RE: If ECU doesn't have a winning season this year... hurts chance on expansion
Obviously it will have an effect, but since everyone expects us to have a lousy 5-7 year at best, it won't be as bad as if we went 5-7 last year or in 2008. On the flip side, a team with high expectations like UCF or Temple has to meet or surpass expectations or they will look twice as bad. Memphis is in a situation where they've got nothing to lose and everything to gain.
The big problem for all of us is that there won't be a Big East conference in three years due to basketball schools not knowing nor caring a toot about football as per the usual.
RE: If ECU doesn't have a winning season this year... hurts chance on expansion
(07-12-2010 01:37 PM)OrangeCrush Wrote: where?
how about we just keep our doors closed. It is, afterall, our conference. We don't have to take our ball and go anywhere, we just don't have to let you in.
RE: If ECU doesn't have a winning season this year... hurts chance on expansion
(07-12-2010 01:37 PM)OrangeCrush Wrote: where?
how about we just keep our doors closed. It is, afterall, our conference. We don't have to take our ball and go anywhere, we just don't have to let you in.
thank god for that.
By "WE" you must mean "THEY". YOU have no say in the matter my pronoun challenged friend.
(This post was last modified: 07-14-2010 03:09 PM by SmokeyOneKenobi.)
RE: If ECU doesn't have a winning season this year... hurts chance on expansion
My guess is UCF embarassing record vs AQ BCS schools and their big Bagel in Bowl games will not impact the Big East picking you and ECU having a losing record this year will not effect us. If the Big East is using a snapshot of 1yr to determine the fate of their Conference over the next Decade then they are idiots.
Look at Virginia Tech's record prior to entering the Big East
1991 5-6
1990 6-5
1989 6-4-1
1988 3-8
There first year in the Big East 2-8-1 2nd year 9-3 and they were off and running. It is what you do after you join a AQ BCS Conference that counts...see University of Cincinnati who has blown up since joining the Big East. This means that UCF as mediocre as you have been could turn out to be a very successful program as a AQ BCS school. ECU had more success on the football field with no AQ BCS status then VT and UC so it only makes sense that we could enjoy the same level of success they have since joining an AQ BCS Conference. One year will not make or break that.
RE: If ECU doesn't have a winning season this year... hurts chance on expansion
(07-14-2010 06:34 PM)ShoreBuc Wrote: My guess is UCF embarassing record vs AQ BCS schools and their big Bagel in Bowl games will not impact the Big East picking you and ECU having a losing record this year will not effect us. If the Big East is using a snapshot of 1yr to determine the fate of their Conference over the next Decade then they are idiots.
Look at Virginia Tech's record prior to entering the Big East
1991 5-6
1990 6-5
1989 6-4-1
1988 3-8
There first year in the Big East 2-8-1 2nd year 9-3 and they were off and running. It is what you do after you join a AQ BCS Conference that counts...see University of Cincinnati who has blown up since joining the Big East. This means that UCF as mediocre as you have been could turn out to be a very successful program as a AQ BCS school. ECU had more success on the football field with no AQ BCS status then VT and UC so it only makes sense that we could enjoy the same level of success they have since joining an AQ BCS Conference. One year will not make or break that.
Just to be fair, East Carolina and Virginia Tech had relatively identical D-1 records when Tech joined the Big East. I wouldnt say ECU beat VT but they were comparable.
RE: If ECU doesn't have a winning season this year... hurts chance on expansion
(07-12-2010 01:25 PM)buckaineer Wrote: Take a hit to what exactly? You are acting as though ECU is being considered by someone for expansion. Even their AD, spouting off like a spurned suitor recently, let it be known his school isn't being sought after by anyone and will remain a CUSA team.
I challenge you to find any part of TH's comments that were incorrect. His message to the Pirate fans only confirmed what most of us already knew, that the BE was going to do nothing and continue to flounder as the weakest BCS conference.
(This post was last modified: 07-15-2010 01:26 PM by 200yrs2late.)
RE: If ECU doesn't have a winning season this year... hurts chance on expansion
(07-12-2010 01:25 PM)buckaineer Wrote:
(07-12-2010 11:33 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote: So I think most people believe that expansion will wait until we see what the Big 10 does at the end of the year. That being said we have at least one more football season.
A majority of ECU's allure is the on the field success during the Holtz era. Does ECU's chances take a major hit if they fall on their face this season?
(grabs popcorn to watch pirate fans erupt on topic)
Take a hit to what exactly? You are acting as though ECU is being considered by someone for expansion. Even their AD, spouting off like a spurned suitor recently, let it be known his school isn't being sought after by anyone and will remain a CUSA team.
