(11-01-2010 08:50 PM)papablastter Wrote:  

(11-01-2010 05:13 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(11-01-2010 04:15 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(11-01-2010 04:12 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(11-01-2010 12:01 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  At this point ECU has done everything it is capable of doing to be ready. Expanded the stadium, filled the stadium, upgraded every single athletic facility, won back to back championships, so if it isn't enough then it never will be. It's as simple as that. We will have tough decisions to make if we get left behind again.

And you can almost bet the house...ECU will not be going anywhere. It just is not in the cards at this time. Regardless..We will be fine.

If this does happen, that UCF joins the BE and ECU doesn't, I hope the series will continue at least occasionally (as I hope UCF-Marshall continues off and on). The internet bad blood aside, I think ECU is a good program and would be my choice to join the BE along with us.

You know...When the "super conference" stuff finally shakes out...There are going to be a few schools left out in the cold. I fully expect that ECU will be one of them. When that happens...I expect to see the price of scheduling teams like ECU for OOC play to jump astronomically. Nothing would please me more than to see the "have nots" simply gouge the hell out of the "haves"...BCS schools can only play a limited number of lower division opponents and remain in the BCS. Maybe those that are left will just join together and use the rules to set up their own little syndicate.

Well i doubt it's gonna go to high cuz if you think they can just triple the rate you would loose out
1. they would go to like 10 or 11 confrence games
2. they would schedule other BCS schools h@h cheaper then non aq schools
Then you will be playing alot of fcs schools on your schedule

You make good points..but..are you typing on your Iphone?

(11-01-2010 09:40 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(11-01-2010 08:50 PM)papablastter Wrote:  

(11-01-2010 05:13 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(11-01-2010 04:15 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(11-01-2010 04:12 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  And you can almost bet the house...ECU will not be going anywhere. It just is not in the cards at this time. Regardless..We will be fine.

If this does happen, that UCF joins the BE and ECU doesn't, I hope the series will continue at least occasionally (as I hope UCF-Marshall continues off and on). The internet bad blood aside, I think ECU is a good program and would be my choice to join the BE along with us.

You know...When the "super conference" stuff finally shakes out...There are going to be a few schools left out in the cold. I fully expect that ECU will be one of them. When that happens...I expect to see the price of scheduling teams like ECU for OOC play to jump astronomically. Nothing would please me more than to see the "have nots" simply gouge the hell out of the "haves"...BCS schools can only play a limited number of lower division opponents and remain in the BCS. Maybe those that are left will just join together and use the rules to set up their own little syndicate.

Well i doubt it's gonna go to high cuz if you think they can just triple the rate you would loose out
1. they would go to like 10 or 11 confrence games
2. they would schedule other BCS schools h@h cheaper then non aq schools
Then you will be playing alot of fcs schools on your schedule

You make good points..but..are you typing on your Iphone?

sad to say but i dont even own a cell phone period :( Looking into an EVo tho

(11-01-2010 09:28 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(11-01-2010 06:49 PM)thatsnotgrass Wrote:  Maybe this year has been a blessing in disguise. A down year that pushed the Presidents into panic mode.

I was hoping for Kansas, Kansas St., and Missouri.

I'll take TCU and UCF/ECU for now but would love to add Kansas because its a national brand that you can't say no to.

One thing that I know about the folks who lead the BE is that they do not react from panic. Every move they have ever made regarding expansion, has always been slow, deliberate and cautious. I would be surprised if this one bad season is the reason they are looking to make moves now.

I believe it is a combination of things-this horrid season being one of them. The BCS bid is threatened. Expansion is looming from the other BCS conferences. Schedules are getting harder to set up. Revenues are growing tremendously for other league.

My guess is that the big announcement that is about to come out in Nova agreeingto move there program up.

(11-01-2010 09:11 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(11-01-2010 09:01 PM)TigerPete Wrote:  I am shocked how Memphis has gone from one of the leading candidates to not mentioned. Memphis is obviously having a poor rebuilding season in football that is swaying the board talk. This past summer many were okay with the Tigers being taken (when the UCF and Memphis rumors were hot) and certainly most would have had them in their top 4 candidates. Amazing how it has changed in a few months.

