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"Football-only" SBC-WAC solution
USU, Idaho, and possibly SJSU and Hawaii play football-only in SBC, and relocate their other sports to some combination of Big West, WCC, or Big Sky (Denver would be a part of this, too). NMSU and LT join SBC full-time. Assuming that everything else stays put, football could look like...

West:
North Tx
Hawaii
NMSU
La Tech
Ark St
Idaho
Utah St
SJSU

East:
Troy
South Alabama
FIU
FAU
WKU
ULM
UL
MTSU

9 Conference games (7+2), Championship game alternates between Shreveport and a neutral eastern site, maybe Nashville, Birmingham or Jacksonville.

Yes, there are holes in this, but is it workable for football-only ?
08-19-2010 12:11 AM
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RE: "Football-only" SBC-WAC solution
Is it workable?

Sure.

Does it benefit the current members in any way?

Nope.
08-19-2010 12:16 AM
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All members or just MTSU ?
08-19-2010 12:18 AM
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(08-19-2010 12:18 AM)Curtzilla Wrote:  All members or just MTSU ?

Convince me it benefits anyone, other than giving strays a hot meal and a roof over their head.
08-19-2010 12:21 AM
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(08-19-2010 12:21 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(08-19-2010 12:18 AM)Curtzilla Wrote:  All members or just MTSU ?

Convince me it benefits anyone, other than giving strays a hot meal and a roof over their head.

Only if you'll first explain how increased bowl games and upgraded opponents benefits no one outside Murfreesboro.
08-19-2010 12:27 AM
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RE: "Football-only" SBC-WAC solution
(08-19-2010 12:27 AM)Curtzilla Wrote:  
(08-19-2010 12:21 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(08-19-2010 12:18 AM)Curtzilla Wrote:  All members or just MTSU ?

Convince me it benefits anyone, other than giving strays a hot meal and a roof over their head.

Only if you'll first explain how increased bowl games and upgraded opponents benefits no one outside Murfreesboro.

Okay...where do I begin...

To be honest, I think I might go back and re-answer your original question and say that it's not workable as long as Hawaii is in the mix. I don't think it works on either end with Hawaii, I can't see us honestly wanting them and I can't see them wanting us. A conference that stretches from Honolulu to Miami? Seriously? From Hawaii's end, they currently travel east of New Mexico for football once every other year when they go to Ruston, in this proposed scenario they'd be doing it at least twice a year with having UNT, La Tech and Ark State in their division and playing an east division team on the road. So one year they'd be @ Ark State and @ Troy and the following year they'd be at @ UNT @ La Tech and @ WKU. So I just don't see Hawaii wanting any part of us or us wanting any part of them and taking Hawaii out eliminates one of the only real "upgraded competition" teams.

Now as far as the rest of it, where else do I begin?

The conference championship game idea is a bad one too, do you really think that NMSU, SJSU, USU or Idaho would agree to the "western" neutral site being Shreveport? How many Spartan fans will show up in Shreveport for a Sun Belt championship game? It would be in the hundreds. With a geographic footprint like the one you're proposing there is absolutely nowhere to put it, the only somewhat viable option would be to play it at one of the participating teams home stadium and then you're giving a decided advantage to one of the teams.

As far as the "upgraded competition" idea goes, who are you talking about?

New Mexico State? They've had two winning seasons in the last thirty years.

Utah State? They've had four winning seasons in the last thirty years.

San Jose State? They've had twelve winning seasons in the last thirty years, but only two since 1992.

Idaho? They've had nineteen winning seasons in the last thirty years, impressive, but since 1999 they've only had two.

La Tech? They've had nine winning seasons since going FBS in 1989.

La Tech is probably the most attractive of the candidates based on their being within the existing footprint and they have a decent name recognition. Provided that Idaho's 2009 season wasn't a fluke, Idaho at least would be adding a competitive team, but in regards to your idea of "better competition" two out of the five teams that might work would come in and beef up the middle of the pack in our conference and only one of those two is a team that's going attract anything in the way of a casual fan. The other three would be bringing up the rear every year. You're basically talking about adding two decent teams and picking up three horrible dead weights.

More bowls? Which bowls would those be? I doubt we'd keep the WAC's humanitarian bid, there's no way they'd want to risk getting stuck with an eastern based team that might bring 400 fans to that game. In the end we'd probably only be picking up the New Mexico bowl and maybe the Poinsettia bowl. Two bowls that 75% of the conference would take less than a thousand fans to.
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RE: "Football-only" SBC-WAC solution
(08-19-2010 12:11 AM)Curtzilla Wrote:  USU, Idaho, and possibly SJSU and Hawaii play football-only in SBC, and relocate their other sports to some combination of Big West, WCC, or Big Sky (Denver would be a part of this, too). NMSU and LT join SBC full-time. Assuming that everything else stays put, football could look like...

West:
North Tx
Hawaii
NMSU
La Tech
Ark St
Idaho
Utah St
SJSU

East:
Troy
South Alabama
FIU
FAU
WKU
ULM
UL
MTSU

9 Conference games (7+2), Championship game alternates between Shreveport and a neutral eastern site, maybe Nashville, Birmingham or Jacksonville.

