(07-02-2010 10:34 AM)GPSKnight Wrote:  Honestly, will an undefeated Big East team ever play for a national title? It is very unlikely to happen IMO. A one loss SEC, Big 10, Big 12, ACC, or PAC 10 will always get the nod over the Big East team. The Big East plays the least confarence games among BCS confarences and gets disrepected in the polls because of this. The Big East's only hope is to have the top teams from the SEC, Big 10, Big 12, ACC, or Pac 10 finish with more than one loss and someone in the Big East going undefeated.

A one loss WVU team would have played for the title a few years ago; so yes it does not take what you state.

If WVU would have beaten Pitt in 2007, they would have still got bumped by (Missouri if they did not lose the Big 12 Championship game) or LSU due to the SEC championship game placing them several % points over a mythical 1 loss WVU team, which has been stated to be true over the years.

If WVU had beaten Pitt in 2007. They would have finished 11-1 and #1 in the final BCS poll. Missouri lost, remember? And the SEC Champion had 2 losses, which was why WVU was so highly ranked prior to the game. If you'll remember, the Mountaineers were #1 in the AP poll, and #2 in the rest going into the Pitt game...

(07-02-2010 10:34 AM)GPSKnight Wrote:  Honestly, will an undefeated Big East team ever play for a national title? It is very unlikely to happen IMO. A one loss SEC, Big 10, Big 12, ACC, or PAC 10 will always get the nod over the Big East team. The Big East plays the least confarence games among BCS confarences and gets disrepected in the polls because of this. The Big East's only hope is to have the top teams from the SEC, Big 10, Big 12, ACC, or Pac 10 finish with more than one loss and someone in the Big East going undefeated.

No one loss team would have got the nod over Cincinnati last year. UC just ran into the bad luck of going undefeated in a year where there were several other undefeated teams.

(07-02-2010 11:17 AM)GPSKnight Wrote:  If WVU would have beaten Pitt in 2007, they would have still got bumped by (Missouri if they did not lose the Big 12 Championship game) or LSU due to the SEC championship game placing them several % points over a mythical 1 loss WVU team, which has been stated to be true over the years.

Incorrect. Going into December 1, 2007 all WVU & Missouri had to do was win and they'd be playing each other for the NC. LSU and Ohio State weren't jumping either team without them losing.

(07-02-2010 11:28 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  If WVU had beaten Pitt in 2007. They would have finished 11-1 and #1 in the final BCS poll. Missouri lost, remember? And the SEC Champion had 2 losses, which was why WVU was so highly ranked prior to the game. If you'll remember, the Mountaineers were #1 in the AP poll, and #2 in the rest going into the Pitt game...

Ohio State was the BCS #1 before WVU lost to Pitt. WVU was battling for the 2nd spot; however, LSU's in the SEC championship game would have trumped WVU's 11-1 season by a few percentage points.

(07-02-2010 11:33 AM)subflea Wrote:  

(07-02-2010 10:34 AM)GPSKnight Wrote:  Honestly, will an undefeated Big East team ever play for a national title? It is very unlikely to happen IMO. A one loss SEC, Big 10, Big 12, ACC, or PAC 10 will always get the nod over the Big East team. The Big East plays the least confarence games among BCS confarences and gets disrepected in the polls because of this. The Big East's only hope is to have the top teams from the SEC, Big 10, Big 12, ACC, or Pac 10 finish with more than one loss and someone in the Big East going undefeated.

No one loss team would have got the nod over Cincinnati last year. UC just ran into the bad luck of going undefeated in a year where there were several other undefeated teams.

Why didn't Cincinnati play for the NC last year? Was it SOS, perception, or the fact that they were in the Big East? It could be debated that if Cincinnati played either another BCS opponent or a non-AQ BCS team that finished with a winning record instead of a sub division school, they would have inched Texas by a few percentage points.

(07-02-2010 11:43 AM)GPSKnight Wrote:  

(07-02-2010 11:28 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  If WVU had beaten Pitt in 2007. They would have finished 11-1 and #1 in the final BCS poll. Missouri lost, remember? And the SEC Champion had 2 losses, which was why WVU was so highly ranked prior to the game. If you'll remember, the Mountaineers were #1 in the AP poll, and #2 in the rest going into the Pitt game...

Ohio State was the BCS #1 before WVU lost to Pitt. WVU was battling for the 2nd spot; however, LSU's in the SEC championship game would have trumped WVU's 11-1 season by a few percentage points.

(07-02-2010 11:33 AM)subflea Wrote:  

(07-02-2010 10:34 AM)GPSKnight Wrote:  Honestly, will an undefeated Big East team ever play for a national title? It is very unlikely to happen IMO. A one loss SEC, Big 10, Big 12, ACC, or PAC 10 will always get the nod over the Big East team. The Big East plays the least confarence games among BCS confarences and gets disrepected in the polls because of this. The Big East's only hope is to have the top teams from the SEC, Big 10, Big 12, ACC, or Pac 10 finish with more than one loss and someone in the Big East going undefeated.

No one loss team would have got the nod over Cincinnati last year. UC just ran into the bad luck of going undefeated in a year where there were several other undefeated teams.

