The FBI visited the pastor because he's putting troops in harms way.. Visiting a guy isn't taking his rights away either.

What has Obama done to take this man's rights away Kevin? That's what your original post was about. Explain it. What rights have been taken away from this man?

(09-10-2010 08:09 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  The FBI visited the pastor because he's putting troops in harms way.. Visiting a guy isn't taking his rights away either.

No, the FBI visited the guy out of concern for his safety.

Wouldn't that make Kevin's argument even weaker then?

(09-10-2010 09:12 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  Wouldn't that make Kevin's argument even weaker then?

I'm not supporting Kevin's statement. I'm pointing out that your "putting troops in harms way" is incorrect. I take it as patronizing.

Is inciting the enemy not putting the troops in harms way?

(09-10-2010 09:27 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  Is inciting the enemy not putting the troops in harms way?

You said that is why the FBI visited him. You were and are incorrect.

If we have an enemy, our troops are already in harm's way.

Two different things.

On number one, you were wrong.

On number two, it is a different discussion.

His stupid action which is inciting the enemy has led to death threats. The

Quote:Agents spent about a half hour talking to Terry Jones, but a church spokesman wouldn't disclose what they discussed.

Quote:"I just want him to understand that this stunt that he is talking about pulling could greatly endanger our young men and women in uniform who are in Iraq, who are in Afghanistan," Obama said. He said the Quran-burning would be a "recruitment bonanza for al-Qaida. ... This could increase the recruitment of individuals who'd be willing to blow themselves up in American cities, or European cities."

Quote:International police agencies are warning of attacks if the Qurans are burned.

The FBI says extremists might retaliate in the U.S. as well.

Although it doesn't say the exact nature of their visit, they clearly let him know his actions could put American's in harms way. To just say it was only about the death threats is ridiculous.

(09-10-2010 09:55 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  Although it doesn't say the exact nature of their visit, they clearly let him know his actions could put American's in harms way. To just say it was only about the death threats is ridiculous.

There is no indication they discussed "putting troops in harm's way." To say they did, with no indication they did so, is, in your words, "ridiculous."

And, for law enforcement to come and day that to him would certainly be an uncomfortable Constituation position.

You were and are factually wrong. Move on.

General Petraeus himself suggested as much. I'll take his word over yours.

There was nothing factually wrong about what I said. The leader of our military said he put troops in harms way, the FBI said he puts American's in harms way and went to talk to him about it.

Your line of bull**** about it only being to see him for the suicide threats is the only thing that seems to be factually wrong.

(09-10-2010 12:40 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(09-09-2010 09:35 PM)Kevin S Wrote:  

(09-09-2010 08:08 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  So again.. you don't seem to understand. No one is stopping him from doing it. What should the president do?

You asked for Mr. Obama to defend the man's rights. None of his rights are being taken away. He said, I don't like it, but he can do it. That is defending his rights. How do you not understand this? It's not complicated. Just as he said the people building the mosque have the right do it, but he doesn't know if it is wise to do so, he's said here he doesn't agree with it, but he has the right do so. It's nearly the exact same response.

And one group is trying to promote peace, the other is antagonizing a group on purpose, making it harder for our troops to do their job. Why would he support this? Why would he go beyond saying, it's within the man's rights to do it?



No one takes you seriously when you bring up real problems with Obama when you talk about nonsense like this. He is upholding the man's rights by not stopping him. By saying that he can do it, Obama is doing exactly what you've asked and yet, you still *****.


If anyone is seeing the true face of someone, it's of an ignorant, intolerant, hateful, small time pastor in Florida and those who seem to think this is a good idea or somehow would bring any positive result, not of Islam. It's of uneducated fools like yourself Kevin, who lump all Muslims in the same group, and have no clue what the religion is about. Grow up you pathetic child, you are an embarrassment to Christians and NIU, and democracy in general.

Barack Obama has stood up for this man's rights by saying he has the right do what he wants, but you're just too blind with ignorant hatred for Muslims and a liberal president you refuse to acknowledge it.


For the last time. How is Barack Obama not defending the constitution in this situation? What has he done here that isn't defending this man's rights? Explain your position.

The article you posted suggests you are completely wrong. What am I missing Kevin? I'm not talking about liberal pundits or Muslims in general (btw most Conservative pundits are against it too), I'm talking about Barack Obama. The guy you put in the title, what has he done to not defend this man's rights or the constitution? What rights have been taken away from his man?

First, if the president is doing all that he could to defend the pastors rights, why is Eric Holder, the Attorney General having the Justice Dept. open up a probe into this matter? Why is the president not having the Attorney General threaten to prosecute anyone who tries to interfere with the pastor's rights? Secondly, why did the FBI visit the pastor today? Did they just stop by to say hi? Why did the state fire marshal who was accompanied by an armed state police officer threaten to prosecute the pastor for violating the fire code? People light campfires in their back yard all of the time. I highly doubt the state fire marshal visits them.

Secondly, you have a profoundly ignorant view of Islam. Have you ever been to an Islamic country? I have and it was an eye opening experience going there. Saudi Arabia, the birthplace of Islam and leading Islamic country is a hell on earth. Walk around with a bible and you will be arrested and jailed. You are forbidden from wearing non-Islamic religious symbols under threat of arrest. They treat their women worse than Drew Peterson does. They are the least tolerant society on earth. Even a somewhat allegedly moderate Islamic state like Turkey is still a suck shack. I recently helped a client divest their business interests from there. The client wanted no part of their Islamic rules, especially how they treated women. That is the true face of Islam. I guess I must just be an ignorant child because I demand women be treated with respect and I will not slit the throats of anyone who has different religious beliefs.

Your problem is that your head has been shoved up your A*s for so long that after only smelling your farts for years you think your distorted view of life is reality. You have a lot of growing up in life to do.

Seems to me you could use a little US history lesson. Not to mention brushing up on other religions when it comes to womens rights. I think you may be shocked at what you find. :)

Your comment shows how much of a sh*t for brains you are!!! America has a history of stoning women for adultery? It has always been American custom and law that a wife is a man's personal property and in a divorce he can just say I divorce you 3 times, throw her out of the house and it is legal? Christianity has always treated women as sub-humans? A woman, the Virgin Mary is one of Christianity's most revered figures. Mr. Religious scholar and (aclown) name me a woman who is revered in Islam? I think you should follow the advice of the Zen philosopher Basho and embrace shame! Also, fyi, one of my majors at NIU was history.

How many more of these bitchy threads about what Obama's not doing are you reichwingers going to post. This nutjob pastor's actions have nothing to do with the President and his response has been measured and proper when asking the "pastor" (title should be attention whore and crook for stealing $ from the German church he pastored which is why he was kicked out) to reconsider his actions.

THe only gov't body that may keep him from doing what's he's advocated is the Pensacola Fire Dept due to his not having a permit to burn the books.

Try posting something that actually has some substance and meaning instead of supporting a grandstanding attention whore.