(06-23-2010 12:21 PM)apex_pirate Wrote:  

(06-23-2010 12:00 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(06-23-2010 11:51 AM)apex_pirate Wrote:  When you say you'll have a season ticket base of 50,000 are you including students?

Student tickets are not free at UofL. They are not as expensive as regular tickets, and don't carry a donation, but they are not free. They cost about $100 per season, and most are sold with season basketball tickets. If I had to guess, I'd say season ticket wise there were 3,000 - 5,000 student season ticket holders. This is purely based on eyeballs thought, just looking at the student sections. Now as I mentioned, this does not count the visitor returns that are sold to students on a per game basis. I do not beleive any student seating was added as part of the expansion, though someone could correct me on this.

Thanks for the clarification adcorbett. The majority of our 12,000 seat student section have Student Pirate Club memberships. Not sure what they pay for that but I think it gives them some priority to season tickets. Those tickets are not counted in the season ticket totals that I know of.

It was $30 but this year it was bumped to either $40 or $45 i forget. Regardless i'm in it again :D

(06-24-2010 07:57 AM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  [It was $30 but this year it was bumped to either $40 or $45 i forget. Regardless i'm in it again :D

Read up - link to costs & benefits posted there.

(06-24-2010 06:37 AM)CatsClaw Wrote:  

(06-23-2010 08:19 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(06-23-2010 12:56 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(06-23-2010 12:27 PM)Den Wrote:  Do y'all have an expansion underway or in the planning stages? I know you're seriously cramped for space & are doing quite well now with what you have...

But in all seriousness, I can't see how they coudl expand it. There is so much around the stadium, it would seem hard to do. It might be financially a better option to play at Paul Brown. At least from an outsiders' perspective.

We will never play at Paul Brown on a regular basis. Pitt made the mistake of getting rid of their on-campus stadium and play in the Steelers stadium, and we've seen the cluster---- that results in. Busing students to every game, sharing the profit with the NFL team, and let's be honest, most NFL stadiums are pretty crappy for in-game experience.

You're right about the lack of space. But Nippert is a gem. It's the second oldest stadium in college football. We won't abandon it, but it's a complicated process to figure out how to expand it while maintaining the atmosphere and architecture that makes it unique.

You know, I hear people say this and its all well and good but if we want to make money and hang with the big boys we're going to have forget the age of the stadium and go all out to expand it.

Maybe we could copy Fenway and instead of those seats over the green monster we could have seats added on top of Dieterle -- that would be pretty sweet, although really high.

I love football games at Nippert so I'd hate to see that go away and I'm fine with the occasional big game against an OSU/OU, etc at PBS. We just need to get that expansion going, and build a new Shoemaker on the lot of the Kro-ghetto....all in due time I guess.

(06-23-2010 09:43 PM)UofL07 Wrote:  

(06-23-2010 12:00 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  Student tickets are not free at UofL. They are not as expensive as regular tickets, and don't carry a donation, but they are not free. They cost about $100 per season, and most are sold with season basketball tickets.

The football-only ticket package for students is $80 (one seat). The football/basketball ticket package is $210 (one seat).

Thanks. I originally put $75-$100, but then I thought I remembered the tickets being $15.00 per person, so I just changed it to about $100.00. the student basketball tickets are a freakin' steal, especially the ones under the basket.

(06-24-2010 06:37 AM)CatsClaw Wrote:  

(06-23-2010 08:19 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(06-23-2010 12:56 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(06-23-2010 12:27 PM)Den Wrote:  Do y'all have an expansion underway or in the planning stages? I know you're seriously cramped for space & are doing quite well now with what you have...

But in all seriousness, I can't see how they coudl expand it. There is so much around the stadium, it would seem hard to do. It might be financially a better option to play at Paul Brown. At least from an outsiders' perspective.

We will never play at Paul Brown on a regular basis. Pitt made the mistake of getting rid of their on-campus stadium and play in the Steelers stadium, and we've seen the cluster---- that results in. Busing students to every game, sharing the profit with the NFL team, and let's be honest, most NFL stadiums are pretty crappy for in-game experience.