Why didn't Cincinnati play for the NC last year? Was it SOS, perception, or the fact that they were in the Big East? It could be debated that if Cincinnati played either another BCS opponent or a non-AQ BCS team that finished with a winning record instead of a sub division school, they would have inched Texas by a few percentage points.

UC started off the season unranked. Texas started the season in the Top 5. No way was UC going to jump UT without them losing.

(07-02-2010 11:43 AM)GPSKnight Wrote:  

(07-02-2010 11:28 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  If WVU had beaten Pitt in 2007. They would have finished 11-1 and #1 in the final BCS poll. Missouri lost, remember? And the SEC Champion had 2 losses, which was why WVU was so highly ranked prior to the game. If you'll remember, the Mountaineers were #1 in the AP poll, and #2 in the rest going into the Pitt game...

Ohio State was the BCS #1 before WVU lost to Pitt. WVU was battling for the 2nd spot; however, LSU's in the SEC championship game would have trumped WVU's 11-1 season by a few percentage points.

Missouri was the team ranked #1 ahead of WVU in the BCS and Coaches polls going into the final weekend of the season, not Ohio State. Both teams lost on the final weekend, eliminating both from national championship contention...

Look it up...

(07-02-2010 11:43 AM)GPSKnight Wrote:  Why didn't Cincinnati play for the NC last year? Was it SOS, perception, or the fact that they were in the Big East? It could be debated that if Cincinnati played either another BCS opponent or a non-AQ BCS team that finished with a winning record instead of a sub division school, they would have inched Texas by a few percentage points.

MichaelSavage has it right. Since UC started the season unranked, they never had a chance to move ahead of the schools that had been there all season long in the voters eyes. They finished the season ranked ahead of Texas and TCU in the computers, but behind both in the Coaches and Harris polls. Both of those teams had been ahead of them throughout the season and with UC having close games down the stretch the couldn't get the votes to get ahead of them. As a result they were #3 in the final BCS standings.

No change in UC's schedule would have bumped them ahead of Texas in the BCS since they were already ahead of them in the computers.

When round two happens in expansion:

1) Syracuse, Rutgers, UConn and Pitt will be hoping they can go to the Big 10.

2) West Virginia, Louisville, Cincinnati, South Florida, Syracuse, Rutgers, UConn and Pitt all are hoping to be added to the ACC.

3) Louisville and Cincinnati would consider a Big 12 offer.

4) Louisville would consider forming a new 12 team all sports conference.

Yes, the Big East is in a rut. Everbody knows we dodged a bulliet for the moment.

Notre Dame has to join a conference! Time is running out for them, also.

At the end of the day, if the Big East survies, it will be a 20 team conference. 12 teams for football and a championship game. Basketball will have two ten team divisions. The eight team basketball tournment will have the top four finishers from each division. Fail to do this and the Big East as we know it dies.

That's one of the problems I see with the polls. A team may start out lower in the polls. But it doesn't necessarily mean that the team that started out higher is the better team. It merely means they get more respect nationally. This is the main reason I don't think there should be a poll until week 5 or 6. Let's see the teams play some football before we decide who's better...

Agree, Bit.

We need to start getting that respect! We have opportunities this year to get some BIG wins over other BCS programs. Let's do it.

How are we going to get such respect when every team that gets more respect has more fans? Therein lies the rub...

More fans is what I was getting at when I originally suggested we need to double our attendance figures. If the BEast teams could draw 70,000-90,000 per game we would have come a long long way. It would equal more money, plus much more exposure. It would symbolize "big time" football in the minds of many.

I think polls, though fun to see, are worthless. They represent almost nothing of truth. It's an opinion poll not an accurate determinant of the skill and ability that teams have. That can only be determined in head to head competition. College football is the ONLY sport where teams aren't allowed to determine their own greatness. Rather it is left up to sports fans, the media, and lobbying groups for individual schools.

Playoff anyone?

Is it possible to add more seats to a stadium and charge less money per ticket? Would that generate the same money while bringing more fans to the stadiums?

I don't think the BE is in a rut at all. Pitt, Rutgers, Cinci, and WVU have all recruited and performed well and UConn and USF have shown an ability to jump up and bite the big boys. Syracuse and Louisville should both be improved this season as well. We have early contests with Michigan, Utah, Miami, and Oklahoma. If we win 3 of those 4 we are looking at an outstanding year for the conference. If we split, we are looking good. Pitt should at worst split Utah and Miami, UConn is gonna beat Michigan at the Big House and I think that Cinci can at least give Oklahoma a good game at PBS. Louisville also has their annual tiff with Kentucky which could be another feather in our cap. The schools are all investing in coaching and facilities to continue our assent. Things are going to be fine.

WVU has a good shot at going unbeaten OOC, if the QB play is up to snuff. LSU isn't the LSU of old. They're trying to rebuld. Coastal Carolina, Marshall, UNLV, and Maryland don't present much of a challenge either, since all school are also in rebuilding mode. LSU is going to be the toughest game, since their defense is always strong. But if WVU's QBs perform as advertised, the Mountaineers should be okay OOC...

A win over B10, SEC, ACC, & B12 teams would go a long way towards making this season a success.

Throw in the Pac Tin too, for good measure. UofL could pull off the upset at Oregon State...