Wrong. I consistently hated the idea of Memphis joining the BE from the very beginning. The only people that were on board were a few who lost their marbles for a moment and were hoping to reunite with an "old friend". Cooler heads are now prevailing, and the majority on here now realize that Memphis will NEVER be able to play the quality of football that the BE conf truly needs. The BE is not the Dept of Welfare...

Wrong? You are wrong. I read this board almost daily and MOST were in favor. This is just your opinion. It is obvious your disgust for Memphis which is your opinion. I think it is funny that to make you feel better about yourself you have to position yourself in an arrogant posture towards other schools. 9 out of 10 of your posts are cutting down other people or schools. Just keep in mind the exact "below you" way you view my school is the same way the 5 other BCS conferences view your beloved Pitt Panthers. I don't think I would be too cocky.

(11-01-2010 09:18 PM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  

(11-01-2010 09:11 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(11-01-2010 09:01 PM)TigerPete Wrote:  I am shocked how Memphis has gone from one of the leading candidates to not mentioned. Memphis is obviously having a poor rebuilding season in football that is swaying the board talk. This past summer many were okay with the Tigers being taken (when the UCF and Memphis rumors were hot) and certainly most would have had them in their top 4 candidates. Amazing how it has changed in a few months.

Wrong. I consistently hated the idea of Memphis joining the BE from the very beginning. The only people that were on board were a few who lost their marbles for a moment and were hoping to reunite with an "old friend". Cooler heads are now prevailing, and the majority on here now realize that Memphis will NEVER be able to play the quality of football that the BE conf truly needs. The BE is not the Dept of Welfare...

Now now Miko be nice......it could be Christmas Eve for all of us here and some since of where the conference is going could be revealed...play nice and friendly

Some (certainly not all) of you guys act like you are God's gift to college football conferences. What I find funny is that not one of your stinking programs is even ranked in a poll right now! Get over yourselves. You are the weakest BCS conference. Count it a blessing other schools want to join your nice conference. I certainly am a fan of your conference, but some of you need a reality check of where you stand in the big scheme of things.

(11-01-2010 09:59 PM)No Bull Wrote:  My guess is that the big announcement that is about to come out in Nova agreeingto move there program up.

As I have repeated said...Why not? If your neighbors offer to help remodel or help build you a new home and also bring some folks in to clean it and mow the grass...Why not take advantage of their generosity?

It is called a NO Lose situation......I fully expect Nova to make the jump...If they don't....The BE members should get together and throw their asses out of the neighborhood on their ungrateful heads.

(11-01-2010 10:02 PM)TigerPete Wrote:  

(11-01-2010 09:11 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(11-01-2010 09:01 PM)TigerPete Wrote:  I am shocked how Memphis has gone from one of the leading candidates to not mentioned. Memphis is obviously having a poor rebuilding season in football that is swaying the board talk. This past summer many were okay with the Tigers being taken (when the UCF and Memphis rumors were hot) and certainly most would have had them in their top 4 candidates. Amazing how it has changed in a few months.

Wrong. I consistently hated the idea of Memphis joining the BE from the very beginning. The only people that were on board were a few who lost their marbles for a moment and were hoping to reunite with an "old friend". Cooler heads are now prevailing, and the majority on here now realize that Memphis will NEVER be able to play the quality of football that the BE conf truly needs. The BE is not the Dept of Welfare...

Wrong? You are wrong. I read this board almost daily and MOST were in favor. This is just your opinion. It is obvious your disgust for Memphis which is your opinion. I think it is funny that to make you feel better about yourself you have to position yourself in an arrogant posture towards other schools. 9 out of 10 of your posts are cutting down other people or schools. Just keep in mind the exact "below you" way you view my school is the same way the 5 other BCS conferences view your beloved Pitt Panthers. I don't think I would be too cocky.

I wish Memphis was in a position to be included. I would prefer the Tigers to Houston, except....for whatever reason the Memphis administration has failed their fans it appears to an outsider.

The day UofL and UC were invited to the BE was the day Memphis needed to do WHATEVER was required to place themselves in the position that at the next expansion there would be no question but that Memphis was the first team to be picked.

UM has potentially great fan support; why did the AD and school prez agree to a renovation of the old LB? - they needed to demand a new stadium. Why didn't they hire a GREAT FB coach to create a strong program with a national identity? Why didn't UM play on any ESPN network any day of the week to get exposure?

The list of things UofL did in prep of expansion was endless. With the fan support UM can count on, sitting on hands by your AD is hard to imagine.