You're right about the lack of space. But Nippert is a gem. It's the second oldest stadium in college football. We won't abandon it, but it's a complicated process to figure out how to expand it while maintaining the atmosphere and architecture that makes it unique.

You know, I hear people say this and its all well and good but if we want to make money and hang with the big boys we're going to have forget the age of the stadium and go all out to expand it.

You're absolutely right, CC. To hell with history, and all that other crap. Big time BCS programs do not play in a cracker box, no matter how much history the stadium has...

That's why WVU built Milan Puskar Stadium up on the Evansdale campus plateau. The old stadium, down in the valley behind the old University commons, had a great atmosphere and sounds echoed off the hills, greatly amplifying the crowd noise. But Milan Puskar Stadium was a big boon to Morgantown, nearly doubling the crowd when it first opened...

When Old Mountaineer Field was full, 36,000 voices echoing from the surrounding hills sounded much louder than 70,000 did at Milan Puskar (when 70,000 possible; i.e. before luxury boxes). But after an adjustment in mind set, the atmosphere at Milan Puskar has come into it's own, and has become one of the great destinations in college football.

UC needs to do similar, and soon. Bearcat attendance numbers are embarrassing. Dead last among BCS schools...

I still miss the old Mountaineer Field. But the loss was worth it in the long run...

Actually, what I really missed most was the loss of the atmosphere at the old stadium. That and the echo out of the hollow...

Another thing was you use to be able to start at the top of Sunnyside, work your way down the hill from bar to bar. The stadium announcer could be heard in most of the bars. So you could walk out of the last bar just in time to walk across the street and find a spot in the student section, located conveniently close to the Sunnyside entrance, as the teams lined up for the kickoff...

(06-23-2010 08:19 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(06-23-2010 12:56 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(06-23-2010 12:27 PM)Den Wrote:  Do y'all have an expansion underway or in the planning stages? I know you're seriously cramped for space & are doing quite well now with what you have...

But in all seriousness, I can't see how they coudl expand it. There is so much around the stadium, it would seem hard to do. It might be financially a better option to play at Paul Brown. At least from an outsiders' perspective.

We will never play at Paul Brown on a regular basis. Pitt made the mistake of getting rid of their on-campus stadium and play in the Steelers stadium, and we've seen the cluster---- that results in. Busing students to every game, sharing the profit with the NFL team, and let's be honest, most NFL stadiums are pretty crappy for in-game experience.

You're right about the lack of space. But Nippert is a gem. It's the second oldest stadium in college football. We won't abandon it, but it's a complicated process to figure out how to expand it while maintaining the atmosphere and architecture that makes it unique.

That wasn't a mistake. I loved Pitt Stadium, but it was a dump. It was difficult to get to, and there is no parking in Oakland. Pitt would have needed to put $50 million into it to keep it going.

Instead, they built state of the art practice facillities that the Steelers pay rent to Pitt to use. Pitt is the co-anchor tenant at Heinz Field. We don't split revenues with th Steelers. We have the choice of dates after the Steelers. For every Steeler logo at Heinz, there is a Pitt logo. We got in on the ground floor as a partner. We don't have to ask to use the stadium or pay money to the Steelers because we are equal partners with them.

UPMC provides the medical care for the Steelers. Pitt has a partnership unlike anything else in the country. The only issue is the students have to travel to get to the Stadium. Heinz Field is closer to the center of Pitt's campus than Beaver Staiums is to the center of PSU's. The difference is we have buildings onstead of cow fields in between.

That said, PBS is already built, so I doubt you could get the same deal we have.

(06-24-2010 08:37 AM)ucat03 Wrote:  

(06-24-2010 06:37 AM)CatsClaw Wrote:  

(06-23-2010 08:19 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(06-23-2010 12:56 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(06-23-2010 12:27 PM)Den Wrote:  Do y'all have an expansion underway or in the planning stages? I know you're seriously cramped for space & are doing quite well now with what you have...

But in all seriousness, I can't see how they coudl expand it. There is so much around the stadium, it would seem hard to do. It might be financially a better option to play at Paul Brown. At least from an outsiders' perspective.

