(09-21-2010 04:56 PM)calvin12 Wrote:  

(09-21-2010 04:29 PM)7 Wrote:  

(09-21-2010 03:56 PM)calvin12 Wrote:  

(09-21-2010 12:42 PM)niubrad00 Wrote:  

(09-21-2010 12:29 PM)calvin12 Wrote:  Ive said it before, Kill constantly coached like he's at a D1AA or DII school going against an SEC powerhouse.

Explain.

going for 2 for no reason, having a QB near the lead in conference rushing, "trick" plays. its always lets do "cheesy" things and hope to hang around long enough to get lucky at the end. A real game plan tends to use the Rb's to run the ball, not the QB. Goofy formations to hope to confuse the opposition rather than actually just beating the opposition. although Illness was no better with all the qb draws they were stuck with since their QB blows too.

This is just a dumb post. Lefevour led CMU in rushing 3 of his 4 years at CMU. Does that mean Brian Kelly/Butch Jones are DIII coaches as well?

Guess who led Florida in rushing last three years? Tim Tebow. Tebow was second on the team in rushing his freshman year. They won 2 National Championships in those four years. Does Urban Meyer coach like he's at a DII school?

Boise State is known for it's trick plays, does Chris Peterson coach like a DII coach?

Going back even more, anybody remember what Steve Spurrier was known for when he was the coach of Florida? The trick play.

If you don't like Kill that's fine, but that post was just uninformed.

Boise, yes they were a small school doing tricks to win.
Tebow ran because frankly in spite of the hype hes not really a good QB, he had horrible mechanics and completely had to rework his throwing motion after the season.
Leftover see above (he couldn't even make the bears QB challenged roster).
There is a difference between running *A* trick play and running a trick play offense.

None of those statements prove that you can't do those things and be a successful D-1/FBS program.

(09-21-2010 04:35 PM)bikechuck Wrote:  I thought that Illinois' biggest weakness was their secondary and I do not think that we attacked it enough. Overall, I like Jerry Kill and I think that given time he will bring our program some success.

attack with what? We can not attack directly thru the passing game. We need play action........ Our QB has a water pistol not a gun. You attack with your best weapons and when you meet a stronger force you use deception.

Play calling is the single most over rated item in football. Its a game for professional second guessers.

(09-21-2010 04:56 PM)calvin12 Wrote:  

(09-21-2010 04:29 PM)7 Wrote:  

(09-21-2010 03:56 PM)calvin12 Wrote:  

(09-21-2010 12:42 PM)niubrad00 Wrote:  

(09-21-2010 12:29 PM)calvin12 Wrote:  Ive said it before, Kill constantly coached like he's at a D1AA or DII school going against an SEC powerhouse.

Explain.

going for 2 for no reason, having a QB near the lead in conference rushing, "trick" plays. its always lets do "cheesy" things and hope to hang around long enough to get lucky at the end. A real game plan tends to use the Rb's to run the ball, not the QB. Goofy formations to hope to confuse the opposition rather than actually just beating the opposition. although Illness was no better with all the qb draws they were stuck with since their QB blows too.

This is just a dumb post. Lefevour led CMU in rushing 3 of his 4 years at CMU. Does that mean Brian Kelly/Butch Jones are DIII coaches as well?

Guess who led Florida in rushing last three years? Tim Tebow. Tebow was second on the team in rushing his freshman year. They won 2 National Championships in those four years. Does Urban Meyer coach like he's at a DII school?

Boise State is known for it's trick plays, does Chris Peterson coach like a DII coach?

Going back even more, anybody remember what Steve Spurrier was known for when he was the coach of Florida? The trick play.

If you don't like Kill that's fine, but that post was just uninformed.

Boise, yes they were a small school doing tricks to win.
Tebow ran because frankly in spite of the hype hes not really a good QB, he had horrible mechanics and completely had to rework his throwing motion after the season.
Leftover see above (he couldn't even make the bears QB challenged roster).
There is a difference between running *A* trick play and running a trick play offense.

What are you talking about? Tebow was a GREAT GREAT GREAT college QB. One of the best ever. Lefevour and Tebow's NFL prospects have absolutely nothing to do with what we're talking about.

(09-21-2010 05:26 PM)7 Wrote:  

(09-21-2010 04:56 PM)calvin12 Wrote:  

(09-21-2010 04:29 PM)7 Wrote:  

(09-21-2010 03:56 PM)calvin12 Wrote:  

(09-21-2010 12:42 PM)niubrad00 Wrote:  Explain.

going for 2 for no reason, having a QB near the lead in conference rushing, "trick" plays. its always lets do "cheesy" things and hope to hang around long enough to get lucky at the end. A real game plan tends to use the Rb's to run the ball, not the QB. Goofy formations to hope to confuse the opposition rather than actually just beating the opposition. although Illness was no better with all the qb draws they were stuck with since their QB blows too.