Yes, there are holes in this, but is it workable for football-only ?

Not workable...you are proposing a league that is destined to fall apart within the first 5 years. The foot print is too large, travel expenses will be too great, and most of the programs proposed will come in with sights set on moving to another league as soon as they get the chance...moreover, please tell us what value and stability any of those programs bring to the SBC. We need programs that want to be in the SBC and help make it succeed. We do not need programs that will just use the SBC to help keep them warm while they shop for a "better" place to play.
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RE: "Football-only" SBC-WAC solution
(08-19-2010 12:27 AM)Curtzilla Wrote:  
(08-19-2010 12:21 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(08-19-2010 12:18 AM)Curtzilla Wrote:  All members or just MTSU ?

Convince me it benefits anyone, other than giving strays a hot meal and a roof over their head.

Only if you'll first explain how increased bowl games and upgraded opponents benefits no one outside Murfreesboro.

First everyone who knows college football knows that most bowls are a bought and paid for advertisement. I'm not interested in underwriting bowl games in Idaho, Hawaii, or California. New Mexico is feasible, let's visit.

Second USU and Idaho SUCK to travel to. Been there, done that. It's not worth the cost. SJSU isn't cheap, and neither is Hawaii. When something costs more than it benefits you don't do it.

Finally, I didn't see any lifeboats heading out from Hawaii or San Jose when we were on the verge of going under as a league. I see no reason we should do what no other league would do which is take teams just to be nice.

Someone may crunch the numbers and find NMSU and Tech worth adding and if that's the case, add them. This is a business after all.
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RE: "Football-only" SBC-WAC solution
(08-19-2010 12:11 AM)Curtzilla Wrote:  USU, Idaho, and possibly SJSU and Hawaii play football-only in SBC, and relocate their other sports to some combination of Big West, WCC, or Big Sky (Denver would be a part of this, too). NMSU and LT join SBC full-time. Assuming that everything else stays put, football could look like...

West:
North Tx
Hawaii
NMSU
La Tech
Ark St
Idaho
Utah St
SJSU

East:
Troy
South Alabama
FIU
FAU
WKU
ULM
UL
MTSU

9 Conference games (7+2), Championship game alternates between Shreveport and a neutral eastern site, maybe Nashville, Birmingham or Jacksonville.

Yes, there are holes in this, but is it workable for football-only ?

No thanks
08-19-2010 07:53 AM
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RE: "Football-only" SBC-WAC solution
Let the WAC rot. They are too "elite" for us.
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No thanks; let the WAC die so Nevada (??) and Fresno do not have to pay the WAC exit fee. The SBC does not need any of the WAC schools!
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I agree,

Id rather stay with what we have then take back the west schools. Its a nice geographic fit with the exception of us Florida schools. But we bring recruting value.
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RE: "Football-only" SBC-WAC solution
(08-19-2010 12:11 AM)Curtzilla Wrote:  USU, Idaho, and possibly SJSU and Hawaii play football-only in SBC, and relocate their other sports to some combination of Big West, WCC, or Big Sky (Denver would be a part of this, too). NMSU and LT join SBC full-time. Assuming that everything else stays put, football could look like...

West:
North Tx
Hawaii
NMSU
La Tech
Ark St
Idaho
Utah St
SJSU


East:
Troy
South Alabama
FIU
FAU
WKU
ULM
UL
MTSU

9 Conference games (7+2), Championship game alternates between Shreveport and a neutral eastern site, maybe Nashville, Birmingham or Jacksonville.

Yes, there are holes in this, but is it workable for football-only ?

Ew.
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West:
North Tx
Hawaii
NMSU
La Tech
Ark St
Idaho
Utah St
SJSU

This line up stinks the place up; no way. Let the WAC schools find another hand out to survive . . . :domokun:
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(08-19-2010 12:11 AM)Curtzilla Wrote:  UWest:
North Tx
Hawaii
NMSU
La Tech
Ark St
Idaho
Utah St
SJSU


As a North Texas fan, there is no way I would want to be in a division like that! Have you ever tried to get to Logan, UT? Moscow, ID is only slightly better. I don't want to downgrade the conference schedule much when NT has a chance to rebuild. The only WACy bowl I would consider is the New Mexico Bowl because of the winter sport opportunities nearby.
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Guys, with USA coming on board we are two schools away from a Championship game. Tech and NMSU would round us out to 12 REAL Sun Belt Schools stretching from Florida to New Mexico with every state in between (except Miss.).

That's a growing demographic which will get the attention of the national media outlets. We will pass the MAC this year and if somebody goes on a run, we could demand the attention of a Ball St. a few years back.

It's all now within reach.
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But like you said in another post.

Does WW have the stones to call those schools RIGHT now and pitch it that way?

Lets hope so.
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LA-Tech to the SB would be in the best interest of both parties... BUT it wouldn't hurt me to see La-Tech suffer. You can't just burn your bridges and expect a ready welcome back. Let them suffer.
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I really liked NMSU, and our games with them were 2nd to none....but that distance is some serious mileage.
But given that.....I'd rather have them than Loser Tech....(yeah....I ain't forgettin')
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La Tech would rather disband athletics than come to SBC (their words on BBB).... so let em.
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