We will never play at Paul Brown on a regular basis. Pitt made the mistake of getting rid of their on-campus stadium and play in the Steelers stadium, and we've seen the cluster---- that results in. Busing students to every game, sharing the profit with the NFL team, and let's be honest, most NFL stadiums are pretty crappy for in-game experience.

You're right about the lack of space. But Nippert is a gem. It's the second oldest stadium in college football. We won't abandon it, but it's a complicated process to figure out how to expand it while maintaining the atmosphere and architecture that makes it unique.

You know, I hear people say this and its all well and good but if we want to make money and hang with the big boys we're going to have forget the age of the stadium and go all out to expand it.

Maybe we could copy Fenway and instead of those seats over the green monster we could have seats added on top of Dieterle -- that would be pretty sweet, although really high.

I love football games at Nippert so I'd hate to see that go away and I'm fine with the occasional big game against an OSU/OU, etc at PBS. We just need to get that expansion going, and build a new Shoemaker on the lot of the Kro-ghetto....all in due time I guess.

+1 Went to more then a few ECU vs UC games at Nippert and always thought it was a great on campus stadium. When I stay at the Kingsgate Marriott, I run over to look at all the new stuff on the UC campus. Still trying to plan a trip to Cincinnati to visit family during football season so I can go see a game in the upgraded Nippert. I would say that an occasional big OOC game at PBS is a nice option and will allow you to pretty much schedule anybody you want. The set up ECU has with Charlotte is a great one that allows us to schedule OOC with VT and South Carolina. The ECU vs WVU game in Charlotte was also a good one for both our fans and the large WVU alumni base in driving distance to BofA stadium

(06-24-2010 09:59 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  UC needs to do similar, and soon. Bearcat attendance numbers are embarrassing. Dead last among BCS schools...

While their attendence is low, it is not last among BCS schools. It was not even last in the conference (yo, over here). Plus their attendence was at 97% capacity, so there is not a lot to complain about. Among teams I can see Cinci had a higher average attendence than Louisville, Wake, Duke, Boise St (if you count them), and Northwestern. Granted Boise and Wake have the same excuse, as they were over capacity.

(06-24-2010 10:21 AM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  That said, PBS is already built, so I doubt you could get the same deal we have.

Assuming for a moment they wanted to use Paul Brown, wasn't that a publically financed stadium? It would seem to be a hard sell for the Bengals to dictate unfavorable terms to a public school to use a stadium built by the public.

(06-24-2010 10:21 AM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  

(06-23-2010 08:19 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(06-23-2010 12:56 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(06-23-2010 12:27 PM)Den Wrote:  Do y'all have an expansion underway or in the planning stages? I know you're seriously cramped for space & are doing quite well now with what you have...

But in all seriousness, I can't see how they coudl expand it. There is so much around the stadium, it would seem hard to do. It might be financially a better option to play at Paul Brown. At least from an outsiders' perspective.

We will never play at Paul Brown on a regular basis. Pitt made the mistake of getting rid of their on-campus stadium and play in the Steelers stadium, and we've seen the cluster---- that results in. Busing students to every game, sharing the profit with the NFL team, and let's be honest, most NFL stadiums are pretty crappy for in-game experience.

You're right about the lack of space. But Nippert is a gem. It's the second oldest stadium in college football. We won't abandon it, but it's a complicated process to figure out how to expand it while maintaining the atmosphere and architecture that makes it unique.

That wasn't a mistake. I loved Pitt Stadium, but it was a dump. It was difficult to get to, and there is no parking in Oakland. Pitt would have needed to put $50 million into it to keep it going.

Instead, they built state of the art practice facillities that the Steelers pay rent to Pitt to use. Pitt is the co-anchor tenant at Heinz Field. We don't split revenues with th Steelers. We have the choice of dates after the Steelers. For every Steeler logo at Heinz, there is a Pitt logo. We got in on the ground floor as a partner. We don't have to ask to use the stadium or pay money to the Steelers because we are equal partners with them.