This is just a dumb post. Lefevour led CMU in rushing 3 of his 4 years at CMU. Does that mean Brian Kelly/Butch Jones are DIII coaches as well?

Guess who led Florida in rushing last three years? Tim Tebow. Tebow was second on the team in rushing his freshman year. They won 2 National Championships in those four years. Does Urban Meyer coach like he's at a DII school?

Boise State is known for it's trick plays, does Chris Peterson coach like a DII coach?

Going back even more, anybody remember what Steve Spurrier was known for when he was the coach of Florida? The trick play.

If you don't like Kill that's fine, but that post was just uninformed.

Boise, yes they were a small school doing tricks to win.
Tebow ran because frankly in spite of the hype hes not really a good QB, he had horrible mechanics and completely had to rework his throwing motion after the season.
Leftover see above (he couldn't even make the bears QB challenged roster).
There is a difference between running *A* trick play and running a trick play offense.

What are you talking about? Tebow was a GREAT GREAT GREAT college QB. One of the best ever. Lefevour and Tebow's NFL prospects have absolutely nothing to do with what we're talking about.

This probably isn't terribly relevant to the thread, but the first thing I thought of after reading these posts was Peyton Manning & Tee Martin...Who won the national championship?

I hated Tim Tebow possibly more than I've ever hated an athlete but he was one of the most talented and successful college QB's of all time. Your posts make no sense. We run a "trick play offense"? How many trick plays have we ran in the past 3 years? I'm sure it's about average for all FBS teams. Unless you're considering a read play a "trick play", I really have no clue what you're talking about.

I think your problem is pretty simple...you want to be watching the NFL and not college football.

(09-21-2010 05:00 PM)17Huskies Wrote:  

(09-21-2010 04:56 PM)calvin12 Wrote:  

(09-21-2010 04:29 PM)7 Wrote:  

(09-21-2010 03:56 PM)calvin12 Wrote:  

(09-21-2010 12:42 PM)niubrad00 Wrote:  Explain.

going for 2 for no reason, having a QB near the lead in conference rushing, "trick" plays. its always lets do "cheesy" things and hope to hang around long enough to get lucky at the end. A real game plan tends to use the Rb's to run the ball, not the QB. Goofy formations to hope to confuse the opposition rather than actually just beating the opposition. although Illness was no better with all the qb draws they were stuck with since their QB blows too.

This is just a dumb post. Lefevour led CMU in rushing 3 of his 4 years at CMU. Does that mean Brian Kelly/Butch Jones are DIII coaches as well?

Guess who led Florida in rushing last three years? Tim Tebow. Tebow was second on the team in rushing his freshman year. They won 2 National Championships in those four years. Does Urban Meyer coach like he's at a DII school?

Boise State is known for it's trick plays, does Chris Peterson coach like a DII coach?

Going back even more, anybody remember what Steve Spurrier was known for when he was the coach of Florida? The trick play.

If you don't like Kill that's fine, but that post was just uninformed.

Boise, yes they were a small school doing tricks to win.
Tebow ran because frankly in spite of the hype hes not really a good QB, he had horrible mechanics and completely had to rework his throwing motion after the season.
Leftover see above (he couldn't even make the bears QB challenged roster).
There is a difference between running *A* trick play and running a trick play offense.

None of those statements prove that you can't do those things and be a successful D-1/FBS program.

at what point did I say you can't be successful. I said it was cheesy. If you want to be a "real" team, play like one, don't play cheesy and scared.

(09-21-2010 05:43 PM)armour248 Wrote:  I hated Tim Tebow possibly more than I've ever hated an athlete but he was one of the most talented and successful college QB's of all time. Your posts make no sense. We run a "trick play offense"? How many trick plays have we ran in the past 3 years? I'm sure it's about average for all FBS teams. Unless you're considering a read play a "trick play", I really have no clue what you're talking about.

I think your problem is pretty simple...you want to be watching the NFL and not college football.

If I wanted to watch pro and not college, I wouldn't have season tix for NIU.

(09-21-2010 04:29 PM)7 Wrote:  Lefevour led CMU in rushing 3 of his 4 years at CMU. Does that mean Brian Kelly/Butch Jones are DIII coaches as well?

no it means he had a bad team around him.

Yeah Antonio Brown was an awful college football player.

Anyway, how exactly is this a "trick play offense"?

(09-22-2010 10:56 AM)armour248 Wrote:  Yeah Antonio Brown was an awful college football player.

Anyway, how exactly is this a "trick play offense"?

trick/cheese, I'm tired or repeating it, see above.

