(10-31-2010 05:36 PM)LastMinuteman Wrote:  

(10-31-2010 11:15 AM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  Someone needs to start looking into the NCAA attendance rules on FCS schools looking to move up to the FBS division. Is there not some sort of ruling stating some thing like a minimum of 15K average per game or some thing of that nature[?]

No, there's no attendance requirement to re-classify. You have to start worrying about the 15k requirement AFTER you file the paperwork.

After the paperwork is filed there is a 2 year transition period before you are classified officially as FBS. You have to average at least 15,000 in one of those 2 years (and at least once for every rolling 2 year period once you become FBS).

That said, if Villanova is averaging 7,000 now, it shouldn't be much of a problem to hit that goal. Even if they can't sell 15,000 on their own, all they have to do is price the tickets at $10. If the other Big East teams chip in money to buy up 8,000 extra tickets at $10 each that's only $80,000 per game. For a 5 home game schedule that would only be $400,000 total for the year to help 'Nova hit the 15,000 in paid attendance. That's only $50,000 per football playing school. They'll more than make up that money in not having to pay a non-conference team for an extra home game every other year.

(10-31-2010 11:00 PM)Inigo Wrote:  

(10-31-2010 05:36 PM)LastMinuteman Wrote:  

(10-31-2010 11:15 AM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  Someone needs to start looking into the NCAA attendance rules on FCS schools looking to move up to the FBS division. Is there not some sort of ruling stating some thing like a minimum of 15K average per game or some thing of that nature[?]

No, there's no attendance requirement to re-classify. You have to start worrying about the 15k requirement AFTER you file the paperwork.

After the paperwork is filed there is a 2 year transition period before you are classified officially as FBS. You have to average at least 15,000 in one of those 2 years (and at least once for every rolling 2 year period once you become FBS).

That said, if Villanova is averaging 7,000 now, it shouldn't be much of a problem to hit that goal. Even if they can't sell 15,000 on their own, all they have to do is price the tickets at $10. If the other Big East teams chip in money to buy up 8,000 extra tickets at $10 each that's only $80,000 per game. For a 5 home game schedule that would only be $400,000 total for the year to help 'Nova hit the 15,000 in paid attendance. That's only $50,000 per football playing school. They'll more than make up that money in not having to pay a non-conference team for an extra home game every other year.

That's an interesting way to think about it. But why the hell would the Big East want to do something like that? That would REALLY make the Big East a joke.

(10-31-2010 11:47 PM)HowardD11 Wrote:  

(10-31-2010 11:00 PM)Inigo Wrote:  

(10-31-2010 05:36 PM)LastMinuteman Wrote:  

(10-31-2010 11:15 AM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  Someone needs to start looking into the NCAA attendance rules on FCS schools looking to move up to the FBS division. Is there not some sort of ruling stating some thing like a minimum of 15K average per game or some thing of that nature[?]

No, there's no attendance requirement to re-classify. You have to start worrying about the 15k requirement AFTER you file the paperwork.

After the paperwork is filed there is a 2 year transition period before you are classified officially as FBS. You have to average at least 15,000 in one of those 2 years (and at least once for every rolling 2 year period once you become FBS).

That said, if Villanova is averaging 7,000 now, it shouldn't be much of a problem to hit that goal. Even if they can't sell 15,000 on their own, all they have to do is price the tickets at $10. If the other Big East teams chip in money to buy up 8,000 extra tickets at $10 each that's only $80,000 per game. For a 5 home game schedule that would only be $400,000 total for the year to help 'Nova hit the 15,000 in paid attendance. That's only $50,000 per football playing school. They'll more than make up that money in not having to pay a non-conference team for an extra home game every other year.

That's an interesting way to think about it. But why the hell would the Big East want to do something like that? That would REALLY make the Big East a joke.

If this is what Paul T came up with...I'd fire his a$$ and sue him for anything he was paid.

(11-01-2010 05:41 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(10-31-2010 11:47 PM)HowardD11 Wrote:  

(10-31-2010 11:00 PM)Inigo Wrote:  

(10-31-2010 05:36 PM)LastMinuteman Wrote:  

(10-31-2010 11:15 AM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  Someone needs to start looking into the NCAA attendance rules on FCS schools looking to move up to the FBS division. Is there not some sort of ruling stating some thing like a minimum of 15K average per game or some thing of that nature[?]

No, there's no attendance requirement to re-classify. You have to start worrying about the 15k requirement AFTER you file the paperwork.

After the paperwork is filed there is a 2 year transition period before you are classified officially as FBS. You have to average at least 15,000 in one of those 2 years (and at least once for every rolling 2 year period once you become FBS).

That said, if Villanova is averaging 7,000 now, it shouldn't be much of a problem to hit that goal. Even if they can't sell 15,000 on their own, all they have to do is price the tickets at $10. If the other Big East teams chip in money to buy up 8,000 extra tickets at $10 each that's only $80,000 per game. For a 5 home game schedule that would only be $400,000 total for the year to help 'Nova hit the 15,000 in paid attendance. That's only $50,000 per football playing school. They'll more than make up that money in not having to pay a non-conference team for an extra home game every other year.

That's an interesting way to think about it. But why the hell would the Big East want to do something like that? That would REALLY make the Big East a joke.

If this is what Paul T came up with...I'd fire his a$$ and sue him for anything he was paid.

So our Plan A would be to basically cheat on the attendance requirement. If this is considered acceptible by the NCAA then there really is no requirement at all because you could just as easily "sell" them for one cent each to someone.

If the 15k requirement isn't applied to the turnstiles, then there is really no 15k requirement anyway.

