(09-23-2010 07:27 AM)mpurdy22 Wrote:  

(09-22-2010 07:29 PM)Airport KC Wrote:  It was said in the article that the MAC would consider Football-Only members....

Army anyone?

For football only, more likely Louisiana Tech.

I have no problem adding La-Tech to the west for FB-only. Especially if WAC FB ceases to exist and they need a FB home.

There is a stronger logistics case for it then when we added UCF as a 14th FB member (giving us odd numbers in other sports) or when we added Temple as a 13th FB member (messing with the number of home conference games each eastern school played). La-Tech certainly plays better FB than either of the others did when they were allowed in.

By adding La-Tech FB only, we end up with:
Two FB-only members - in opposite divisions.
6 division games (3 away, 3 home) and two cross-over games (1 home, 1 away).
Western teams would make one trip south every two years.
Eastern division teams would make one trip south every 7 years.

What's the harm?

(09-23-2010 07:27 AM)mpurdy22 Wrote:  

(09-22-2010 07:29 PM)Airport KC Wrote:  

(09-22-2010 06:19 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  Steinbrecher spreading FUD

Remember what all the ADs said right up until the moves were made this summer. "Nothing is imminent". "We're just looking around". Stuff like that.

It was said in the article that the MAC would consider Football-Only members....

Army anyone?

For football only, more likely Louisiana Tech.

The MAC could perform the "Redneck Airlift" and pick up LT, A-State, WKU, MTSU.

MAC South: LT, A-State, WKU, MTSU
MAC West: NIU, BSU, CMU, WMU
MAC Central: EMU, UT, BGSU, Miami
MAC East: Akron, Kent, Ohio, Buffalo

The schedule would then be 3 divisional games w/6 cross divisional (2 of each division) for 9 in total.

The 2 divisional winners with the best overall MAC record play in Detroit for the championship.

In basketball it would be double round-robin interdivisonal (6 games) and then 1 game a piece against everyone else (12 games) each divisional winner would earn a bye to Cleveland.

Temple I could see going to CUSA along with most of the Mountain West as that league is collapsing to try and be the 7th AQ conference.

I don't know if CUSA will ever try and find a spot for WKU, MTSU if they decide to combine with the MWC. This super MAC deal would be pretty good if CUSA is out the window.

MAC-16

(09-23-2010 10:00 AM)Airport KC Wrote:  

(09-23-2010 07:27 AM)mpurdy22 Wrote:  

(09-22-2010 07:29 PM)Airport KC Wrote:  

(09-22-2010 06:19 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  Steinbrecher spreading FUD

Remember what all the ADs said right up until the moves were made this summer. "Nothing is imminent". "We're just looking around". Stuff like that.

It was said in the article that the MAC would consider Football-Only members....

Army anyone?

For football only, more likely Louisiana Tech.

The MAC could perform the "Redneck Airlift" and pick up LT, A-State, WKU, MTSU.

MAC South: LT, A-State, WKU, MTSU
MAC West: NIU, BSU, CMU, WMU
MAC Central: EMU, UT, BGSU, Miami
MAC East: Akron, Kent, Ohio, Buffalo

The schedule would then be 3 divisional games w/6 cross divisional (2 of each division) for 9 in total.

The 2 divisional winners with the best overall MAC record play in Detroit for the championship.

In basketball it would be double round-robin interdivisonal (6 games) and then 1 game a piece against everyone else (12 games) each divisional winner would earn a bye to Cleveland.

Temple I could see going to CUSA along with most of the Mountain West as that league is collapsing to try and be the 7th AQ conference.

I don't know if CUSA will ever try and find a spot for WKU, MTSU if they decide to combine with the MWC. This super MAC deal would be pretty good if CUSA is out the window.

MAC-16

That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard of in my life. You really need a life.

