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Doktyr X Wrote:Well done Draak, very well done. I came from a long line of Scot and Irish folk but I am an American. Most of my ancestors have been here for more than 200 years; in good conscience, I could nor would consider myself Irish or Scottish. Nationality comes from a cultural identity shared by large group of people, it is not just about borders.

BTW Great discussion.

its not too hard poking holes in a dfarr line of logic. he is too narrowminded for deep thought. still he does not hold a candle to the saxion tree of logic for inane drivel. and yes dfarr i know the phrase "inane drivel" is repetative and excessive but i was describing sax (or should i say 'diss-scribing').

draak ijveraar Wrote:

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LightEmUp70 Wrote:If you read albinoblacksheep.com's history of french warfare, you would no that the first rule of French warfare is the French can only when when being led by a non-frenchman. Therefore, Napolean was not french.

I thought he was a Corsican or something like that.

He was born in Corsica, but Corsica was part of France at that time.

But wouldn't that be like being born in the Phillipines when the U.S. controlled them and calling yourself an American instead of Filipino?

Yeah, common sense would lead you to that opinion. Then again, sarah has no common sense. She calls Puerto Ricans American simply b/c they're a US territory.

She can't grasp the fact that a person's heritage has little to do with their citizenship and more to do with the culture they were raised in.

Looks like I'm winning!!!

guess what Puerto Ricans are united states citizens. they have been citiznes for generations and have been serving honoralby in the united states armed forces for generations as well.

Bonaparte was Corsican first and French second. He was not Italian. In his youth he was a hard core Corsican nationalist but was not welcomed by Pascal Poali in the movement. As a result he became an opportunist and allied himself to whatever movement served his career and self advancement at the time. dfarr why dont you try reading a book you might just learn something.

I know that they're US citizens, but I doubt many of them call themselves Americans. They identify themselves as Puerto Ricans, just as Bonaparte would have identified himself as a Corsican. Just because a certain country "owns" where you are born doesn't make you of that culture.

draak ijveraar Wrote:

Doktyr X Wrote:Well done Draak, very well done. I came from a long line of Scot and Irish folk but I am an American. Most of my ancestors have been here for more than 200 years; in good conscience, I could nor would consider myself Irish or Scottish. Nationality comes from a cultural identity shared by large group of people, it is not just about borders.

BTW Great discussion.

its not too hard poking holes in a dfarr line of logic. he is too narrowminded for deep thought. still he does not hold a candle to the saxion tree of logic for inane drivel. and yes dfarr i know the phrase "inane drivel" is repetative and excessive but i was describing sax (or should i say 'diss-scribing').

You have obviously misunderstood my logic because you're making my points.

Bonaparte was born on the island of Corsica while it was a French territory. Simply being a territory makes Bonarparte a French citizen, but it does not make him French culturally, just like someone born in Guam makes them a US citizen but culturally not American.

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draak ijveraar Wrote:

Doktyr X Wrote:Well done Draak, very well done. I came from a long line of Scot and Irish folk but I am an American. Most of my ancestors have been here for more than 200 years; in good conscience, I could nor would consider myself Irish or Scottish. Nationality comes from a cultural identity shared by large group of people, it is not just about borders.

BTW Great discussion.

its not too hard poking holes in a dfarr line of logic. he is too narrowminded for deep thought. still he does not hold a candle to the saxion tree of logic for inane drivel. and yes dfarr i know the phrase "inane drivel" is repetative and excessive but i was describing sax (or should i say 'diss-scribing').

You have obviously misunderstood my logic because you're making my points.

Bonaparte was born on the island of Corsica while it was a French territory. Simply being a territory makes Bonarparte a French citizen, but it does not make him French culturally, just like someone born in Guam makes them a US citizen but culturally not American.

No Dfarr you are just too dense to get it. Have you ever met any Puerto Ricans? Did you realize that there are more people of Puerto Rican decent living in New York City than San Juan? There are some key differences between the Corsican example an d Pureto Rico. The french had just taken over Corsica when Bonaparte was born. The US has controlled Puerto Rico for 110 years. While Purerto Ricans have a strong cultural identity the vast majority of them, especially those living on the mainland, consider themselves americans.

I think the true issue here is that you have a hard time considering people that are not WASPS americans. You are just too small minded and uninformed to understand that the american culture is not limited to the culture of middle and upper class white aglo saxon prods.
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draak ijveraar Wrote:

dfarr Wrote:

draak ijveraar Wrote:

Doktyr X Wrote:Well done Draak, very well done. I came from a long line of Scot and Irish folk but I am an American. Most of my ancestors have been here for more than 200 years; in good conscience, I could nor would consider myself Irish or Scottish. Nationality comes from a cultural identity shared by large group of people, it is not just about borders.

BTW Great discussion.

its not too hard poking holes in a dfarr line of logic. he is too narrowminded for deep thought. still he does not hold a candle to the saxion tree of logic for inane drivel. and yes dfarr i know the phrase "inane drivel" is repetative and excessive but i was describing sax (or should i say 'diss-scribing').

You have obviously misunderstood my logic because you're making my points.

Bonaparte was born on the island of Corsica while it was a French territory. Simply being a territory makes Bonarparte a French citizen, but it does not make him French culturally, just like someone born in Guam makes them a US citizen but culturally not American.

No Dfarr you are just too dense to get it. Have you ever met any Puerto Ricans? Did you realize that there are more people of Puerto Rican decent living in New York City than San Juan? There are some key differences between the Corsican example an d Pureto Rico. The french had just taken over Corsica when Bonaparte was born. The US has controlled Puerto Rico for 110 years. While Purerto Ricans have a strong cultural identity the vast majority of them, especially those living on the mainland, consider themselves americans.

I think the true issue here is that you have a hard time considering people that are not WASPS americans. You are just too small minded and uninformed to understand that the american culture is not limited to the culture of middle and upper class white aglo saxon prods.
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Someone of Puerto Rican decent is completely different than someone born in Puerto Rico who is a US citizen you dipshit. My family is from Germany, so does that make me German or American? Bonaparte was born in Corsica as a Corsican while it was controlled by the French. Just like if I was born in the Phillipines while it was controlled by the US. Does the country that owns the land determine the culture, or does the culture on the land determine it? That's my point. Corsica being under French rule, just like Puerto Rico being under US rule, does not make the people of Corsica then or Puerto Rico now part of the cultures that control their land.

dfarr you should change your name to dogma because you stick to your view without regard to evidence or truth. you are a waste of time and bandwith.

draak ijveraar Wrote:dfarr you should change your name to dogma because you stick to your view without regard to evidence or truth. you are a waste of time and bandwith.

He would make a great RNC chairman.