I wish I had the answer.

I say split... The schools will vote to keep status quo or even go to 9.

Depends on who is left.

Should have split after the first raid; vision. Now this league is about to be obliterated one way or another IMHO.

I always thought the conferencce should have split with the football and basketball schools keeping some allegiance basketball wise (for television deals) but operating as separate conferences.

easy answer. split. 2 groups of 8 schools have the same priorities, and that 50-50 balance will kill any direction the conference attempts to go in. the best thing for the conference is to split, but the 8 non d1a football playing conference members will go for that.

After, reading the press clips, I have deceided that there is no way the Big East can be saved from the providence leadership, which has first loyality to Notrew Dame and the Catholic schools welfare. So RIP, Big East football.

(05-15-2010 11:04 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:   After, reading the press clips, I have deceided that there is no way the Big East can be saved from the providence leadership, which has first loyality to Notrew Dame and the Catholic schools welfare. So RIP, Big East football.

So is "saving" the Big East to some of you means kicking schools like Georgetown and Villanova to the curb? Great, the Hoyas should really pack them in at Verizon Center as a member of the Horizon League.

And yet, with two I-AA teams sitting in its own league, the Big East's football schools make zero...no, less than zero effort to envision these teams as part of a future 12 or 14 team football arrangement.

Both have made no attempt or shown any interest of moving up. So what your point?

(05-15-2010 01:09 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  

(05-15-2010 11:04 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:   After, reading the press clips, I have deceided that there is no way the Big East can be saved from the providence leadership, which has first loyality to Notrew Dame and the Catholic schools welfare. So RIP, Big East football.

So is "saving" the Big East to some of you means kicking schools like Georgetown and Villanova to the curb? Great, the Hoyas should really pack them in at Verizon Center as a member of the Horizon League.

And yet, with two I-AA teams sitting in its own league, the Big East's football schools make zero...no, less than zero effort to envision these teams as part of a future 12 or 14 team football arrangement.

Not true, dude. Many times people talked about Villanova or Georgetown upgrading their football programs. Every time the talk got shot down usually by Georgetown grads, certain that neither school wants anything to do with FBS football. We've since given up. It's a useless exercise in futility at this point in time...

Since when do "Georgetown grads" have any say in the matter? Mike Tranghese made it a point of saying the BE wanted nothing to do with these schools. and the league has made it clear to GU not to even consider it.

Heck, Villanova won the I-AA national title and they can't get a call from a Big East school for a game in 2010?

(05-15-2010 01:09 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  

(05-15-2010 11:04 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:   After, reading the press clips, I have deceided that there is no way the Big East can be saved from the providence leadership, which has first loyality to Notrew Dame and the Catholic schools welfare. So RIP, Big East football.

So is "saving" the Big East to some of you means kicking schools like Georgetown and Villanova to the curb? Great, the Hoyas should really pack them in at Verizon Center as a member of the Horizon League.

And yet, with two I-AA teams sitting in its own league, the Big East's football schools make zero...no, less than zero effort to envision these teams as part of a future 12 or 14 team football arrangement.

you know for a fact that if GT and Nova were to move up to 1a theyd be added to the big east with no problems... its all on you guys

(05-15-2010 02:44 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  Since when do "Georgetown grads" have any say in the matter? Mike Tranghese made it a point of saying the BE wanted nothing to do with these schools. and the league has made it clear to GU not to even consider it.

Heck, Villanova won the I-AA national title and they can't get a call from a Big East school for a game in 2010?

I was talking about discussions here on the board. The ones who dismissed the idea of upgrading FCS programs to FBS level play are alums of the FCS schools. I like how selective you are in your assessment of the conversation's focus. It definitely helps you shift attention away from things you'd rather not go into...

I've always considered Mike Tranghese to be anti-football for the east, because he thought it would diminish the basketball prestige of the Big East, and preferred promoting basketball interests above all else - hence the status quo in the voting...

By the way, Villanova opened the 2008 season with a 48-21 loss to WVU. How is that not being able to get a call?

Or are you expecting 'nova to be on someone's schedule every year, when the Wildcats aren't willing to commit to us?

(05-15-2010 02:44 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  Since when do "Georgetown grads" have any say in the matter? Mike Tranghese made it a point of saying the BE wanted nothing to do with these schools. and the league has made it clear to GU not to even consider it.

Heck, Villanova won the I-AA national title and they can't get a call from a Big East school for a game in 2010?

Nova is playing Temple in 2010, 2011, and 2012 to finish a 4 game renewed city rivilry. That is the D-1A game on their scheule for that time period. The is no room for a BE team. They have already have contracted with Temple and the MAC.

(05-15-2010 02:44 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  Heck, Villanova won the I-AA national title and they can't get a call from a Big East school for a game in 2010?

Have you read articles from the Villanova camp complaining on either of these aspects? I haven't read much showing Villanova is ready and willing to move up, even if the league was potentially interested.

(05-16-2010 11:38 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(05-15-2010 02:44 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  Heck, Villanova won the I-AA national title and they can't get a call from a Big East school for a game in 2010?

Have you read articles from the Villanova camp complaining on either of these aspects? I haven't read much showing Villanova is ready and willing to move up, even if the league was potentially interested.

That's because they're unable to move up.

(05-16-2010 11:56 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(05-16-2010 11:38 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(05-15-2010 02:44 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  Heck, Villanova won the I-AA national title and they can't get a call from a Big East school for a game in 2010?

Have you read articles from the Villanova camp complaining on either of these aspects? I haven't read much showing Villanova is ready and willing to move up, even if the league was potentially interested.

That's because they're unable to move up.

That's what I thought. I misread part of Hoya's statement, but I'm still not sure what playing them while in I-AA has to do with anything though.

Split, split split.

I'm a U of M grad, but always been a fan of Louisville, so I do not say that just so Memphis has a chance to get in.

If Tran and the other guys had initially had an ALL sports league, not this league that has been created, the expansion talk right now would be a bit different I believe. Split now, grab teams like ECU, UCF, maybe memphis. .. unfortunantly the way its looking the BE has no chance of getting teams that are in other BCS conferences.. unless someone like the big 12 gets poached.

Spliting seems the only way of survival. I feel bad for the bball only schools, but desperate times call for despearte measures. And you're only kidding yourself if you are saying this is not a desperate time with all the smoke screens put up with this re-alignment.

Catholic schools don't have the option of stealing money from the taxpayers to build/upgrade stadiums. Trying to move to 1-A football would bankrupt their athletic departments for nothing, by the time the upgrade was complete there wouldn't be a Big East left to join. The top BE schools will be gobbled up by new "super conferences" and the rest will have returned to Conference USA.

A split is in the best interest of the Catholic schools. We would be able to keep the trademark "Big East", focus on the conference original mission of being a basketball powerhouse, and add new members like Xavier and Saint Louis.

(05-17-2010 10:59 AM)Know Nothing Wrote:  A split is in the best interest of the Catholic schools. We would be able to keep the trademark "Big East", focus on the conference original mission of being a basketball powerhouse, and add new members like Xavier and Saint Louis.

Disagere 100%. Villanova and Georgetown should maintain no interest in a Catholic ghetto with nonexistent minor sports and no football.

Oh wait, a minute, there already is a conference like that. It's called the MAAC!