(08-22-2010 10:53 AM)ARandomHerdFan Wrote:  

(08-22-2010 10:38 AM)Steelbeard Wrote:  The best part about this thread is that Rice, Memphis and Marshall's second and third string would probably give up 1,000 yards.

I'd be very interested to see some information to back up your statement.

C-USA has very little depth, pretty much zero past second string. Would you want to play your third string against another team's first string O? I sure as heck wouldn't. You'll get about the same situation with 600+ yards.

(08-22-2010 02:07 PM)Steelbeard Wrote:  

(08-22-2010 10:53 AM)ARandomHerdFan Wrote:  

(08-22-2010 10:38 AM)Steelbeard Wrote:  The best part about this thread is that Rice, Memphis and Marshall's second and third string would probably give up 1,000 yards.

I'd be very interested to see some information to back up your statement.

C-USA has very little depth, pretty much zero past second string. Would you want to play your third string against another team's first string O? I sure as heck wouldn't. You'll get about the same situation with 600+ yards.

So what you're saying is the 662 yards of offense really wasn't impressive. That then begs the question - why would an ECU fan start a thread about it like it was impressive?

Nice thread.

If you are going to clear it up, clear it up instead of mudding it worse than WNC pirate. McNeil said it was the 1st team offense vs the 2nd team defense, and the 1st team defense vs the second team offense thoe 4 groups for 60 snaps.

That's the 2 deep playing each other, not anymore the 1st team beating up on the 2nd string than the 1st team defense beating up on the 2nd team offense. Took the last 20 snaps with third teams. Normal sounding scrimage. Doesn't sound like the 1st team offense ever played the 3rd string at all.

McNeil's own words.

http://www.ecupirates.com/allaccess/

The stats were combined stats all the way down to third string. Even the 4th string QB got some snaps. Positive that everyone seems to be picking things up, that was the point. Must not be as difficult to install as some tried to say or things are clicking.

(08-22-2010 11:48 AM)dwr0109 Wrote:  

(08-22-2010 11:35 AM)southernmiss4ever Wrote:  

(08-22-2010 11:19 AM)UofMfan18 Wrote:  ECU football fans are nearly as bad as some of our basketball fans and they don't even know it.

I'm starting to think the same thing.

Progression of this thread:

- ECU fan starts a thread clarifying that the scrimmage was mostly against the 2nd and 3rd string defensive players.

- Rice fan takes a shot at ECU.

- Memphis fan takes a shot at ECU.

- Then Marshall fan takes a shot at ECU.

- Then 2 ECU fans jump in and fire back.


Now we're getting compared to Memphis fans? After this summer, I can't believe anyone would even consider making that comparison.

I could pull up dozens of Memphis threads where you and your ECU buddies chimed in and hijacked the thread. Most of them were good-natured threads too.

Dear God,

Please end the preseason soon. People are starting to go crazy and post about how great their practice was...

(08-22-2010 04:31 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  Dear God,

Please end the preseason soon. People are starting to go crazy and post about how great their practice was...

Truer words have never been spoken.

Offense spectacular or Defense horrible?

You just don't know when your playing with yourself.

I understand where these ECU fans are coming from. They won back to back C-USA titles and now they might not finish as high as 4th in the East. They are scared.

When we came to C-USA we knew that we weren't going to be running through conference play like we did in the MAC so we were scared. We didn't know that we were going to be as bad as we were, or that it would last so long, but we were scared. Anything new scares people if it could be a change for the worse. Both ECU and Marshall changed coaches, but we have been bad, so we aren't so scared anymore, we are hopeful that our new coach will turn things around. ECU has been good, and if it ain't broke don't fix it, however now it seems like ECU is going to play offense like Houston, and defense, well, like Houston. So they don't know what to expect.

(08-22-2010 04:56 PM)MU42 Wrote:  I understand where these ECU fans are coming from. They won back to back C-USA titles and now they might not finish as high as 4th in the East. They are scared.

When we came to C-USA we knew that we weren't going to be running through conference play like we did in the MAC so we were scared. We didn't know that we were going to be as bad as we were, or that it would last so long, but we were scared. Anything new scares people if it could be a change for the worse. Both ECU and Marshall changed coaches, but we have been bad, so we aren't so scared anymore, we are hopeful that our new coach will turn things around. ECU has been good, and if it ain't broke don't fix it, however now it seems like ECU is going to play offense like Houston, and defense, well, like Houston. So they don't know what to expect.

If there is any fear it is about the unknown this year. As far as our Defense... we will not play like Houston. Coach Ruff was a great Defensive Coordinator. His Texas Tech Defense gave up less points last year then our highly celebrated ECU Defense against far superior competition. With experience and players who are coming on board next years ECU Defense could be potentially nasty. I think CUSA East will be close as usual with no team head and shoulder above the rest. Last two years we won CUSA East the ball bounces another way we could have finished 2nd. On the other hand ball bounces the other way the two previous years and we could have won CUSA East 4yrs in a row. Anything can happen on any College Football Field. CUSA is known for our parody. No team ever really runs away with it and dominates. Houston has the potential to dominate this year but I don't see a team in the East that is just going to blow everybody away.

I edited the title to better suit the theme of this thread.

(08-22-2010 02:32 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Nice thread.

If you are going to clear it up, clear it up instead of mudding it worse than WNC pirate. McNeil said it was the 1st team offense vs the 2nd team defense, and the 1st team defense vs the second team offense thoe 4 groups for 60 snaps.