(09-23-2010 10:08 AM)utpotts Wrote:  

(09-23-2010 10:00 AM)Airport KC Wrote:  

(09-23-2010 07:27 AM)mpurdy22 Wrote:  

(09-22-2010 07:29 PM)Airport KC Wrote:  

(09-22-2010 06:19 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  Steinbrecher spreading FUD

Remember what all the ADs said right up until the moves were made this summer. "Nothing is imminent". "We're just looking around". Stuff like that.

It was said in the article that the MAC would consider Football-Only members....

Army anyone?

For football only, more likely Louisiana Tech.

The MAC could perform the "Redneck Airlift" and pick up LT, A-State, WKU, MTSU.

MAC South: LT, A-State, WKU, MTSU
MAC West: NIU, BSU, CMU, WMU
MAC Central: EMU, UT, BGSU, Miami
MAC East: Akron, Kent, Ohio, Buffalo

The schedule would then be 3 divisional games w/6 cross divisional (2 of each division) for 9 in total.

The 2 divisional winners with the best overall MAC record play in Detroit for the championship.

In basketball it would be double round-robin interdivisonal (6 games) and then 1 game a piece against everyone else (12 games) each divisional winner would earn a bye to Cleveland.

Temple I could see going to CUSA along with most of the Mountain West as that league is collapsing to try and be the 7th AQ conference.

I don't know if CUSA will ever try and find a spot for WKU, MTSU if they decide to combine with the MWC. This super MAC deal would be pretty good if CUSA is out the window.

MAC-16

That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard of in my life. You really need a life.

You are the stupidest person I've ever talked to with no ideas of his own so yes I see there is common ground.

(09-23-2010 10:45 AM)Airport KC Wrote:  

(09-23-2010 10:08 AM)utpotts Wrote:  

(09-23-2010 10:00 AM)Airport KC Wrote:  

(09-23-2010 07:27 AM)mpurdy22 Wrote:  

(09-22-2010 07:29 PM)Airport KC Wrote:  It was said in the article that the MAC would consider Football-Only members....

Army anyone?

For football only, more likely Louisiana Tech.

The MAC could perform the "Redneck Airlift" and pick up LT, A-State, WKU, MTSU.

MAC South: LT, A-State, WKU, MTSU
MAC West: NIU, BSU, CMU, WMU
MAC Central: EMU, UT, BGSU, Miami
MAC East: Akron, Kent, Ohio, Buffalo

The schedule would then be 3 divisional games w/6 cross divisional (2 of each division) for 9 in total.

The 2 divisional winners with the best overall MAC record play in Detroit for the championship.

In basketball it would be double round-robin interdivisonal (6 games) and then 1 game a piece against everyone else (12 games) each divisional winner would earn a bye to Cleveland.

Temple I could see going to CUSA along with most of the Mountain West as that league is collapsing to try and be the 7th AQ conference.

I don't know if CUSA will ever try and find a spot for WKU, MTSU if they decide to combine with the MWC. This super MAC deal would be pretty good if CUSA is out the window.

MAC-16

That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard of in my life. You really need a life.

You are the stupidest person I've ever talked to with no ideas of his own so yes I see there is common ground.

Sorry Potts,

Rejection is one thing.... but rejection by a fool is cruel!!!
"Morrissey"

EMU's coach is considered a "good source?"

(09-23-2010 11:59 AM)jupitertoo Wrote:  EMU's coach is considered a "good source?"

It was The Athletic Director. Not a coach.

(09-23-2010 09:31 AM)nert Wrote:  

(09-23-2010 07:27 AM)mpurdy22 Wrote:  

(09-22-2010 07:29 PM)Airport KC Wrote:  It was said in the article that the MAC would consider Football-Only members....

Army anyone?

For football only, more likely Louisiana Tech.

I have no problem adding La-Tech to the west for FB-only. Especially if WAC FB ceases to exist and they need a FB home.

