(10-31-2010 08:57 AM)dvargo27 Wrote:  

(10-30-2010 08:56 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(10-30-2010 08:43 PM)dvargo27 Wrote:  

(10-30-2010 08:13 PM)BrianNowicki Wrote:  They're still not certain to the extent of Dantin's injury. Hopefully they will know more tomorrow or Monday. Right now, my hunch is that Owens will be #1, and hopefully the few extra days off is enough time for Dantin to be available if need be.....but that might be wishful thinking on my part.

Agreed. Its time to stick with Owens. He is our best short term and long term option. He has better skills than Dantin and with more experience, I think he could be very good. Dantin is a tough kid, but he just does not have a strong enough or accurate enough arm to ever be a very good D1 quarterback. We have enough good running backs to carry the load in our rushing attack. We need to improve our downfield passing and Owens provides that ability in our offense.

A couple very bad downfield throws today- way behind an open Page, high on another that should have been intercepted-three passes for long yards and two of them only a couple yards over line of scrimmage. I hope he gets the opportunity this week to work on throwing long but I didn't see much of that with any success today.

WOW what game were your watching? Actaully the Page play you are referring to was a good pass, Page just got himself turned around a bit. Owens threw more on target downfield/vertical passes in yesterday's game than Dantin has all season. His ability to get the ball on of his hand right away resulted in many big plays today. 3 TD's to may account. Trust me when I say this, our Offense if much more difficult to defend and more dynamic with Owens at QB. We are very predictable and easy to defend with Dantin at the helm.

If the Rockets are so easy to defend with Dantin at the helm, how were the Rockets able to put up 27 points in a half against a Top 10 Defense(Kent State)-34 points total versus 42 against a bottom 5 Defense(EMU)? If there is good coverage on the receivers and UT getting a strong pass rush I'd rather have the football in Dantin's hands than
TO's because of his running abilty and the fact your not likely be able to throw downfield anyways. Again I'm more of proponent of playing to the QB strength depending on the scenario.

(10-31-2010 09:38 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(10-31-2010 08:57 AM)dvargo27 Wrote:  

(10-30-2010 08:56 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(10-30-2010 08:43 PM)dvargo27 Wrote:  

(10-30-2010 08:13 PM)BrianNowicki Wrote:  They're still not certain to the extent of Dantin's injury. Hopefully they will know more tomorrow or Monday. Right now, my hunch is that Owens will be #1, and hopefully the few extra days off is enough time for Dantin to be available if need be.....but that might be wishful thinking on my part.

Agreed. Its time to stick with Owens. He is our best short term and long term option. He has better skills than Dantin and with more experience, I think he could be very good. Dantin is a tough kid, but he just does not have a strong enough or accurate enough arm to ever be a very good D1 quarterback. We have enough good running backs to carry the load in our rushing attack. We need to improve our downfield passing and Owens provides that ability in our offense.

A couple very bad downfield throws today- way behind an open Page, high on another that should have been intercepted-three passes for long yards and two of them only a couple yards over line of scrimmage. I hope he gets the opportunity this week to work on throwing long but I didn't see much of that with any success today.

WOW what game were your watching? Actaully the Page play you are referring to was a good pass, Page just got himself turned around a bit. Owens threw more on target downfield/vertical passes in yesterday's game than Dantin has all season. His ability to get the ball on of his hand right away resulted in many big plays today. 3 TD's to may account. Trust me when I say this, our Offense if much more difficult to defend and more dynamic with Owens at QB. We are very predictable and easy to defend with Dantin at the helm.

If the Rockets are so easy to defend with Dantin at the helm, how were the Rockets able to put up 27 points in a half against a Top 10 Defense(Kent State)-34 points total versus 42 against a bottom 5 Defense(EMU)? If there is good coverage on the receivers and UT getting a strong pass rush I'd rather have the football in Dantin's hands than
TO's because of his running abilty and the fact your not likely be able to throw downfield anyways. Again I'm more of proponent of playing to the QB strength depending on the scenario.

