So I think most people believe that expansion will wait until we see what the Big 10 does at the end of the year. That being said we have at least one more football season.

A majority of ECU's allure is the on the field success during the Holtz era. Does ECU's chances take a major hit if they fall on their face this season?

(grabs popcorn to watch pirate fans erupt on topic)

Can we get a front side pic of that girl?

(07-12-2010 11:33 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  A majority of ECU's allure is the on the field success during the Holtz era. Does ECU's chances take a major hit if they fall on their face this season?

(grabs popcorn to watch pirate fans erupt on topic)

NO we'd just look like UCF if we did.

Armored, just kidding, but who knows. I think a lot of it has to do with the outcome of PT's investigation into the TV aspect of things. I think we still have to be competative and we have to put butts in the seats. If we average between 45-48K for each home game I think that will offset any short of another conference championship.

(07-12-2010 11:42 AM)SmokinPirate Wrote:  

(07-12-2010 11:33 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  A majority of ECU's allure is the on the field success during the Holtz era. Does ECU's chances take a major hit if they fall on their face this season?

(grabs popcorn to watch pirate fans erupt on topic)

NO we'd just look like UCF if we did.

Armored, just kidding, but who knows. I think a lot of it has to do with the outcome of PT's investigation into the TV aspect of things. I think we still have to be competative and we have to put butts in the seats. If we average between 45-48K for each home game I think that will offset any short of another conference championship.

Good point, but don't you think butts in seats will decrease if its a bad football season? (or is that just more relevant to Florida schools)

Wow. What a weak smack thread.

Maybe we should have a thread on UCF's bowl record or record v. BCS teams - or record against ECU - and how that will "hurts chance on expansion"......

...and "A majority of ECU's allure is the on the field success during the Holtz era.."??? Wow.....you're either really intent on starting a pissing thread - or don't know much at all about the topic you're trying to run smack on......

...but have at it....

The Big East is essentially waiting of the Big10+2. There will be no split until the Big10+2 grabs a school, or schools, from the Big East. The Big East will never make the first move.

The UT Conference (Big12-2) will do what UT says. Missouri is still waiting on the Big10+2 invite, and will do so forever. Why Oklahoma and A&M put up with UT is beyond me. I guess hanging with UT is better than hanging with Bama and LSU, and in some respects, I fully understand.

BYU is now Utah's *****. Utah will now outeaRn BYU and outrecruit them in the process. BYU now looks toward the UT Conference with longing eyes, knowing that's their only hope to keep up with the Joneses.

Everyone in C-USA is now looking at our revenues and the harsh reality that unless a FAIR 16-team playoff comes about, the disparity will continue to increase. We'll slowly grow our fanbase, as we have been. We'll slowly expand and improve our facilities, as we have been. We won't die off. We'll just grow slower than we'd like. If you think about it, how big can the stadiums get before the fan need binoculars to see the field? How many suites can you build? How long before every game in FBS is televised? It'll top-out somewhere. Does anybody believe we could have 150k-seat stadiums?

On the flip side, if Temple goes 11-1 or 12-0 with wins over UConn/Penn State, and finishes in the top 25, what will that do for our chances for expansion?

Expansion is not going to be dictated by a good or bad season in isolation. If ECU finishes 4-7 or 7-4, it won't make a difference. What will matter is that ECU has low academic credentials, is located in a state where they are the 5th college team, have little to no national appeal, and bring very little value to the conference outside of being a warm body.

(07-12-2010 12:35 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  On the flip side, if Temple goes 11-1 or 12-0 with wins over UConn/Penn State, and finishes in the top 25, what will that do for our chances for expansion?

Nothing. You think Pitt or WVU care if you beat up a bunch of MAC schools? You think that is going to impress those who already kicked you out of the conference only 7 years ago? No. Thinking that making another low level bowl game will help your chances is flat wrong.

(07-12-2010 12:39 PM)OrangeCrush Wrote:  Expansion is not going to be dictated by a good or bad season in isolation. If ECU finishes 4-7 or 7-4, it won't make a difference. What will matter is that ECU has low academic credentials, is located in a state where they are the 5th college team, have little to no national appeal, and bring very little value to the conference outside of being a warm body.

You do realize that you just described USF, before they entered the BE, right?

(07-12-2010 12:47 PM)LUVECU Wrote:  

(07-12-2010 12:39 PM)OrangeCrush Wrote:  Expansion is not going to be dictated by a good or bad season in isolation. If ECU finishes 4-7 or 7-4, it won't make a difference. What will matter is that ECU has low academic credentials, is located in a state where they are the 5th college team, have little to no national appeal, and bring very little value to the conference outside of being a warm body.

You do realize that you just described USF, before they entered the BE, right?

Yes. And USF was very controversial. But it was between UCF and USF, our options were very limited at that time. Temple was not considered a valid option as their athletic program was dubbed as "toxic."

One USF is enough. If we flood our conference with USFes, then I would prefer Cuse, Pitt, UConn and Rutgers take their ball and go elsewhere.

(07-12-2010 11:33 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  So I think most people believe that expansion will wait until we see what the Big 10 does at the end of the year. That being said we have at least one more football season.