UPMC provides the medical care for the Steelers. Pitt has a partnership unlike anything else in the country. The only issue is the students have to travel to get to the Stadium. Heinz Field is closer to the center of Pitt's campus than Beaver Staiums is to the center of PSU's. The difference is we have buildings onstead of cow fields in between.

That said, PBS is already built, so I doubt you could get the same deal we have.

And to add to what Shannon Panther said, without Pitt, Heinz Field never gets built. The funding to build the stadium had to be voted on by Allegheny county and the surrounding 6 counties, which would have been a 0.5% - 1.0% sales tax increase. It overwhelmingly went down in flames. the University of Pittsburgh came to the rescue to partner with the Steelers in order to build a dual use stadium. Heinz Field is probably better utilized than almost every other NFL stadium out there. It is also the reason why Pitt will likely NEVER pay for an on-campus stadium in the future. There is no room in Oakland to make it possible, even if the admin wanted to do it.

(06-24-2010 11:34 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(06-24-2010 10:21 AM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  That said, PBS is already built, so I doubt you could get the same deal we have.

Assuming for a moment they wanted to use Paul Brown, wasn't that a publically financed stadium? It would seem to be a hard sell for the Bengals to dictate unfavorable terms to a public school to use a stadium built by the public.

Why not? Ohio State is a public university playing in a 108,000 seat stadium built primarily with public funds. The fact that those public funds were obtained long ago, when the dollar actually had some value, shouldn't matter...

(06-24-2010 11:34 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(06-24-2010 09:59 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  UC needs to do similar, and soon. Bearcat attendance numbers are embarrassing. Dead last among BCS schools...

While their attendence is low, it is not last among BCS schools. It was not even last in the conference (yo, over here). Plus their attendence was at 97% capacity, so there is not a lot to complain about. Among teams I can see Cinci had a higher average attendence than Louisville, Wake, Duke, Boise St (if you count them), and Northwestern. Granted Boise and Wake have the same excuse, as they were over capacity.

(06-24-2010 10:21 AM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  That said, PBS is already built, so I doubt you could get the same deal we have.

Assuming for a moment they wanted to use Paul Brown, wasn't that a publically financed stadium? It would seem to be a hard sell for the Bengals to dictate unfavorable terms to a public school to use a stadium built by the public.

The Bengals deal with the county is so one sided that the Brown family can call the shots over who gets to use the stadium, for how much, and often, who gets the $$.

One of many reasons that Paul Brown Stadium is a terrible idea.

(06-24-2010 11:41 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(06-24-2010 10:21 AM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  

(06-23-2010 08:19 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(06-23-2010 12:56 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(06-23-2010 12:27 PM)Den Wrote:  Do y'all have an expansion underway or in the planning stages? I know you're seriously cramped for space & are doing quite well now with what you have...

But in all seriousness, I can't see how they coudl expand it. There is so much around the stadium, it would seem hard to do. It might be financially a better option to play at Paul Brown. At least from an outsiders' perspective.

We will never play at Paul Brown on a regular basis. Pitt made the mistake of getting rid of their on-campus stadium and play in the Steelers stadium, and we've seen the cluster---- that results in. Busing students to every game, sharing the profit with the NFL team, and let's be honest, most NFL stadiums are pretty crappy for in-game experience.

You're right about the lack of space. But Nippert is a gem. It's the second oldest stadium in college football. We won't abandon it, but it's a complicated process to figure out how to expand it while maintaining the atmosphere and architecture that makes it unique.

That wasn't a mistake. I loved Pitt Stadium, but it was a dump. It was difficult to get to, and there is no parking in Oakland. Pitt would have needed to put $50 million into it to keep it going.

Instead, they built state of the art practice facillities that the Steelers pay rent to Pitt to use. Pitt is the co-anchor tenant at Heinz Field. We don't split revenues with th Steelers. We have the choice of dates after the Steelers. For every Steeler logo at Heinz, there is a Pitt logo. We got in on the ground floor as a partner. We don't have to ask to use the stadium or pay money to the Steelers because we are equal partners with them.