You are the pot calling the kettle black. If I ever seen someone spouting off about things they know nothing about, is you.
RE: If ECU doesn't have a winning season this year... hurts chance on expansion
(07-12-2010 11:33 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote: So I think most people believe that expansion will wait until we see what the Big 10 does at the end of the year. That being said we have at least one more football season.
A majority of ECU's allure is the on the field success during the Holtz era. Does ECU's chances take a major hit if they fall on their face this season?
(grabs popcorn to watch pirate fans erupt on topic)
ECU's chances will not take a major hit regardless of the record that the Pirates will have this year. I think that we will have a winning record anyway because despite having graduated a lot of players last year we have a lot of players coming back with experience. Also, our QB situation will be better this year and that is something that insiders to the ECU program understand and outsiders don't understand.
Also, coach Ruffin is the real deal.
Getting in a BCS conference has more to do with politics and a lucrative TV deal than wins on the field anyway.
Something for you to chew on your popcorn with: ECU is 8 - 1 against UCF all time.
RE: If ECU doesn't have a winning season this year... hurts chance on expansion
(07-12-2010 01:37 PM)OrangeCrush Wrote: where?
how about we just keep our doors closed. It is, afterall, our conference. We don't have to take our ball and go anywhere, we just don't have to let you in.
thank god for that.
I thought we were talking about Football.
(ECU fans should recognize this kind of poster...kind of like a UNC version of the Big East but without the legit recruiting classes)
RE: If ECU doesn't have a winning season this year... hurts chance on expansion
(07-12-2010 12:35 PM)JHG722 Wrote: On the flip side, if Temple goes 11-1 or 12-0 with wins over UConn/Penn State, and finishes in the top 25, what will that do for our chances for expansion?
RE: If ECU doesn't have a winning season this year... hurts chance on expansion
(07-12-2010 11:33 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote: So I think most people believe that expansion will wait until we see what the Big 10 does at the end of the year. That being said we have at least one more football season.
A majority of ECU's allure is the on the field success during the Holtz era. Does ECU's chances take a major hit if they fall on their face this season?
(grabs popcorn to watch pirate fans erupt on topic)
RE: If ECU doesn't have a winning season this year... hurts chance on expansion
(07-14-2010 08:42 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:
(07-14-2010 06:34 PM)ShoreBuc Wrote: My guess is UCF embarassing record vs AQ BCS schools and their big Bagel in Bowl games will not impact the Big East picking you and ECU having a losing record this year will not effect us. If the Big East is using a snapshot of 1yr to determine the fate of their Conference over the next Decade then they are idiots.
Look at Virginia Tech's record prior to entering the Big East
1991 5-6[/b][/i] ECU won 24-17
1990 6-5 ECU lost 23-24
1989 6-4-1 ECU won 14-10
1988 3-8 [b][i]ECU lost VT 16-27
There first year in the Big East 2-8-1 2nd year 9-3 and they were off and running. It is what you do after you join a AQ BCS Conference that counts...see University of Cincinnati who has blown up since joining the Big East. This means that UCF as mediocre as you have been could turn out to be a very successful program as a AQ BCS school. ECU had more success on the football field with no AQ BCS status then VT and UC so it only makes sense that we could enjoy the same level of success they have since joining an AQ BCS Conference. One year will not make or break that.
Just to be fair, East Carolina and Virginia Tech had relatively identical D-1 records when Tech joined the Big East. I wouldnt say ECU beat VT but they were comparable.
I would say it was a dead heat I added the head to head with VT in the years listed above 2-2, I would say we could and did beat them plus in 1991 we went 11-1 finished #9 in the final polls. Think Syracuse was mad we F___ed their season with a come from behind win 23-20.
RE: If ECU doesn't have a winning season this year... hurts chance on expansion
(07-12-2010 12:39 PM)OrangeCrush Wrote: Expansion is not going to be dictated by a good or bad season in isolation. If ECU finishes 4-7 or 7-4, it won't make a difference. What will matter is that ECU has little to no national appeal, and bring very little value to the conference outside of being a warm body.
He didn't just describe USF, he described every team in the Big East with the exception of WVU and maybe Pitt in terms of football. Whatever national appeal is, I wouldn't say Syracuse, Cincinnati, Rutgers, UConn, USF, or Louisville have it. Don't bother bringing up basketball. You're fine in basketball. If the Big East expands it will be motivated solely by football. All other things being equal, the BE may take the team with a better basketball program, but aside from that it doesn't matter. Every year around selection time we hear Big East teams whine about how hard their conference is and they are getting left out of the tournament for worse teams from other conferences. So the logical direction would be to bring in another basketball power right?
(This post was last modified: 08-21-2010 02:50 AM by TheEastisPurple.)
