It strikes me that millions of Americans are willing to lump in an extremely small minority of a religious group and deny them their constitutionally protected rights. But that's ok, as long as it's not WASPs being discriminated against.

Remember, WAPSs are discriminated against on a daily basis. They are victims.

So what about the victims families who were Muslim in 9/11? How do you think they feel?

I'd be interested to see the discussion on this topic: Did you all know that Jeffrey Dahmer, infamous murderer and cannibal, was a Christian? Should Christians in the U.S. have their rights infringed upon because of that association?

Have at it.

(08-20-2010 01:46 PM)Whinny1 Wrote:  I'd be interested to see the discussion on this topic: Did you all know that Jeffrey Dahmer, infamous murderer and cannibal, was a Christian? Should Christians in the U.S. have their rights infringed upon because of that association?

Have at it.

I think he took the sacrements too literal..........."This is my body, given up for you"

Interesting perspective, and it really gets to the "emotions over facts" issues. Also a revealing look into those who have suddenly opposed the building of the cultural center that has been proposed since Dec. 2009.

From NY Times:

THE “ground zero mosque,” as you may well know by now, is not at ground zero. It’s not a mosque but an Islamic cultural center containing a prayer room. It’s not going to determine President Obama’s political future or the elections of 2010 or 2012. Still, the battle that has broken out over this project in Lower Manhattan — on the “hallowed ground” of a shuttered Burlington Coat Factory store one block from the New York Dolls Gentlemen’s Club — will prove eventful all the same. And the consequences will be far more profound than any midterm election results or any of the grand debates now raging 24/7 over the parameters of tolerance, religious freedom, and the real estate gospel of location, location, location.

More at: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/22/opinio...=frankrich

LOVE the perspective! Thanks for bringing the link over, chipfan.

And in addendum to my post about Jeffrey Dahmer, do you all know that Timothy McVey, perpetrator of the horrific Oklahoma City bombing, was a devout Christian? Would anyone be protesting if a Protestant church was being planned for that area? I think not.

(08-24-2010 03:43 PM)Whinny1 Wrote:  And in addendum to my post about Jeffrey Dahmer, do you all know that Timothy McVey, perpetrator of the horrific Oklahoma City bombing, was a devout Christian? Would anyone be protesting if a Protestant church was being planned for that area? I think not.

Terry Nichols is about 10 years younger than I and graduated from the same high school. The family had a farm and my mother knew them from her work. I have family that graduated from school with him. His family voted conservative Republican and attended church regularly.

Well, the NYT has one perspective, as does writer Frank Rich who has demonstrated that he toes the leftist line in everything he writes. Rich and the Times can spin with the best of them, trying their best to elevate Imam Rauf to near godlike status.

Here's a different perspective for those with an open enough mind to actually listen and perhaps learn some things that the old gray (dying) lady and other MSM outlets don't really want you to hear about the oh-so "moderate" Imam Rauf.

BTW - I don't particularly like Hannity and never watch his show. While searching for the video I wanted, I ran across this link to a Hannity clip where he has on Robert Spencer of Jihadwatch, whom I greatly admire. Spencer cut right to the chase.





I believe that the following was from a conference in Australia in 2005. Listen to what Rauf says very carefully. This is what his version of "tolerance" sounds like.





Writes Geller in her comments on the YouTube post:

Quote:No mention of the 270 million victims of over a millennium of jihadi wars, land appropriations, cultural annihilation and enslavement. No mention of the recent slaughter by Muslims of Christians, Hindus, Jews, non-believers in Indonesia, Thailand, Ethiopia, Somalia, Philippines, Lebanon, Israel, Russia, China................ no candor, no criticism of Islam. Imam Feisal: "The West needs to begin to see themselves through the eyes of the Arab and Muslim world, and when you do you will see the predicament that exists within the Muslim community."

On the question of reforming Islam and expunging the texts of the threat doctrine and mandated violence and conquest: Imam Feisal: On the issue of the reformation, in terms of what is again intended by it, Islam does not need a reformation. Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf: "So men will say: women, you know, they're emotional, ..... whatever, whatever, and women will say: men, they're brutes, insensitive, etcetera, and you have the beginning of a gender conflict. If gender is not what distinguishes us we'll look at skin colouring and say: n***** or whities, or whatever"

Reverend Al Sharpton was unavailable for comment. Too busy endorsing the Islamic supremacist mosque. Imam Faisal: And when we observe terrorism, whether it was done by the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka or by al Qaida or whoever is behind the bombings in London or those in Madrid,

Note, when he says about the London and Madrid bombings,that was five days after the London attacks and over a year after Madrid. It was common knowledge who the perps were at that time.

MH, you biggoted islamophobe. You sir are a racist.

You are ignorant as well. :muttering:

Hannity It's a good thing you qualified that you dislike him

Just preparing you for the pandoras box you're opening.............The left leaners here don't take kindly to opposing view points.