UPMC provides the medical care for the Steelers. Pitt has a partnership unlike anything else in the country. The only issue is the students have to travel to get to the Stadium. Heinz Field is closer to the center of Pitt's campus than Beaver Staiums is to the center of PSU's. The difference is we have buildings onstead of cow fields in between.

That said, PBS is already built, so I doubt you could get the same deal we have.

And to add to what Shannon Panther said, without Pitt, Heinz Field never gets built. The funding to build the stadium had to be voted on by Allegheny county and the surrounding 6 counties, which would have been a 0.5% - 1.0% sales tax increase. It overwhelmingly went down in flames. the University of Pittsburgh came to the rescue to partner with the Steelers in order to build a dual use stadium. Heinz Field is probably better utilized than almost every other NFL stadium out there. It is also the reason why Pitt will likely NEVER pay for an on-campus stadium in the future. There is no room in Oakland to make it possible, even if the admin wanted to do it.

Yup the only two truly well utilized stadiums in the NFL are Heinz Field (Pitt and the Steelers) and Giants Stadium/New Meadowlands Stadium (Jets, Giants and until this year Metrostars/Red Bulls.) The Death Star at Jerry World is probably right up there with the sheer amount of events that Jerry's bringing in down there.

(06-24-2010 12:12 PM)brista21 Wrote:  

(06-24-2010 11:41 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(06-24-2010 10:21 AM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  

(06-23-2010 08:19 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(06-23-2010 12:56 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(06-23-2010 12:27 PM)Den Wrote:  Do y'all have an expansion underway or in the planning stages? I know you're seriously cramped for space & are doing quite well now with what you have...

But in all seriousness, I can't see how they coudl expand it. There is so much around the stadium, it would seem hard to do. It might be financially a better option to play at Paul Brown. At least from an outsiders' perspective.

We will never play at Paul Brown on a regular basis. Pitt made the mistake of getting rid of their on-campus stadium and play in the Steelers stadium, and we've seen the cluster---- that results in. Busing students to every game, sharing the profit with the NFL team, and let's be honest, most NFL stadiums are pretty crappy for in-game experience.

You're right about the lack of space. But Nippert is a gem. It's the second oldest stadium in college football. We won't abandon it, but it's a complicated process to figure out how to expand it while maintaining the atmosphere and architecture that makes it unique.

That wasn't a mistake. I loved Pitt Stadium, but it was a dump. It was difficult to get to, and there is no parking in Oakland. Pitt would have needed to put $50 million into it to keep it going.

Instead, they built state of the art practice facillities that the Steelers pay rent to Pitt to use. Pitt is the co-anchor tenant at Heinz Field. We don't split revenues with th Steelers. We have the choice of dates after the Steelers. For every Steeler logo at Heinz, there is a Pitt logo. We got in on the ground floor as a partner. We don't have to ask to use the stadium or pay money to the Steelers because we are equal partners with them.

UPMC provides the medical care for the Steelers. Pitt has a partnership unlike anything else in the country. The only issue is the students have to travel to get to the Stadium. Heinz Field is closer to the center of Pitt's campus than Beaver Staiums is to the center of PSU's. The difference is we have buildings onstead of cow fields in between.

That said, PBS is already built, so I doubt you could get the same deal we have.

And to add to what Shannon Panther said, without Pitt, Heinz Field never gets built. The funding to build the stadium had to be voted on by Allegheny county and the surrounding 6 counties, which would have been a 0.5% - 1.0% sales tax increase. It overwhelmingly went down in flames. the University of Pittsburgh came to the rescue to partner with the Steelers in order to build a dual use stadium. Heinz Field is probably better utilized than almost every other NFL stadium out there. It is also the reason why Pitt will likely NEVER pay for an on-campus stadium in the future. There is no room in Oakland to make it possible, even if the admin wanted to do it.

Yup the only two truly well utilized stadiums in the NFL are Heinz Field (Pitt and the Steelers) and Giants Stadium/New Meadowlands Stadium (Jets, Giants and until this year Metrostars/Red Bulls.) The Death Star at Jerry World is probably right up there with the sheer amount of events that Jerry's bringing in down there.

I cant see how UC's attendance is embarrassing.