In the end, if Memphis is excluded I would be REALLY angry at the AD and school prez - there was no doubt this day was coming. Can't blame anyone else for this; can't blame the BE.

Too bad. I would like Memphis in.

(11-01-2010 11:50 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(11-01-2010 11:44 AM)Raleighwood Pirate Wrote:  However, what Florida is for football NC is for basketball recruits. We put out the best recruits in the country in basketball.

Is that really true? North Carolina might have the best college basketball fans in the country, but I don't know if it's really the best recruiting ground. NYC and Chicago have produced a disproportionate share of basketball stars over the past 30 years, and other large urban areas (LA, DC, Philly, Detroit) are close behind. Out of the "smaller" states with lots of college basketball fans, Indiana seems to be an unusually fertile basketball recruiting ground compared to its overall population.

I'll take the alltime North Carolina prep basketball team and drag NYC and Chicago combined. Hell throw in the rest of NY and IL as well. My list doesnt even include Prep school guys like Tracey McGrady that played at Mt. Zion. Marovich technically from WV, but played his HS ball at Broughton in Raleigh.

PG-Pete Marovich/Chris Paul/Phil Ford/John Wall
SG-Michael Jordan/Jerry Stackhouse
SF-Dominique Wilkins/David Thompson/Walter Davis
PF-James Worthy/David West/Rodney Rogers
C-Walt Bellamy/Brad Dougherty/Bob Macadoo

Other notables
PG-Bobby Jackson
SG-Gerald Wilkins
SG-Blue Edwards
PF-Todd Fuller
PG-Darrell Armstrong
SG-Henry Bibby
PF-Danny Manning
C-Tom Burleson
G-Sleepy Floyd
SF-Josh Howard
F-Sam Jones
G/F-Lou Hudson
F-Cedrick Maxwell
PG-Eric Maynor
C-Brendan Haywood
G/F-Rashad Mccants
G-Nate MacMillan
F-Shavlik Randolph

I could go on and on.

(11-01-2010 10:46 PM)VaCardinal Wrote:  I wish Memphis was in a position to be included. I would prefer the Tigers to Houston, except....for whatever reason the Memphis administration has failed their fans it appears to an outsider.

Don't get me started on our AD. I'll just leave it at I'm not a fan and think he has no vision.

The day UofL and UC were invited to the BE was the day Memphis needed to do WHATEVER was required to place themselves in the position that at the next expansion there would be no question but that Memphis was the first team to be picked.

See my past comment.

UM has potentially great fan support; why did the AD and school prez agree to a renovation of the old LB? - they needed to demand a new stadium.

I'm not privy to all the discussions, but I'm willing to bet a month's salary there were more than a few political considerations/pressures that forced the University's hand.

Why didn't they hire a GREAT FB coach to create a strong program with a national identity?

After Tommy West's rant, I'm not sure we could have gone out and hired anyone on any list. See my first comment.

Why didn't UM play on any ESPN network any day of the week to get exposure?

You only get those if you win enough to be interesting...and in the last 4-1/2 years, we haven't done that. (although we did have two bowl appearances in that span)

The list of things UofL did in prep of expansion was endless. With the fan support UM can count on, sitting on hands by your AD is hard to imagine.

Can we borrow Jurich for a few years? Maybe you guys can give his successor a few practice years.

In the end, if Memphis is excluded I would be REALLY angry at the AD and school prez - there was no doubt this day was coming. Can't blame anyone else for this; can't blame the BE.

If the BE expands and we're not in, RC Johnson should be escorted out of the building the following morning. The way he allowed football to decline by putting up with continued mediocrity is simple inexcusable. I believe RCJ is a short-timer anyway, but I don't think we're making his time short enough.

Too bad. I would like Memphis in.

I would like to be in...but I refuse to hold my breath or even be optimistic about it.

See my comments in red.

Despite all that, I still think we do have something to offer...but it's pathetic that our football has sunk to the level it has when everyone knew this day was coming. I know there were a lot of advanced conversations between us and the BE in recent years...I hope that still means something, but I'm not holding my breath.

If schools like ECU and UM doesn't get in.. I really feel for them. They deserve it because of their fanbase. These days its all about the corporation and the media.... what do they want to get their pot of gold? How can we get it and so on....