There is a stronger logistics case for it then when we added UCF as a 14th FB member (giving us odd numbers in other sports) or when we added Temple as a 13th FB member (messing with the number of home conference games each eastern school played). La-Tech certainly plays better FB than either of the others did when they were allowed in.

By adding La-Tech FB only, we end up with:
Two FB-only members - in opposite divisions.
6 division games (3 away, 3 home) and two cross-over games (1 home, 1 away).
Western teams would make one trip south every two years.
Eastern division teams would make one trip south every 7 years.

What's the harm?

I actually like this idea. It makes good sense. 14 for football, 12 for basketball.

(09-23-2010 10:00 AM)Airport KC Wrote:  

(09-23-2010 07:27 AM)mpurdy22 Wrote:  

(09-22-2010 07:29 PM)Airport KC Wrote:  

(09-22-2010 06:19 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  Steinbrecher spreading FUD

Remember what all the ADs said right up until the moves were made this summer. "Nothing is imminent". "We're just looking around". Stuff like that.

It was said in the article that the MAC would consider Football-Only members....

Army anyone?

For football only, more likely Louisiana Tech.

The MAC could perform the "Redneck Airlift" and pick up LT, A-State, WKU, MTSU.

MAC South: LT, A-State, WKU, MTSU
MAC West: NIU, BSU, CMU, WMU
MAC Central: EMU, UT, BGSU, Miami
MAC East: Akron, Kent, Ohio, Buffalo

The schedule would then be 3 divisional games w/6 cross divisional (2 of each division) for 9 in total.

The 2 divisional winners with the best overall MAC record play in Detroit for the championship.

In basketball it would be double round-robin interdivisonal (6 games) and then 1 game a piece against everyone else (12 games) each divisional winner would earn a bye to Cleveland.

Temple I could see going to CUSA along with most of the Mountain West as that league is collapsing to try and be the 7th AQ conference.

I don't know if CUSA will ever try and find a spot for WKU, MTSU if they decide to combine with the MWC. This super MAC deal would be pretty good if CUSA is out the window.

MAC-16

For something like this to happen, it would require a lot of shoes to drop. Basically CUSA, Sunbelt, and WAC would all have to change radically for this to happen. It would be kind of fun, though.

(09-22-2010 02:42 PM)Owls Head Wrote:  

(09-22-2010 02:26 PM)rufus Wrote:  

(09-22-2010 08:53 AM)Owls Head Wrote:  I was thinking Richmond, Delaware... though, not sure Richmond would want to do it for basketball?

Richmond is not moving to FBS. They just downgraded to a new 8,500 seat stadium.



Compare that to JMU's 25,000 seat stadium that opens in 2011, with plans in place to take it to 45,000.

Thanks for that info! JMU's stadium looks very nice...

I can't see them going to 45K, unless maybe 10 years down the road if they become a E. Carolina and are in C-USA.

And what conference????

Going from I-AA to 1-A is hard. Most conferences like C-USA don't want a I-AA school until they've proved themselves as an independent.

I could see them going MAC FB ONLY and then moving to maybe C-USA in some years OR if there ever is a new non-AQ BCS conference along the Atlantic Coast (you know, Appy State, JMU, ODU, Ga. State, Charlotte, etc.).

More I think about it, I can see them in the MAC FB only for say less then 10 years, esp. if Temple stays and then if successful enlarge their stadium and jump to C-USA.

I'd bet C-USA would like to have Marshall, ECU and JMU in an eastern division.

Add Charlotte too???

Although I think the idea of having JMU in Va. within a 2 hour drive from D.C. is OVERRATED in terms of 'televison exposure', it would be good to have some more East Coast exposure (Army would have the same effect).

(09-24-2010 05:06 AM)emu steve Wrote:  I can't see them going to 45K, unless maybe 10 years down the road if they become a E. Carolina and are in C-USA.

And what conference????

Going from I-AA to 1-A is hard. Most conferences like C-USA don't want a I-AA school until they've proved themselves as an independent.