A majority of ECU's allure is the on the field success during the Holtz era. Does ECU's chances take a major hit if they fall on their face this season?

(grabs popcorn to watch pirate fans erupt on topic)

Take a hit to what exactly? You are acting as though ECU is being considered by someone for expansion. Even their AD, spouting off like a spurned suitor recently, let it be known his school isn't being sought after by anyone and will remain a CUSA team.

(07-12-2010 12:50 PM)OrangeCrush Wrote:  Temple was not considered a valid option as their athletic program was dubbed as "toxic."

Please explain what this means.

(07-12-2010 01:28 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(07-12-2010 12:50 PM)OrangeCrush Wrote:  Temple was not considered a valid option as their athletic program was dubbed as "toxic."

Please explain what this means.

It means that at the time of our last expansion, our options were extremeley limited, and thus USF was invited. Louisville and Cincy were easy choices, as they were national athletic programs. Temple was part of the conference, but their administration had failed so miserably that they were being kicked out for good, and the options became USF or UCF. Neither attractive options, but we needed an 8th member, so USF was invited.

Now that doesn't mean that because USF was invited as somewhat of a last resort that all the USF-type schools should now be invited. Far from it.

(07-12-2010 01:30 PM)OrangeCrush Wrote:  their administration had failed so miserably that they were being kicked out for good

That's what toxic means?

(07-12-2010 12:50 PM)OrangeCrush Wrote:  

(07-12-2010 12:47 PM)LUVECU Wrote:  

(07-12-2010 12:39 PM)OrangeCrush Wrote:  Expansion is not going to be dictated by a good or bad season in isolation. If ECU finishes 4-7 or 7-4, it won't make a difference. What will matter is that ECU has low academic credentials, is located in a state where they are the 5th college team, have little to no national appeal, and bring very little value to the conference outside of being a warm body.

You do realize that you just described USF, before they entered the BE, right?

Yes. And USF was very controversial. But it was between UCF and USF, our options were very limited at that time. Temple was not considered a valid option as their athletic program was dubbed as "toxic."

One USF is enough. If we flood our conference with USFes, then I would prefer Cuse, Pitt, UConn and Rutgers take their ball and go elsewhere.

Where?

where?

how about we just keep our doors closed. It is, afterall, our conference. We don't have to take our ball and go anywhere, we just don't have to let you in.

thank god for that.

(07-12-2010 12:07 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

(07-12-2010 11:42 AM)SmokinPirate Wrote:  

(07-12-2010 11:33 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  A majority of ECU's allure is the on the field success during the Holtz era. Does ECU's chances take a major hit if they fall on their face this season?

(grabs popcorn to watch pirate fans erupt on topic)

NO we'd just look like UCF if we did.

Armored, just kidding, but who knows. I think a lot of it has to do with the outcome of PT's investigation into the TV aspect of things. I think we still have to be competative and we have to put butts in the seats. If we average between 45-48K for each home game I think that will offset any short of another conference championship.

Good point, but don't you think butts in seats will decrease if its a bad football season? (or is that just more relevant to Florida schools)

I predict that East Carolina will average 45,000 a game this year. Our attendance isnt directly related to our record. I attended a game where both teams were 0-4 at East Carolina that was sold out.

East Carolina has upgraded its football facilities and hired an alum as a coach...I think you'll see great support, which in actuality will support our effort as much as anything...because even if the team struggles, the environment and support will not waver. I expect to see about 50,000 in our stadium in October whether we are unbeaten or winless.

(07-12-2010 12:29 PM)USM@FTL Wrote:  The Big East is essentially waiting of the Big10+2. There will be no split until the Big10+2 grabs a school, or schools, from the Big East. The Big East will never make the first move.

The UT Conference (Big12-2) will do what UT says. Missouri is still waiting on the Big10+2 invite, and will do so forever. Why Oklahoma and A&M put up with UT is beyond me. I guess hanging with UT is better than hanging with Bama and LSU, and in some respects, I fully understand.

BYU is now Utah's *****. Utah will now outeaRn BYU and outrecruit them in the process. BYU now looks toward the UT Conference with longing eyes, knowing that's their only hope to keep up with the Joneses.

Everyone in C-USA is now looking at our revenues and the harsh reality that unless a FAIR 16-team playoff comes about, the disparity will continue to increase. We'll slowly grow our fanbase, as we have been. We'll slowly expand and improve our facilities, as we have been. We won't die off. We'll just grow slower than we'd like. If you think about it, how big can the stadiums get before the fan need binoculars to see the field? How many suites can you build? How long before every game in FBS is televised? It'll top-out somewhere. Does anybody believe we could have 150k-seat stadiums?

Utah joining the PAC 10 does not automatically mean that Utah will outrecruit BYU, the fact is that BYU is still the flagship university of the mormon church and they primarily recruit LDS athletes. I have a lot of friends who are LDS, some who were athletes at BYU and many chose BYU because it was the church school and it was the best personal fit for them. That won't change with Utah joining the PAC 10.

Where did this thread come from?