That's the 2 deep playing each other, not anymore the 1st team beating up on the 2nd string than the 1st team defense beating up on the 2nd team offense. Took the last 20 snaps with third teams. Normal sounding scrimage. Doesn't sound like the 1st team offense ever played the 3rd string at all.

McNeil's on words.

http://www.ecupirates.com/allaccess/

The stats were combined stats all the way down to third string. Even the 4th string QB got some snaps. Positive that everyone seems to be picking things up, that was the point. Must not be as difficult to install as some tried to say or things are clicking.

I read the write-up, and the starting linebacker I spoke with was the leading tackler in the game. That right there tells me I got the wrong impression from him about it being mostly backups.

So now we know it was conducted in typical scrimmage format. Everyone, adjust your flames accordingly.

(08-22-2010 04:56 PM)MU42 Wrote:  When we came to C-USA we knew that we weren't going to be running through conference play like we did in the MAC so we were scared.

When you can't cheat anymore and are on probation that's understandable.

Quote:Anything new scares people if it could be a change for the worse. Both ECU and Marshall changed coaches, but we have been bad, so we aren't so scared anymore, we are hopeful that our new coach will turn things around. ECU has been good, and if it ain't broke don't fix it,

I disagree. I think most pirate fans welcome the change, lot of fans were already growing restless with Holtz. It's what happens when you raise the bar. People want more.

Holtz was solid but the style he played would probably always limit our high end potential. I think he would have always had a solid 7-10 win guy year in year out even with our difficult schedules. He wasn't going to take to many risk either way and we have the resources by comparison to always compete in CUSA if we have a decent coach.

I think this new staff has much more high end potential if we want to take the next step beyond just competing in CUSA and start actally winning vs the BCS compedition more consistantly we have less than. For that we a probably needed to change. Yeah they have a lot more risk of falling on their face too than the proven staff that left, but it's a risk I think we are prepared for at this point.

Bottom line was he left, change was coming regardless. Just as well take that chance now on the "higher end" potiential, and it was a good time to change anyway in what is considered a rebuilding year. Texas Tech has a history of doing more with less. Not like they had a plethora of NFL talent over the years yet they consistently just kept plugging guys into that system and putting up the best offensive numbers in the nation. We need that.

Quote:however now it seems like ECU is going to play offense like Houston, and defense, well, like Houston. So they don't know what to expect.

This is where I think you are wrong. It's assumed we won with defense correct? McNeil defense last year was significantly better in total defense than ours. Texas Tech only allowed 22ppg which was top 40. That's good, but for a team that plays hurry up score quickly like they do instead of sit on the clock like Holtz did, and play in the conference they do (not to mention played Houston OOC) that's pretty excellent. I don't expect a bad defenses either.

(08-22-2010 04:50 PM)Purplehook Wrote:  You just don't know when your playing with yourself.

I was told it was shaking more than twice.

(08-22-2010 05:32 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(08-22-2010 04:56 PM)MU42 Wrote:  When we came to C-USA we knew that we weren't going to be running through conference play like we did in the MAC so we were scared.

When you can't cheat anymore and are on probation that's understandable.

Quote:Anything new scares people if it could be a change for the worse. Both ECU and Marshall changed coaches, but we have been bad, so we aren't so scared anymore, we are hopeful that our new coach will turn things around. ECU has been good, and if it ain't broke don't fix it,

I disagree. I think most pirate fans welcome the change, lot of fans were already growing restless with Holtz. It's what happens when you raise the bar.

Holtz was solid but the style he played would probably always limit our high end potential. I think he would have always had a solid 7-10 win guy year in year out even with our difficult schedules. I think this new staff has much more high end potential if we want to take the next step.

Texas Tech has a history of doing more with less. Not like they had a plethora of NFL talent over the years yet they consistently just kept plugging guys into that system and putting up the best offensive numbers in the nation.

Quote:however now it seems like ECU is going to play offense like Houston, and defense, well, like Houston. So they don't know what to expect.

This is where I think you are wrong. It's assumed we won with defense correct? McNeil defense last year was significantly better in total defense than ours. Texas Tech only allowed 22ppg which was top 40. That's good, but for a team that plays hurry up score quickly like they do instead of sit on the clock like Holtz did, and play in the conference they do (not to mention played Houston OOC) that's pretty excellent. I don't expect a bad defenses either.

Hammer on nail SJ. Folks for some reason think the philosphy of Ruff is to beat teams 60-52. He is a Defensive guy first and brought in a young offensive guru to run the Offense. If our Defense has any problems I expect Coach Ruff will be all over it and have the final say for sure on that side of the field.

Defensive minded coach commited to running the best offense in football, and with a roldex 10 years deep of the best people he's worked with personally to do it. Best of both worlds IMO.

It's pretty clear in hearing him talk that he has a lot of respect for this style of offense and believes in it's potiental and what it can provide a program.

I cant imagine he would have stuck at Texas Tech as long as he did if he didn't, because professionally his defenses had a lot of pressure put on them by that offense style, and would have always been overshadowed and never would have got the respect they really deserved. Case in point this poster not recognizing the quality of defense they had under Ruffin.

I thought the defensive staff he assembled was a pretty impessive unit until the idiot got himself fired last week and we had to add a 1st year coach.

(08-22-2010 04:31 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  Dear God,

Please end the preseason soon. People are starting to go crazy and post about how great their practice was...

I couldn't agree more. Let's wait until the first snap, then talk the smak..