I could see them going MAC FB ONLY and then moving to maybe C-USA in some years OR if there ever is a new non-AQ BCS conference along the Atlantic Coast (you know, Appy State, JMU, ODU, Ga. State, Charlotte, etc.).

More I think about it, I can see them in the MAC FB only for say less then 10 years, esp. if Temple stays and then if successful enlarge their stadium and jump to C-USA.

I'd bet C-USA would like to have Marshall, ECU and JMU in an eastern division.

Add Charlotte too???

Although I think the idea of having JMU in Va. within a 2 hour drive from D.C. is OVERRATED in terms of 'televison exposure', it would be good to have some more East Coast exposure (Army would have the same effect).

The picture above is what JMU's stadium will look like for the 2011 season. The capacity will be 25k. I agree that expansion to 45k would only happen in a best-case scenario, but the stadium is designed for additional expansion without going to 45k. Replacing the old side of the stadium with a lower bowl to match the new side will take capacity to around 32k, and adding an upper deck will take capacity to around 38k.

(09-24-2010 06:19 AM)rufus Wrote:  

(09-24-2010 05:06 AM)emu steve Wrote:  I can't see them going to 45K, unless maybe 10 years down the road if they become a E. Carolina and are in C-USA.

And what conference????

Going from I-AA to 1-A is hard. Most conferences like C-USA don't want a I-AA school until they've proved themselves as an independent.

I could see them going MAC FB ONLY and then moving to maybe C-USA in some years OR if there ever is a new non-AQ BCS conference along the Atlantic Coast (you know, Appy State, JMU, ODU, Ga. State, Charlotte, etc.).

More I think about it, I can see them in the MAC FB only for say less then 10 years, esp. if Temple stays and then if successful enlarge their stadium and jump to C-USA.

I'd bet C-USA would like to have Marshall, ECU and JMU in an eastern division.

Add Charlotte too???

Although I think the idea of having JMU in Va. within a 2 hour drive from D.C. is OVERRATED in terms of 'televison exposure', it would be good to have some more East Coast exposure (Army would have the same effect).

The picture above is what JMU's stadium will look like for the 2011 season. The capacity will be 25k. I agree that expansion to 45k would only happen in a best-case scenario, but the stadium is designed for additional expansion without going to 45k. Replacing the old side of the stadium with a lower bowl to match the new side will take capacity to around 32k, and adding an upper deck will take capacity to around 38k.

Where does JMU expect (or want) to be playing FB in 2016?

(09-24-2010 06:28 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Where does JMU expect (or want) to be playing FB in 2016?

That's a very good question. The administration's response has always been "we're satisfied with where we are at this time, but would consider our options if the right opportunity presents itself". I think the investment of $73 million on half of a stadium and an end zone facility says a lot. That's not FCS money.

(09-24-2010 08:55 AM)rufus Wrote:  

(09-24-2010 06:28 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Where does JMU expect (or want) to be playing FB in 2016?

That's a very good question. The administration's response has always been "we're satisfied with where we are at this time, but would consider our options if the right opportunity presents itself". I think the investment of $73 million on half of a stadium and an end zone facility says a lot. That's not FCS money.

Excellent.

I'm not sure it is MAC money either.

I wouldn't be surprised if the thinking was: "We'll go I-A sometime in the current decade. We don't know if it could be MAC, maybe SBC, or even independent with the hope of joining a conference".

I think they want to 'knock the socks off' of some conference looking to expand.

IF I were (free advice ) JMU I'd schedule some OOC games with the MAC, e.g., maybe Ohio, maybe Temple, etc.

Time to get to know some of the MAC ADs, etc.

Do 1 for 2 and have a MAC team or two play in that new stadium.

JMU could try to open the stadium with a MAC team (hope it isn't EMU - don't want to get hit with an emotional tidal wave).