(09-22-2010 10:16 AM)calvin12 Wrote:  

(09-21-2010 05:00 PM)17Huskies Wrote:  

(09-21-2010 04:56 PM)calvin12 Wrote:  

(09-21-2010 04:29 PM)7 Wrote:  

(09-21-2010 03:56 PM)calvin12 Wrote:  going for 2 for no reason, having a QB near the lead in conference rushing, "trick" plays. its always lets do "cheesy" things and hope to hang around long enough to get lucky at the end. A real game plan tends to use the Rb's to run the ball, not the QB. Goofy formations to hope to confuse the opposition rather than actually just beating the opposition. although Illness was no better with all the qb draws they were stuck with since their QB blows too.

This is just a dumb post. Lefevour led CMU in rushing 3 of his 4 years at CMU. Does that mean Brian Kelly/Butch Jones are DIII coaches as well?

Guess who led Florida in rushing last three years? Tim Tebow. Tebow was second on the team in rushing his freshman year. They won 2 National Championships in those four years. Does Urban Meyer coach like he's at a DII school?

Boise State is known for it's trick plays, does Chris Peterson coach like a DII coach?

Going back even more, anybody remember what Steve Spurrier was known for when he was the coach of Florida? The trick play.

If you don't like Kill that's fine, but that post was just uninformed.

Boise, yes they were a small school doing tricks to win.
Tebow ran because frankly in spite of the hype hes not really a good QB, he had horrible mechanics and completely had to rework his throwing motion after the season.
Leftover see above (he couldn't even make the bears QB challenged roster).
There is a difference between running *A* trick play and running a trick play offense.

None of those statements prove that you can't do those things and be a successful D-1/FBS program.

at what point did I say you can't be successful. I said it was cheesy. If you want to be a "real" team, play like one, don't play cheesy and scared.

Trick plays aren't cheesy, especially if you're only occasionally doing them. I thought it was a refreshing switch from the standard plays which, by the way, weren't getting us anywhere in the run game.

I do disagree with going for 2 on the first TD, but then I'm not as clear on the actual situation surrounding our place kicker. It's pathetic if we don't even have someone that can kick extra points.

(09-22-2010 11:23 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(09-22-2010 10:16 AM)calvin12 Wrote:  

(09-21-2010 05:00 PM)17Huskies Wrote:  

(09-21-2010 04:56 PM)calvin12 Wrote:  

(09-21-2010 04:29 PM)7 Wrote:  This is just a dumb post. Lefevour led CMU in rushing 3 of his 4 years at CMU. Does that mean Brian Kelly/Butch Jones are DIII coaches as well?

Guess who led Florida in rushing last three years? Tim Tebow. Tebow was second on the team in rushing his freshman year. They won 2 National Championships in those four years. Does Urban Meyer coach like he's at a DII school?

Boise State is known for it's trick plays, does Chris Peterson coach like a DII coach?

Going back even more, anybody remember what Steve Spurrier was known for when he was the coach of Florida? The trick play.

If you don't like Kill that's fine, but that post was just uninformed.

Boise, yes they were a small school doing tricks to win.
Tebow ran because frankly in spite of the hype hes not really a good QB, he had horrible mechanics and completely had to rework his throwing motion after the season.
Leftover see above (he couldn't even make the bears QB challenged roster).
There is a difference between running *A* trick play and running a trick play offense.

None of those statements prove that you can't do those things and be a successful D-1/FBS program.

at what point did I say you can't be successful. I said it was cheesy. If you want to be a "real" team, play like one, don't play cheesy and scared.

Trick plays aren't cheesy, especially if you're only occasionally doing them. I thought it was a refreshing switch from the standard plays which, by the way, weren't getting us anywhere in the run game.

I do disagree with going for 2 on the first TD, but then I'm not as clear on the actual situation surrounding our place kicker. It's pathetic if we don't even have someone that can kick extra points.

I have no problem with occasional tricks either, we just seem to do it way too often and rely on the QB doing was too much running, might as well go back to the option, which is the last desperate offense run by crappy programs who have either no receivers, no QB, no O-line, or are just outclassed by the competition they go against. (when used as the base offense, not a one off play)

(09-21-2010 04:56 PM)calvin12 Wrote:  There is a difference between running *A* trick play and running a trick play offense.

Ok, I'm asking you how are offense is a "trick play offense". I don't think the offensive play calling has been great but but you're offering no explanation for why this is a "trick play" or "cheesy" offense.

(09-22-2010 11:31 AM)calvin12 Wrote:  I have no problem with occasional tricks either, we just seem to do it way too often and rely on the QB doing was too much running, might as well go back to the option, which is the last desperate offense run by crappy programs who have either no receivers, no QB, no O-line, or are just outclassed by the competition they go against. (when used as the base offense, not a one off play)

Georgia Tech ran the option last year, had the #1 drafted WR in the NFL draft and won the ACC. It's a system that they choose to use, not one they are forced into. You clearly don't understand offensive schemes used in college football.