That is why you have running backs, to run the ball. Don't get me wrong, a Qb being able to run is a nice complement, but a Qb's #1 strength should be passing the ball. Unless you are Tebow, Robinson, or V. Young, which Danitin is not. Also Dantin running the ball has gotten him knocked out of each of the last 3 games, not exactly what you want for your starting QB. I like exactly what the staff did yesterday, bring in Pasquale as a change of pace to get some tough yards running in the wildcat. In terms of pass rush, obviously you must have noticed that Owens gets the ball out in the pocket a lot faster than Dantin, which is the best scenario against a strong pass rush.

It seems like the passing game opens up a little more with TO behind center and he's almost as good a runner as Dantin. By opening up the passing game even just a little more it opens up the running game more, too. With more experience I think TO would improve in both areas. Granted it was Eastern, and we can expect Northern to bring the wood. If I were the coach I would have a tough time choosing a starter--but, only based on Dantin's experience. Overall, I'm starting to think that TO gives us a better chance to win games.

WOW what game were your watching? Actaully the Page play you are referring to was a good pass, Page just got himself turned around a bit. Owens threw more on target downfield/vertical passes in yesterday's game than Dantin has all season. His ability to get the ball on of his hand right away resulted in many big plays today. 3 TD's to may account. Trust me when I say this, our Offense if much more difficult to defend and more dynamic with Owens at QB. We are very predictable and easy to defend with Dantin at the helm.
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I'll tell you what game I was watching. I was watching a game with TONS of yards after the catch. You know, the same statistical catagory that you tried to eliminate from Dantin's stat line last week.

I have to ask what games have YOU been watching if you think that Dantin's running ability doesn't make him a dual threat QB.

As I watch the game again on my DVR right now, I'd say Owens had around 50 yards passing and 1 touchdown according to your Dantin evaluation style.

With that said, Owens did what he should have done against one of the top-5 worst teams in the nation. He didn't make mistakes and got a road win. It's a luxury to have two bright, young QB's.

Go Rockets!!!

(10-31-2010 08:57 AM)dvargo27 Wrote:  WOW what game were your watching? Actaully the Page play you are referring to was a good pass, Page just got himself turned around a bit. Owens threw more on target downfield/vertical passes in yesterday's game than Dantin has all season. His ability to get the ball on of his hand right away resulted in many big plays today. 3 TD's to may account. Trust me when I say this, our Offense if much more difficult to defend and more dynamic with Owens at QB. We are very predictable and easy to defend with Dantin at the helm.

I was at the Eastern Michigan game watching it. Owens did a nice job but throwing downfield he did NOT. Passes were short for the most part with nearly all the yards coming on three short passes with HUGE yards after the catch. Not sure how else to say this- 3 short passes went for 195 yards, another TD pass covered 6 yards. Owens completed 6 other passes for 33 yards, or an average of a little over 5 yards per throw. In other words, seven completions did not exceed 6 yards (may not be entirely accurate since some may have been for losses - I don't recall but its close). That's 4 yards per catch. At least two of the three TDs didn't either if you count yards in the air past the LOS. I am perfectly happy that Owens came in and didn't miss a beat, but he didn't throw downfield much.

Both the QBs do a good job-it will be interesting to see if they do have Owens throw long more with a week+ of practice, assuming he starts.

(10-31-2010 10:45 AM)dvargo27 Wrote:  That is why you have running backs, to run the ball. Don't get me wrong, a Qb being able to run is a nice complement, but a Qb's #1 strength should be passing the ball. Unless you are Tebow, Robinson, or V. Young, which Danitin is not. Also Dantin running the ball has gotten him knocked out of each of the last 3 games, not exactly what you want for your starting QB. I like exactly what the staff did yesterday, bring in Pasquale as a change of pace to get some tough yards running in the wildcat. In terms of pass rush, obviously you must have noticed that Owens gets the ball out in the pocket a lot faster than Dantin, which is the best scenario against a strong pass rush.

