(10-06-2010 05:50 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-06-2010 05:11 PM)mattsarz Wrote:  Meineke is up to $2 million.

Their website still says $1.6m:

http://meinekecarcarebowl.com/game/index.html

Are you related to Michael Savage? You two are the ultimate Debbie Downers when it comes the BE. If it is something negative, one of you will be there to point it out.

It says minimum $1.6M. I believe they also pay bonus for tickets sold through school etc. There are other factors that can increase the payout beyond $1.6M.

(10-06-2010 05:49 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  I'm scratching my head trying to figure out which currently affiliated conference - the Big 12 or the SEC - is going to be given the boot by the Cotton Bowl in order for the Big East to have an 'anchor' there.

I'm drawing a blank ...

That's because you think small. The BEast could be co-anchor with the Big XII, in an arrangement similar to the Rose Bowl's with the Pac Tin and Big Tin...

(10-06-2010 05:56 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  It says minimum $1.6M. I believe they also pay bonus for tickets sold through school etc. There are other factors that can increase the payout beyond $1.6M.

Right. But for purposes of assessing the value of the bowl, i think it's best to use the guaranteed amount, since that's the only money that is, well, guaranteed.

(10-06-2010 07:05 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(10-06-2010 05:49 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  I'm scratching my head trying to figure out which currently affiliated conference - the Big 12 or the SEC - is going to be given the boot by the Cotton Bowl in order for the Big East to have an 'anchor' there.

I'm drawing a blank ...

That's because you think small. The BEast could be co-anchor with the Big XII, in an arrangement similar to the Rose Bowl's with the Pac Tin and Big Tin...

I'm just trying to assess the chances of certain events happening. IMHO, the chances that an upgraded Cotton Bowl will boot the SEC for the Big East is about as likely as, well, hell freezing over.

SEC teams have been playing in the Cotton Bowl since the 1940s, and SEC schools have, by far, the most appearances in the Cotton Bowl outside of the Big 12. They've played in it 30 times in 74 years. I can't foresee that changing.

And when's the last time any bowl willingly booted the SEC for anyone? The only time the SEC loses bowl affiliations is when they basically tell the bowl that their slot is so far down the pecking-order (thanks to the SEC getting an even better bowl than they previously had) that the bowl can't count on the SEC filling the slot.

(10-06-2010 05:49 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-06-2010 01:49 PM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  TCU fans, I suspect if you guys come along with UCF we could pick up a link to a Texas bowl and a Florida bowl in the next round of negotiations. Possibly even an anchor to the upcoming BCS Cotton Bowl. Lets hope that is the case.

I'm scratching my head trying to figure out which currently affiliated conference - the Big 12 or the SEC - is going to be given the boot by the Cotton Bowl in order for the Big East to have an 'anchor' there.

I'm drawing a blank ...

I will help you out....conferences can only send 2 maximum teams to BCS bowls right now. BCS champ game and ? BCS bowl game. That resolves that issue doesn't it.

(10-07-2010 08:34 AM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  

(10-06-2010 05:49 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-06-2010 01:49 PM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  TCU fans, I suspect if you guys come along with UCF we could pick up a link to a Texas bowl and a Florida bowl in the next round of negotiations. Possibly even an anchor to the upcoming BCS Cotton Bowl. Lets hope that is the case.

I'm scratching my head trying to figure out which currently affiliated conference - the Big 12 or the SEC - is going to be given the boot by the Cotton Bowl in order for the Big East to have an 'anchor' there.

I'm drawing a blank ...

I will help you out....conferences can only send 2 maximum teams to BCS bowls right now. BCS champ game and ? BCS bowl game. That resolves that issue doesn't it.

Well, that's not exactly true. If the #1 and #2 ranked BCS teams are both from the same conference, but neither are the conference champion, then that conference would send 3 teams to BCS bowls.

But even that situation aside, you do make a good point about the BCS rules constraints. Nevertheless, i don't think this resolves the issue in our favor, because the Cotton Bowl could just have contingent clauses with both the Big 12 and SEC (if eligible, the second BCS selections from the SEC and Big 12 go to the Cotton, unless either is in the national title game).

And in any event, there's no reason to think a BCS-upgraded Cotton would want a Big East permanent anchor, because that would close it off from being able to select more-desirable (from its POV) teams from conferences like the Big 12 and SEC.

(10-07-2010 10:00 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-07-2010 08:34 AM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  

(10-06-2010 05:49 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-06-2010 01:49 PM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  TCU fans, I suspect if you guys come along with UCF we could pick up a link to a Texas bowl and a Florida bowl in the next round of negotiations. Possibly even an anchor to the upcoming BCS Cotton Bowl. Lets hope that is the case.

I'm scratching my head trying to figure out which currently affiliated conference - the Big 12 or the SEC - is going to be given the boot by the Cotton Bowl in order for the Big East to have an 'anchor' there.

I'm drawing a blank ...

I will help you out....conferences can only send 2 maximum teams to BCS bowls right now. BCS champ game and ? BCS bowl game. That resolves that issue doesn't it.