(11-01-2010 07:03 AM)JunkYardCard Wrote:  

(11-01-2010 05:41 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(10-31-2010 11:47 PM)HowardD11 Wrote:  

(10-31-2010 11:00 PM)Inigo Wrote:  

(10-31-2010 05:36 PM)LastMinuteman Wrote:  No, there's no attendance requirement to re-classify. You have to start worrying about the 15k requirement AFTER you file the paperwork.

After the paperwork is filed there is a 2 year transition period before you are classified officially as FBS. You have to average at least 15,000 in one of those 2 years (and at least once for every rolling 2 year period once you become FBS).

That said, if Villanova is averaging 7,000 now, it shouldn't be much of a problem to hit that goal. Even if they can't sell 15,000 on their own, all they have to do is price the tickets at $10. If the other Big East teams chip in money to buy up 8,000 extra tickets at $10 each that's only $80,000 per game. For a 5 home game schedule that would only be $400,000 total for the year to help 'Nova hit the 15,000 in paid attendance. That's only $50,000 per football playing school. They'll more than make up that money in not having to pay a non-conference team for an extra home game every other year.

That's an interesting way to think about it. But why the hell would the Big East want to do something like that? That would REALLY make the Big East a joke.

If this is what Paul T came up with...I'd fire his a$$ and sue him for anything he was paid.

So our Plan A would be to basically cheat on the attendance requirement. If this is considered acceptible by the NCAA then there really is no requirement at all because you could just as easily "sell" them for one cent each to someone.

If the 15k requirement isn't applied to the turnstiles, then there is really no 15k requirement anyway.

Schools can choose to count either paid attendance or actual attendance when reporting to the NCAA. It is their choice.

If they choose paid attendance (which 99% of all teams do), they can count all tickets sold that sell for at least 1/3 of the highest regular established ticket price for the team even if those tickets are not used. Tickets sold for less than 1/3 of the highest regular price can only be counted if they are actually used for admission to the game. So in order for 1 cent tickets to be counted for paid attendance they'd either have to actually be used or Villanova could only place a maximum value on their tickets of 3 cents. That's why I thew out the $10 figure with the assumption that 'Nova might want to charge their actual fans $30 for tickets.

(11-01-2010 05:41 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  If this is what Paul T came up with...I'd fire his a$$ and sue him for anything he was paid.

I thought Tagliabue was working for free.

(11-01-2010 07:21 AM)Inigo Wrote:  Schools can choose to count either paid attendance or actual attendance when reporting to the NCAA. It is their choice.

If they choose paid attendance (which 99% of all teams do), they can count all tickets sold that sell for at least 1/3 of the highest regular established ticket price for the team even if those tickets are not used. Tickets sold for less than 1/3 of the highest regular price can only be counted if they are actually used for admission to the game. So in order for 1 cent tickets to be counted for paid attendance they'd either have to actually be used or Villanova could only place a maximum value on their tickets of 3 cents. That's why I thew out the $10 figure with the assumption that 'Nova might want to charge their actual fans $30 for tickets.

Cool. So that means there are some rules to keep it honest. Thanks for the information.

(11-01-2010 07:21 AM)Inigo Wrote:  

(11-01-2010 07:03 AM)JunkYardCard Wrote:  

(11-01-2010 05:41 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(10-31-2010 11:47 PM)HowardD11 Wrote:  

(10-31-2010 11:00 PM)Inigo Wrote:  After the paperwork is filed there is a 2 year transition period before you are classified officially as FBS. You have to average at least 15,000 in one of those 2 years (and at least once for every rolling 2 year period once you become FBS).

That said, if Villanova is averaging 7,000 now, it shouldn't be much of a problem to hit that goal. Even if they can't sell 15,000 on their own, all they have to do is price the tickets at $10. If the other Big East teams chip in money to buy up 8,000 extra tickets at $10 each that's only $80,000 per game. For a 5 home game schedule that would only be $400,000 total for the year to help 'Nova hit the 15,000 in paid attendance. That's only $50,000 per football playing school. They'll more than make up that money in not having to pay a non-conference team for an extra home game every other year.

That's an interesting way to think about it. But why the hell would the Big East want to do something like that? That would REALLY make the Big East a joke.

If this is what Paul T came up with...I'd fire his a$$ and sue him for anything he was paid.

So our Plan A would be to basically cheat on the attendance requirement. If this is considered acceptible by the NCAA then there really is no requirement at all because you could just as easily "sell" them for one cent each to someone.

If the 15k requirement isn't applied to the turnstiles, then there is really no 15k requirement anyway.

Schools can choose to count either paid attendance or actual attendance when reporting to the NCAA. It is their choice.

If they choose paid attendance (which 99% of all teams do), they can count all tickets sold that sell for at least 1/3 of the highest regular established ticket price for the team even if those tickets are not used. Tickets sold for less than 1/3 of the highest regular price can only be counted if they are actually used for admission to the game. So in order for 1 cent tickets to be counted for paid attendance they'd either have to actually be used or Villanova could only place a maximum value on their tickets of 3 cents. That's why I thew out the $10 figure with the assumption that 'Nova might want to charge their actual fans $30 for tickets.

It still doesn't make any sense. What would the Big East get in this scenario? They'd get a program that can't pull 15,000 fans on their own! The lowest attendance of any BCS school is still just over 30,000 most years. Meanwhile the Big East would be subsidizing a program so they can pull half of that.

Post: #14RE: 10/30 Villanova Attendance: 6,317

I do not think the Louisville fan base will support a watered down Big East football conference any longer than it takes Louisville to find a real conference. With that said, I love being associated with current 8 football teams in the Big East and want to keep being their partners in BCS football, but we have to strengthen football. Adding four to 8 teams from the following is a must:

ECU
UCF
TCU
Memphis
Iowa State
Missouri
Kansas
Kansas State
Baylor