(11-01-2010 11:35 PM)oasispirate Wrote:  I'll take the alltime North Carolina prep basketball team and drag NYC and Chicago combined. Hell throw in the rest of NY and IL as well.
PG-Pete Marovich/Chris Paul/Phil Ford/John Wall
SG-Michael Jordan/Jerry Stackhouse
SF-Dominique Wilkins/David Thompson/Walter Davis
PF-James Worthy/David West/Rodney Rogers
C-Walt Bellamy/Brad Dougherty/Bob Macadoo

Other notables...blah...

I could go on and on.

All-time NBA/ABA NY born players: 284 NC: 100
All-Time NBA/ABA NY born 10K+ pts scorers: 39 NC: 14

This is a team made up of just the NYC/LI prep stars in the HOF:

PG Bob Cousey, Lenny Wilkins, Tiny Archibald, Larry Brown
SG Dr J, D.ick McGuire, Bobby Wanzer
SF Dolph Schayes
PF Connie Hawkins, Billy Cunningham
C Kareem

A few other NYC stars, excuding even those players born post 1980:
Bernard King, Chris Mullin, Mark Jackson, Kevin Loughery, Vinny Johnson, Lamar Odom, Jamal Mashburn, Ron Artest, Kenny Smith, Rod Strickland

You sure you are willing to throw in Upstate NY's pre-1980 born notebale products as well?:
Bob Lanier (HOF), Al Cervi (HOF), Pat Riley, Cliff Robinson, George Cater, Sam Parkins, Rick Carlisle, Elton Brand, Christian Laettner, Danny Schayes, John Wallace, Walter Dukes

(11-01-2010 10:11 PM)TigerPete Wrote:  

(11-01-2010 09:18 PM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  

(11-01-2010 09:11 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(11-01-2010 09:01 PM)TigerPete Wrote:  I am shocked how Memphis has gone from one of the leading candidates to not mentioned. Memphis is obviously having a poor rebuilding season in football that is swaying the board talk. This past summer many were okay with the Tigers being taken (when the UCF and Memphis rumors were hot) and certainly most would have had them in their top 4 candidates. Amazing how it has changed in a few months.

Wrong. I consistently hated the idea of Memphis joining the BE from the very beginning. The only people that were on board were a few who lost their marbles for a moment and were hoping to reunite with an "old friend". Cooler heads are now prevailing, and the majority on here now realize that Memphis will NEVER be able to play the quality of football that the BE conf truly needs. The BE is not the Dept of Welfare...

Now now Miko be nice......it could be Christmas Eve for all of us here and some since of where the conference is going could be revealed...play nice and friendly

Some (certainly not all) of you guys act like you are God's gift to college football conferences. What I find funny is that not one of your stinking programs is even ranked in a poll right now! Get over yourselves. You are the weakest BCS conference. Count it a blessing other schools want to join your nice conference. I certainly am a fan of your conference, but some of you need a reality check of where you stand in the big scheme of things.

Before you go pi$$ in my wheaties, please go back through the months of my posts towards miko and memphis. You will find that you and I think alike. That is the tone of my post, not to belittle Memphis. Unfornately this is a perfect example of taking something out of context on a message board.

(11-02-2010 03:53 AM)RecoveringHillbilly Wrote:  

(11-01-2010 11:35 PM)oasispirate Wrote:  I'll take the alltime North Carolina prep basketball team and drag NYC and Chicago combined. Hell throw in the rest of NY and IL as well.
PG-Pete Marovich/Chris Paul/Phil Ford/John Wall
SG-Michael Jordan/Jerry Stackhouse
SF-Dominique Wilkins/David Thompson/Walter Davis
PF-James Worthy/David West/Rodney Rogers
C-Walt Bellamy/Brad Dougherty/Bob Macadoo

Other notables...blah...

I could go on and on.

All-time NBA/ABA NY born players: 284 NC: 100
All-Time NBA/ABA NY born 10K+ pts scorers: 39 NC: 14

This is a team made up of just the NYC/LI prep stars in the HOF:

PG Bob Cousey, Lenny Wilkins, Tiny Archibald, Larry Brown
SG Dr J, D.ick McGuire, Bobby Wanzer
SF Dolph Schayes
PF Connie Hawkins, Billy Cunningham
C Kareem

A few other NYC stars, excuding even those players born post 1980:
Bernard King, Chris Mullin, Mark Jackson, Kevin Loughery, Vinny Johnson, Lamar Odom, Jamal Mashburn, Ron Artest, Kenny Smith, Rod Strickland

You sure you are willing to throw in Upstate NY's pre-1980 born notebale products as well?:
Bob Lanier (HOF), Al Cervi (HOF), Pat Riley, Cliff Robinson, George Cater, Sam Parkins, Rick Carlisle, Elton Brand, Christian Laettner, Danny Schayes, John Wallace, Walter Dukes

Again, this doesn't include the guys that go to basketball factories now in NC. If you want to include those numbers, the numbers get much much greater.

