? It's a ridiculous train of thought, and the fact that it is so common among BE fans(and possibly even administration) just goes to show that this conference will always be the BCS bottom dweller. Nobody in either city cares about either school. Both markets are already saturated when it comes to football.

#4-Recruiting?!? The BE already has plenty of recruiting presence in FL. Just look at the rosters of many of the BE schools. You already have USF & TCU, which gives you a definite presence in both recruiting hotbeds. I would be willing to bet that adding Houston & UCF would do absolutely nothing for Cincinnati Bearcat football recruiting.

The BE needs to improve their on the field product. I'm not saying East Carolina gives you that. I think we'd help more than anybody else, but this whole notion of the importance of markets and all is hilarious to me. Notice that not a single conference change so far has had anything to do with any sort of specific television markets.....

(12-01-2010 08:19 PM)NashvillePirate Wrote:  

(12-01-2010 07:51 PM)natibeast21 Wrote:  Personally, I feel that ECU and SMU add no significant value to sports and especially to market value. ECU fits perfectly into the Conference USA. The past two years ECU has finished 1st in their conference with a 9-5 record which shows they add no football value to Beast. Just think if they joined the Beast their best season may be 7-7 or 8-6. Also, the past two bowl games verus at the time bad BCS teams Kentucky and Arkansas ECU lost in both. I feel UCF and Houston are the two teams the Beast should add. They add two great markets and provide great potential in their athletics. Plus both of the teams add great recruiting ground for other big east teams.

See, this is the perfect example of what I'm talking about, and I'm not trying to be offensive towards natibeast.

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#3-UCF & Houston add 2 great markets? I will probably never understand this train of thought from BE fans. Why would you EVER think that UCF and Houston could deliver those two markets? It's a ridiculous train of thought, and the fact that it is so common among BE fans(and possibly even administration) just goes to show that this conference will always be the BCS bottom dweller. Nobody in either city cares about either school. Both markets are already saturated when it comes to football.

You lost all credibility right there. Stop trolling ECU fans.

(12-01-2010 10:40 AM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  SMU + TCU gets you significant coverage in DFW. TCU + UH gets you so-so coverage in DFW and Houston. Better to have major penetration in a major market than so-so penetration in two of them imho.

Agree to an extent. But keep in mind Houston may be being backed by Comcast.

Cheers,
Neil

(12-01-2010 10:00 AM)bk1714 Wrote:  Consensus among football schools to eventually go to 12. Conf. champ. game future goal.

Conference will give Nova time to make decision but he believes they will decide not to upgrade.

Mentioned Army, Navy, UH, UCF, ECU, and SMU as possibilitiies.

WVU schedule has gotten weak. Not a fan of FCS games, will be difficult to play Marshall on annual basis.

If Nova decides to upgrade, it will be UCF and UH.

Cheers,
Neil

(12-01-2010 08:22 PM)UCFL Wrote:  

(12-01-2010 08:19 PM)NashvillePirate Wrote:  

(12-01-2010 07:51 PM)natibeast21 Wrote:  Personally, I feel that ECU and SMU add no significant value to sports and especially to market value. ECU fits perfectly into the Conference USA. The past two years ECU has finished 1st in their conference with a 9-5 record which shows they add no football value to Beast. Just think if they joined the Beast their best season may be 7-7 or 8-6. Also, the past two bowl games verus at the time bad BCS teams Kentucky and Arkansas ECU lost in both. I feel UCF and Houston are the two teams the Beast should add. They add two great markets and provide great potential in their athletics. Plus both of the teams add great recruiting ground for other big east teams.

See, this is the perfect example of what I'm talking about, and I'm not trying to be offensive towards natibeast.

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#3-UCF & Houston add 2 great markets? I will probably never understand this train of thought from BE fans. Why would you EVER think that UCF and Houston could deliver those two markets? It's a ridiculous train of thought, and the fact that it is so common among BE fans(and possibly even administration) just goes to show that this conference will always be the BCS bottom dweller. Nobody in either city cares about either school. Both markets are already saturated when it comes to football.

You lost all credibility right there. Stop trolling ECU fans.

Just curious, but how did I lose any credibility?

NashvillePirate can you give me your reasons ECU should be invited over UCF? Not arguing just want to hear. I agree ECU is probably better for the next 2-3 immediate years, but long term I think UCF could be a great program resembling the West Virginia program year in and year out(possibly). I just don't feel ECU adds anything to this league. They are no better than UC at football and UC is not looked at as "good football" nationally at all, and the big east needs teams that will provide "good football" short term(TCU) and long term (possibly UCF). Also, I hate to say it again, but obviously markets matter because in almost every article it states how good of markets the big east is in and how they can line up for a great deal in TV contracts or whatever. Again, want to hear your reasons ECU would be a good addition thanks.