JMU almost had a home and home scheduled with Ball State, but Ball State backed out days after losing to New Hampshire last season, and scheduled Illinois State instead. (It's getting harder and harder for CAA football teams to schedule out of conference.) I remember hearing the rumor during summer 2009, but didn't believe it at the time. After Ball State signed the deal with Illinois State, it makes more sense.

Right now, JMU plays at Akron in 2013, but that's the only MAC game I know of. I don't really see many MAC teams being willing to play at an FCS school, even if it is an FCS school with a bigger stadium and higher attendance than a number of MAC schools. It's a good thought though.

(09-24-2010 10:16 AM)rufus Wrote:  JMU almost had a home and home scheduled with Ball State, but Ball State backed out days after losing to New Hampshire last season, and scheduled Illinois State instead. (It's getting harder and harder for CAA football teams to schedule out of conference.) I remember hearing the rumor during summer 2009, but didn't believe it at the time. After Ball State signed the deal with Illinois State, it makes more sense.

Right now, JMU plays at Akron in 2013, but that's the only MAC game I know of. I don't really see many MAC teams being willing to play at an FCS school, even if it is an FCS school with a bigger stadium and higher attendance than a number of MAC schools. It's a good thought though.

MAC fans (e.g., Miami) will remember this kind of thinking.

It was pretty damn hard to get a name school to play the RedHawks when Big Ben was there... esp. a bowl game.

Guess JMU will get stuck playing schools like Va Tech.

BTW, I've never been on JMU's campus. I will, however, go down ( 2 hour drive) over the Thanksgiving weekend for EMU's basketball game vs. Madison.

I'll have a chance to see the stadium and campus.

We need to go after the FCS teams that the Big East is pretending to consider. I say pretending because I think they're just using it as leverage to see how much commitment they can get out of the eastern C-USA schools. But they are good enough to play FBS ball if they wanted.

If we added UMass, Illinois State, and Delaware as the primary choices, I think we would do pretty well. Each is a "state name" school and they would all compete well from the start. Not to mention spreading our footprint out a bit. JMU is a viable alternative, as is Charlotte.

Of course, adding an existing FBS school would be ideal. Army, Navy, and LA Tech would be great.So would WKU.MTSU as a package deal. I just don't see that as being more likely than convincing some FCS schools to step out of the kiddie pool.

(09-24-2010 12:23 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  If we added UMass, Illinois State, and Delaware as the primary choices, I think we would do pretty well. Each is a "state name" school and they would all compete well from the start. Not to mention spreading our footprint out a bit. JMU is a viable alternative, as is Charlotte.

Of course, adding an existing FBS school would be ideal. Army, Navy, and LA Tech would be great.So would WKU.MTSU as a package deal. I just don't see that as being more likely than convincing some FCS schools to step out of the kiddie pool.

Got to be realistic.

JMU wants to go I-A or why spend huge sums of money on a beautiful, high capacity stadium (would be one of the best in the MAC).

Charlotte, as I've suggested is circa 2016, '18 or '20 (somewhere in those years).

Army and Navy not interested and apparently IL. State, UMass and Del either.

JMU is the ONLY ONE one I see chomping at the bit for a CONFERENCE AFFILIATION soon.

No one else would say, "YES".

(09-23-2010 03:50 AM)RecoveringHillbilly Wrote:  UMass, Charlotte, and SBU could be associate MAC East football members if Temple stays (remember Ohio's president bringing up UMass and SBU, generally shifting the footprint East?), and shifting BGSU back to the West.

Do you have a link for the above? I've heard this mentioned before, but I've never seen it in context.

Among the issues with UMass is that the basketball contingent would revolt against a move to the MAC. It would have to be football-only, with guarantees that the deal wouldn't be yanked out from under us once we've already made the move and have nowhere else to go. It'd be hard enough to make the FBS move if the entire fanbase was mobilized to do it, and completely impossible if the fanbase was divided.

thats why he says associate memebers.... don;t worry either way temple can kick your rear in both sports.