If I'm not mistaken, NIU did gameplan for using the RB's to run the ball and UofI stopped them dead cold. Their defense keyed in on Spann and he got 15 yards. UND kept putting nine men in the box, and he went nowhere there too. That's why Chandler is running all over the place because he can call the play action, throw the ball and run when he needs to, and the last two defenses didn't account for him.

As far as trick plays and the Boise States of the world, you try running single-back Pro set straight into the Oklahoma defensive line and see how far you get.

(09-21-2010 05:43 PM)armour248 Wrote:  I hated Tim Tebow possibly more than I've ever hated an athlete but he was one of the most talented and successful college QB's of all time. Your posts make no sense. We run a "trick play offense"? How many trick plays have we ran in the past 3 years? I'm sure it's about average for all FBS teams. Unless you're considering a read play a "trick play", I really have no clue what you're talking about.

I think your problem is pretty simple...you want to be watching the NFL and not college football.

our offense is about the same as 90% of D1 teams are running these days. Halfback option, IMO, is not a trick play, just a well scouted play just as Mich St's play vs ND.

(09-22-2010 11:36 AM)armour248 Wrote:  

(09-22-2010 11:31 AM)calvin12 Wrote:  I have no problem with occasional tricks either, we just seem to do it way too often and rely on the QB doing was too much running, might as well go back to the option, which is the last desperate offense run by crappy programs who have either no receivers, no QB, no O-line, or are just outclassed by the competition they go against. (when used as the base offense, not a one off play)

Georgia Tech ran the option last year, had the #1 drafted WR in the NFL draft and won the ACC. It's a system that they choose to use, not one they are forced into. You clearly don't understand offensive schemes used in college football.

they were the 116th best passing offense last year, must have had great receivers, the #2 had less that 250 yards. they were worse than us in passing. they used it since they had no good receiver/qb setup

(09-22-2010 11:42 AM)gcd Wrote:  

(09-21-2010 05:43 PM)armour248 Wrote:  I hated Tim Tebow possibly more than I've ever hated an athlete but he was one of the most talented and successful college QB's of all time. Your posts make no sense. We run a "trick play offense"? How many trick plays have we ran in the past 3 years? I'm sure it's about average for all FBS teams. Unless you're considering a read play a "trick play", I really have no clue what you're talking about.

I think your problem is pretty simple...you want to be watching the NFL and not college football.

our offense is about the same as 90% of D1 teams are running these days. Halfback option, IMO, is not a trick play, just a well scouted play just as Mich St's play vs ND.

the option is a cheese offense if its used as the base offense, its fine as a trick, tricks are ok occasionally, if you have to rely on it, you are *not* good.

Was that sarcasm in relation to G. Tech having good WR's? The guy was the number one drafted WR in the NFL...the system they CHOSE to use doesn't focus on throwing the ball downfield, but that doesn't mean they don't have good WR's. The Georgia Tech head coach runs a flexbone option offensive scheme, he ran it with the previous coach's (Chan Gailey) recruits. He didn't go there and say "oh man, we don't have any wide receivers or offensive linemen, we better use the flexbone!".

It's pretty obvious that you simply want to watch pro style offenses exclusively, but calling other schemes "trick" or "cheesy" is just dumb. If you don't enjoy watching a flexbone, spread, or pistol offense that's fine, but what you're saying makes no sense and you're offering no explanation besides "well the QB runs too much."

(09-22-2010 11:59 AM)calvin12 Wrote:  

(09-22-2010 11:36 AM)armour248 Wrote:  

(09-22-2010 11:31 AM)calvin12 Wrote:  I have no problem with occasional tricks either, we just seem to do it way too often and rely on the QB doing was too much running, might as well go back to the option, which is the last desperate offense run by crappy programs who have either no receivers, no QB, no O-line, or are just outclassed by the competition they go against. (when used as the base offense, not a one off play)

Georgia Tech ran the option last year, had the #1 drafted WR in the NFL draft and won the ACC. It's a system that they choose to use, not one they are forced into. You clearly don't understand offensive schemes used in college football.

they were the 116th best passing offense last year, must have had great receivers, the #2 had less that 250 yards. they were worse than us in passing. they used it since they had no good receiver/qb setup

What are you talking about? Georgia Tech runs the option because they brought in Paul Johnson, Navy's old coach, and he put in the same system he ran at Navy (and they still run at Navy). It has nothing to do with their QBs or WRs.

I honeslty don't know if you're being serious or not.