Well, that's not exactly true. If the #1 and #2 ranked BCS teams are both from the same conference, but neither are the conference champion, then that conference would send 3 teams to BCS bowls.
But even that situation aside, you do make a good point about the BCS rules constraints. Nevertheless, i don't think this resolves the issue in our favor, because the Cotton Bowl could just have contingent clauses with both the Big 12 and SEC (if eligible, the second BCS selections from the SEC and Big 12 go to the Cotton, unless either is in the national title game).

And in any event, there's no reason to think a BCS-upgraded Cotton would want a Big East permanent anchor, because that would close it off from being able to select more-desirable (from its POV) teams from conferences like the Big 12 and SEC.

I don't think that will ever happen. There have been instances especially with SEC already that 1 was in BCS champ game and two more deserved BCS bowls, but only 1 was allotted a spot.

If Cotton Bowl becomes BCS then they relieve all decisions to BCS including spots anchored/reserved to BCS conferences. I don't know that you would see an official BE slot, but if they keep the limit to 2 BCS teams, ND, and 2 non BCS teams then chips will fall in place to send us to Orange/Sugar/Cotton or BCS champ game and 1 of those....most of the time. If TCU is 1 of 2 in BCS for BE the Cotton would look to them or another 1 of our good traveling teams in the future South division.

(10-07-2010 10:00 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-07-2010 08:34 AM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  

(10-06-2010 05:49 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-06-2010 01:49 PM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  TCU fans, I suspect if you guys come along with UCF we could pick up a link to a Texas bowl and a Florida bowl in the next round of negotiations. Possibly even an anchor to the upcoming BCS Cotton Bowl. Lets hope that is the case.

I'm scratching my head trying to figure out which currently affiliated conference - the Big 12 or the SEC - is going to be given the boot by the Cotton Bowl in order for the Big East to have an 'anchor' there.

I'm drawing a blank ...

I will help you out....conferences can only send 2 maximum teams to BCS bowls right now. BCS champ game and ? BCS bowl game. That resolves that issue doesn't it.

Well, that's not exactly true. If the #1 and #2 ranked BCS teams are both from the same conference, but neither are the conference champion, then that conference would send 3 teams to BCS bowls.

I thought initially that you were way off on this part of your post, but when I went to the bcs website and looked at the selection process, you are correct. This is what it says:

"No more than two teams from a conference may be selected, regardless of whether they are automatic qualifiers or at-large selections, unless two non-champions from the same conference are ranked No. 1 and No. 2 in the final BCS Standings."

The only time that I remember the bcs has even come close to this happening was when OSU and Michigan were ranked #1 and 2 for most of the season about 4 or 5 years ago. They were close to being selected to play in the championship game. OSU was the Big 10 champion though, and the Big 10 didnt have a third team that met the bcs criteria to be selected to a bcs bowl. On second thought, we have never come close at all to a third team from the same conference going to a bcs bowl. BTW, that year that OSU and Michigan were close to meeting in the bcs championship game, both teams got blown out in the bcs bowls.

(10-07-2010 10:26 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  [quote='quo vadis' pid='5786055' dateline='1286463603']
I thought initially that you were way off on this part of your post, but when I went to the bcs website and looked at the selection process, you are correct.

Well yeah, that's why i posted it. :)

Quote:On second thought, we have never come close at all to a third team from the same conference going to a bcs bowl. BTW, that year that OSU and Michigan were close to meeting in the bcs championship game, both teams got blown out in the bcs bowls.

I think the only way it could possibly happen would be in a conference that has a title game. E.g., imagine it's 2007, a year when all the top teams have 2 losses. Except let's say in the Big 12, Texas goes into the B12 title game #1 and unbeaten, while Oklahoma is #2 because they only have 1 loss, and that was to Texas by a narrow margin.

But, in the B12 title game, Texas is upset by say a 7-4 unranked Nebraska team, by a score of 27-24 in double-overtime.

Given that all the winners of the other major conferences have 2 losses, and there is no unbeaten Boise or TCU out there, in that scenario it's likely that Texas would either stay #1 or drop only to #2 behind Oklahoma, so those two would play in the BCS title game, while Big 12 champ Nebraska would play in another BCS bowl.

as for meinecke:
Starting in 2010, Webb said, payouts should exceed $1.7 million each year under the new revenue structure.
The actual dollars paid to the ACC and Big East varies each year based on ticket sales under a revenue sharing agreement.

(10-07-2010 02:13 PM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote:  as for meinecke:
Starting in 2010, Webb said, payouts should exceed $1.7 million each year under the new revenue structure.
The actual dollars paid to the ACC and Big East varies each year based on ticket sales under a revenue sharing agreement.

Dont tell that to Quo Vadis. He likes to work with the worst case doomsday scenario in most cases.

(10-07-2010 02:51 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(10-07-2010 02:13 PM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote:  as for meinecke:
Starting in 2010, Webb said, payouts should exceed $1.7 million each year under the new revenue structure.
The actual dollars paid to the ACC and Big East varies each year based on ticket sales under a revenue sharing agreement.

Dont tell that to Quo Vadis. He likes to work with the worst case doomsday scenario in most cases.

Actually, i just like to work with what's on the official web site for the bowl. Heaven forbid ....