RE: If ECU doesn't have a winning season this year... 0% chance on expansion
(07-12-2010 12:07 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:
(07-12-2010 11:42 AM)SmokinPirate Wrote:
(07-12-2010 11:33 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote: A majority of ECU's allure is the on the field success during the Holtz era. Does ECU's chances take a major hit if they fall on their face this season?
(grabs popcorn to watch pirate fans erupt on topic)
NO we'd just look like UCF if we did.
Armored, just kidding, but who knows. I think a lot of it has to do with the outcome of PT's investigation into the TV aspect of things. I think we still have to be competative and we have to put butts in the seats. If we average between 45-48K for each home game I think that will offset any short of another conference championship.
Good point, but don't you think butts in seats will decrease if its a bad football season? (or is that just more relevant to Florida schools)
RE: If ECU doesn't have a winning season this year... hurts chance on expansion
(07-12-2010 12:39 PM)OrangeCrush Wrote: Expansion is not going to be dictated by a good or bad season in isolation. If ECU finishes 4-7 or 7-4, it won't make a difference. What will matter is that ECU has low academic credentials, is located in a state where they are the 5th college team, have little to no national appeal, and bring very little value to the conference outside of being a warm body.
Cincy had a .7 rating this past weekend for their game. In all fairness we did too. This does not speak highly of a conference that has teams that are attractive to watch. The Big East needs a shot of life in the arm. I think we are one team that can give a shot in the arm because we have a strong appeal regionally in NC, VA and parts of SC. That can be grown when given the opportunity on a national stage.
RE: If ECU doesn't have a winning season this year... hurts chance on expansion
(07-12-2010 12:29 PM)USM@FTL Wrote: The Big East is essentially waiting of the Big10+2. There will be no split until the Big10+2 grabs a school, or schools, from the Big East. The Big East will never make the first move.
The UT Conference (Big12-2) will do what UT says. Missouri is still waiting on the Big10+2 invite, and will do so forever. Why Oklahoma and A&M put up with UT is beyond me. I guess hanging with UT is better than hanging with Bama and LSU, and in some respects, I fully understand.
BYU is now Utah's *****. Utah will now outeaRn BYU and outrecruit them in the process. BYU now looks toward the UT Conference with longing eyes, knowing that's their only hope to keep up with the Joneses.
Everyone in C-USA is now looking at our revenues and the harsh reality that unless a FAIR 16-team playoff comes about, the disparity will continue to increase. We'll slowly grow our fanbase, as we have been. We'll slowly expand and improve our facilities, as we have been. We won't die off. We'll just grow slower than we'd like. If you think about it, how big can the stadiums get before the fan need binoculars to see the field? How many suites can you build? How long before every game in FBS is televised? It'll top-out somewhere. Does anybody believe we could have 150k-seat stadiums?
Yeah, those seats in the upper decks are horrible. The fans are paying for "the experience" of being there; you can barely see the game from that high. It's like the times the Tigers travel to Knoxville, it's fun to be there but, you can't see the game from the nose bleeds that well...a lot of the time is spent watching the big TV screen. I'd rather watch a game in the good old Liberty Bowl any time versus the megalith stadiums that have the luxury suites lower down, forcing the less financially-fortunate fans (big-time boosters) up high; here, it's backwards, the boxes are ABOVE seats you can get for $10 (of free depending on how bad the Tigers are playing) plus those boxes make a nice sun/rain shield. Bama and UTK have started an arms race to see who'll be bigger in the South, stadium size-wise; and Michigan and Penn State are duking it out in Big 10+2 land. I guess they'd have to build an upper-upper-deck on them to break the 150K mark.
I know here at the U of M we're trying to crack into the BCS, but I'm not sure those that are in are wanting to share their piece of the pie with those that are out, unless their conference can profit from it, like with adding a conference game. I really think the (I like how you label them) Big 12-2 will have to add two teams and get their conference game back; I know Texas has said they think they can break into the BCS Championship Game without playing the extra game, but they better hope they don't lose a single game and all the conferences with championship games lose more than once...if not, Texas isn't getting in the big game. The Big 12-2 will be on the outside looking in, just like the Big East has since the new format has been in place. Cincy was undefeated last year and played in the Sugar Bowl (they lost, so no controversy from them about who is #1), that could be Texas one year when, say a Big 10 goes undefeated and plays a one-loss SEC school. It'll just happen once, and then you'll see the Big 12-2 want to expand and get that championship game back, but if they do stay at 10, I bet that happens.
I wish they'd get a playoff. The system as is IS unfair. And so biased towards the SEC, they hog just about all the bowl games...it just makes the rich richer and leaves the rest of the schools dying a slow death.