I still say the all NC team would destroy that team. The only New Yorker that would start is Kareem.

(11-01-2010 09:11 PM)UofLCard94 Wrote:  Very intersting. With the thought of Temple/Villanova and the power of Villanova to influence..... could it be that they are ok with the 12/20 no FBS so long as Temple is not included? Would then lead to the potenital best 12 in football by adding TCU/Houston/UCF/ECU?

+1 good observation, which I had not considered. I think you might be on to something.

Cue the UCF to the Big East rumor at noon and the rumor that the rumor isn't true at 1pm.

When it all said and done this is what I hope for:

Villanova upgrades, TCU, Houston and UCF for all sports and Saint Louis for Basketball. 12/20 split and access to the Dallas/Fort Worth, Saint Louis, Orlando and Houston TV Markets. Plus a foothold in football recruiting in Texas to go with the current foothold in Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania and New Jersey.

BIG EAST
North Division-(Old BIG EAST)
West Virginia
Pittsburgh
Syracuse
Rutgers
UConn
Villanova

South Division-(Newer BIG EAST)
Louisville
Cincinnati
South Florida
TCU
Houston
Central Florida

Basketball is broken down into pods/divsions with the top 4 in each pod going to the BIG EAST Tournament.

Northeast Pod
Syracuse
Providence
Seton Hall
Saint John's
UConn

Mid-Atlantic Pod
Pittsburgh
West Virginia
Villanova
Georgetown
Rutgers

Midwest Pod
Louisville
Cincinnati
DePaul
Marquette
Notre Dame

South Pod
TCU
Houston
Central Florida
South Florida
Saint Louis

This with the proposed BIG EAST Network could be a nice money maker for the league. Plenty of inventory especially for Basketball...Football Championship I would have it @ Yankee Stadium in NYC. Great platform and small enough venue to look decent on TV.

Quote:Mid-Atlantic Pod
Pittsburgh
West Virginia
Villanova
Georgetown
Rutgers

-- that is one brutal pod...Poor Rutgers


Jackson

(11-02-2010 06:55 AM)Jackson1011 Wrote:  

Quote:Mid-Atlantic Pod
Pittsburgh
West Virginia
Villanova
Georgetown
Rutgers

-- that is one brutal pod...Poor Rutgers


Jackson

The only easy pod is the South.

(11-01-2010 08:50 PM)GoGold Wrote:  

(11-01-2010 09:22 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(11-01-2010 08:43 AM)buckaineer Wrote:  Memphis is awful in football and their facilities and academics don't help them. Their market is much smaller than the other candidates.

Memphis football is "awful" right now, but there is nothing which cannot (or will not) be fixed. Besides, 5 bowls in the last 7 1/2 years is better than many schools can say. Memphis academics are no worse than the other state school candidates. Facilities are better than you think (light years ahead of Villanova, at least) and are being steadily improved in accordance with Tranghese's recommendations. Memphis brings a top 50 TV market which it delivers, the tradition-rich Liberty Bowl, strong corporate support for the Big East network, nationally-recognized rivalries with Louisville and Cincinatti, is a logical extension of the Big East footprint and a great basketball program. Big East officials would be foolish to overlook all that UofM offers.

Dude I agree with everything you said AFTER the first two sentences.

Memphis football, in recent history has never been anything but average...at best... with the exception of the years you had Wrimpine(sp?) and the beast of a running back (his name escapes me at the moment) and even in those years you couldn't win the conference.

Memphis has alot to offer the BE, football is not included.

"Dude", are you aware that Memphis beat Southern Miss 5 times out of the last 10 games? And, for football Memphis offers an established fanbase (averaging over 20,000 in a remarkably bad year and can easily average 40,000 in a good year, even in C-USA), 98 years of tradition and definite potential. Older UL and UC fans know quite well what Tiger football can do.