For years, Miami never filled the Orange Bowl with great teams. Did anyone care? No as long as the games were won and they played in big bowl games at the end of the year.

(06-24-2010 12:12 PM)brista21 Wrote:  Yup the only two truly well utilized stadiums in the NFL are Heinz Field (Pitt and the Steelers) and Giants Stadium/New Meadowlands Stadium (Jets, Giants and until this year Metrostars/Red Bulls.) The Death Star at Jerry World is probably right up there with the sheer amount of events that Jerry's bringing in down there.

What about the Linc? =(

Herd at 13,000+ right now ... so says Woody Woodrum, commentating voice of Marshall Sports

http://www.ncaabbs.com/showthread.php?tid=441205

(06-24-2010 12:12 PM)brista21 Wrote:  Yup the only two truly well utilized stadiums in the NFL are Heinz Field (Pitt and the Steelers) and Giants Stadium/New Meadowlands Stadium (Jets, Giants and until this year Metrostars/Red Bulls.) The Death Star at Jerry World is probably right up there with the sheer amount of events that Jerry's bringing in down there.

It depends on how you look at it. If you are looking at just sports, you might be right, although the Metrodome (had Twins up until this year), Landshark Stadium (Marlins), Reliant Stadium (Livestock and Rodeo Show), and Network associates Coliseum (Athletics) have multiple sports uses. But most domes are used year round, and bring in enormous amounts of money to the cities that have them through trade shows and conventions. Further, many stadiums are used year round in ways the general public is not aware. When I worked for the Maryland Stadium Authority, we made more money from renting the amenities in the football stadium then we ever thought about making from the Ravens.

NFL, NBA, and MLB teams get such sweetheart deals in most cases, the venues make little to no money off of them. The money is made on the other events they host. When you have a downtown stadium, the club level areas, ball rooms, and meeting rooms are rented out to companies for retreats, annual meeting etc. Those rooms are marketed with the tourism bureau, as when companies come into town for other conventions, they rent these areas out for their own use. In addition, many local sponsors use these rooms all year round, for any number of events. That is one of the lost advantages sponsors get, that peopel never think of. It really helps bsuinesses close deals, when they can bring clients to the stadium for big meetings. It really is a different dynamic than a typical board room presentation.

And parking, oh man, if the stadium is in or near downtown, llike in Baltimore, many people use the lots for their daily parking. Especially football (baseball lots can be problemtatic in some cities due to the number of day games). You can charge anywhere from $50-$100 a month per spot, and $15-$20 per business day, depending on the city. And with 15,000-20000 spots in the lot, you can do the math. Those stadiums are used more than you think.

(06-24-2010 01:12 PM)ThunderDent Wrote:  Herd at 13,000+ right now ... so says Woody Woodrum, commentating voice of Marshall Sports

http://www.ncaabbs.com/showthread.php?tid=441205

Is 13,000 good, bad or indifferent from previous years for Marshall? Just curious, hitting what # would constitute a season ticket sell-out in The Joan?

13,000 is good, and I'd say some of 'em are Mountaineer fans angling for good seats when WVU goes to Huntington...

(06-24-2010 11:48 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(06-24-2010 11:34 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(06-24-2010 10:21 AM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  That said, PBS is already built, so I doubt you could get the same deal we have.

Assuming for a moment they wanted to use Paul Brown, wasn't that a publically financed stadium? It would seem to be a hard sell for the Bengals to dictate unfavorable terms to a public school to use a stadium built by the public.

Why not? Ohio State is a public university playing in a 108,000 seat stadium built primarily with public funds. The fact that those public funds were obtained long ago, when the dollar actually had some value, shouldn't matter...

But does Ohio State not allow other public sources to use the stadium, like high schools or what not? That was what I was getting at. Also, by saying this, I knew that the Browns had a sweetheart deal, which was why I mentioned it. So if they, or say Ohio State, paid a market value rent to use the stadium, then it would be a different story. But if city uses public money to build a stadium for a sports team, they should never prevent a public entity from using the building, so long as it does not interfere with their operations, schedules, etc. That is just asking for trouble.