I agree. Dantin may be a little bit more of a "dual-threat", but to me Owens provides us with the best chance to win. I'm not trying to bash AD, he's a tough kid and a good leader who has taken a ton of shots for this team, and has the respect of everyone, but it just seems our ceiling may be a little bit higher with Owens.

I don't see that either QB has the physicality to be running the ball unless it's with the clear intent to get what they can after a play breakdown and ended with a slide.

There should be no QB draws with these two. It's a fumble and an injury waiting to happen.

Don't know why they had to show the Page to Pasquale throw back play when they had such a big lead. They should have kept it for later!

right, dantin is pretty fast and not afraid to take a hit (NOT EXACTLY THE BEST THING IS HIS CASE) but the kid is not a running qb. pasquale is a running qb. terrell prior is a running qb. dantin gets popped and coughs up the ball regularly.

overall, i respect dantin and appreciate his contributions to the team, but see him as a good backup. owens caught a bit of a break playing against a weak d, but either i've gone nuts or he's by far the qb of the future for this program. the yards after the catch reflect timing and anticipation. the pass game is quicker, more vertical and tighter w owens.

as far as downfield passing i recall 6 downfield passes by owens. the td to noble on a midrange seam route. a perfect long out to page. another long out that was a little behind page. a long sideline pass that was a bit overthrown. a nicely thrown post to page that page misread and got turned around on and the perfect post pass to page for the td.

anyone know the status of dantin???

Even if Owens or another does win the depth chart, I'd hate the thought of Dantin's speed and quickness sitting on the bench. WR? CB?

(10-31-2010 11:02 AM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  ... and he's almost as good a runner as Dantin.

Wow, not even close.

(10-31-2010 05:03 PM)Photodan Wrote:  

(10-31-2010 11:02 AM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  ... and he's almost as good a runner as Dantin.

Wow, not even close.

Close enough. Dantin has a knack for seeing the seam and getting up to speed immediately. Owens has good quickness and a good stride. You just haven't seen enough of him.

I will bet a million Owens starts and Dantin doesn't play.

You must know something.

Probably, but I will leave it up to the experts to comment.

please, coach, don't run owens off tackle. can we just save that play for pasquale?

I still say they should have moved Dave to RB and Morgan to WR where the two excel and play a less gimmicky offense.

(11-01-2010 10:30 AM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  I still say they should have moved Dave to RB and Morgan to WR where the two excel and play a less gimmicky offense.

Dave? Dave who? I hope you're not referring to me. I'd get killed. I'm 58 and I weigh 190, dude! No way am I running against these big guys. You can't mean Fluellen cuz he IS an RB.

(11-01-2010 10:52 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(11-01-2010 10:30 AM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  I still say they should have moved Dave to RB and Morgan to WR where the two excel and play a less gimmicky offense.

Dave? Dave who? I hope you're not referring to me. I'd get killed. I'm 58 and I weigh 190, dude! No way am I running against these big guys. You can't mean Fluellen cuz he IS an RB.

I think he is referring to Pasquale.

(11-01-2010 03:08 PM)Rocket A Wrote:  

(11-01-2010 10:52 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(11-01-2010 10:30 AM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  I still say they should have moved Dave to RB and Morgan to WR where the two excel and play a less gimmicky offense.

Dave? Dave who? I hope you're not referring to me. I'd get killed. I'm 58 and I weigh 190, dude! No way am I running against these big guys. You can't mean Fluellen cuz he IS an RB.

I think he is referring to Pasquale.

Duhhhh! I must have sat here for 5 minutes trying to think of another Dave on the team. Well, I'm just glad its not me. Sorry, TF1- EMU's program that listed a bunch of non-UT players for our Special teams must have messed up my mind. Thanks, RA!