I don't think it will happen, but if USF, Cincy, Louisville, & West Virginia were to be the odd schools out after relignment, what would happen to your programs? Since USF, Cincy, & Louisville are not far removed from being non-bcs programs, I think they could adapt easier than West Virginia. Thoughts?

As Louisville we survived and thrived before and we will do so again. We know what it is like to be on the outside looking in. It doesn't matter what league we are in we will fill our expanded stadium and be excited about our new coach and the new direction of our football program. A record number of season ticket sales this year is testament to that. Next season we move into a new arena and once and for all solidify our position as the most money making college basketball program in the country. The future is bright here. We are proud members of The Big East and will continue to be until we are asked to leave or the conference is no more, whichever comes first. After that we will be a proud member of whatever conference we: a) Are invited to join , b) Help Found , or C) Return to.
CJ

This will not happen, so not worried one bit

Not trying to cause anyone to worry, just curious as to fan speculation. I suspect a lot of money is being spent or has been spent due to being in a BCS conference. It seems to me that there would be loss of fan support, money, recruiting advantage, etc. Former BCS schools could be left in a world of financial trouble.

(05-07-2010 09:00 AM)Brick City Pirate Wrote:  Not trying to cause anyone to worry, just curious as to fan speculation. I suspect a lot of money is being spent or has been spent due to being in a BCS conference. It seems to me that there would be loss of fan support, money, recruiting advantage, etc. Former BCS schools could be left in a world of financial trouble.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. No current BCS member will involuntarily be excluded from any expansion/merger. It just won't happen. The lawsuits that would follow would be enormous.

The BCS will become more, not less, inclusive. That means all current BCS members will be included, and some non-BCS schools will be included, along with the current arrangement that any non-BCS school can still play in a BCS bowl if they meet the qualifications.

I tend to agree with this sentiment. While its not assured, I think that there could be grounds for a lawsuit for material damage to a program if it were excluded... Especially UL/UC and WVU who have all competed and won championships within the Big East...rather than a Temple who got booted for lack of performance and investment.

I'd prefer to see us stay in the Big East because it has been good to us, but finding a home in an elite level conference where split/implosion questions stop would be nice.

On the Cincinnati side I can see the conspiracy theories now...OSU pushes for expansion because they aren't the top college football headline anymore.

(05-07-2010 09:03 AM)christopherg Wrote:  I've said it before and I'll say it again. No current BCS member will involuntarily be excluded from any expansion/merger. It just won't happen. The lawsuits that would follow would be enormous.

The BCS will become more, not less, inclusive. That means all current BCS members will be included, and some non-BCS schools will be included, along with the current arrangement that any non-BCS school can still play in a BCS bowl if they meet the qualifications.

I think the concern about being a BCS team and somehow losing that ticket is overblown. After the chairs are rearranged, the top guys will make more of the bucks, but what is different about that now? Nothing.

Almost all the current teams will find a suitable home somewhere, I'm pretty sure. Maybe all of them. We'll see.

(05-07-2010 09:00 AM)Brick City Pirate Wrote:  Not trying to cause anyone to worry, just curious as to fan speculation. I suspect a lot of money is being spent or has been spent due to being in a BCS conference. It seems to me that there would be loss of fan support, money, recruiting advantage, etc. Former BCS schools could be left in a world of financial trouble.

Our money was spent well before we ever joined The Big East. It's the spending that helped get us into a BCS conference I would venture to say debt at UofL has gone down since we joined The Big East. If anything the extra revenue gave us an opportunity to pay off some bills and stash some away for the future.
CJ

(05-07-2010 08:21 AM)Brick City Pirate Wrote:  I don't think it will happen, but if USF, Cincy, Louisville, & West Virginia were to be the odd schools out after relignment, what would happen to your programs? Since USF, Cincy, & Louisville are not far removed from being non-bcs programs, I think they could adapt easier than West Virginia. Thoughts?

It would be a disaster. WVU would be left in a league with no natural/historic rivals and most of our major recruiting rivals would be situated in stable conferences. Our football program would certainly have an uphill climb to remain competitve nationally

With that being said...its hard for me to see Uconn finding a home and not West Virginia

Jackson

CardinalJim,

EXCELLENT attitude. IMHO, Louisville will be just FINE for all the reasons you mentioned...

I truly feel for WVU. If the BE loses Cuse, Rutgers and Pitt, the Mountaineers would have lost alot of good football conference mates and rivals in a short period of time. Are you guys running off the compatition or what?

Quote:I've said it before and I'll say it again. No current BCS member will involuntarily be excluded from any expansion/merger. It just won't happen. The lawsuits that would follow would be enormous.

I can agree with that 100%.

Quote:The BCS will become more, not less, inclusive.

100% DISagreement on this.

(05-07-2010 09:03 AM)christopherg Wrote:  

(05-07-2010 09:00 AM)Brick City Pirate Wrote:  Not trying to cause anyone to worry, just curious as to fan speculation. I suspect a lot of money is being spent or has been spent due to being in a BCS conference. It seems to me that there would be loss of fan support, money, recruiting advantage, etc. Former BCS schools could be left in a world of financial trouble.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. No current BCS member will involuntarily be excluded from any expansion/merger. It just won't happen. The lawsuits that would follow would be enormous.

The BCS will become more, not less, inclusive. That means all current BCS members will be included, and some non-BCS schools will be included, along with the current arrangement that any non-BCS school can still play in a BCS bowl if they meet the qualifications.

I'm not buying that one bit. What is currently going on is the hav's feeding on the hav's. If the BCS was so concern about current BCS programs being left out to dry, you would think they would have step in to stop what the Big 10 is doing. It is not the BCS responsibility to keep teams in AQ status; that is the conference responsibility. And the ACC or any other conference isn't going to be made to invite teams from a conference that may collapse because of their misguided leadership.

The BE wouldn't be in the mess in the first place had they invited more teams and seperated from the catholic schools. UCF, Memphis and ECU should have been invited when UL, UC and USF were invited. And Temple should have never been kicked out of the BE.

Perhaps a decent 9 team, all-sports conference could come out of this? I'm not going to lobby for NEW teams & would ask the same of others. Is it possible to stay ON topic here? ...

I'm working HARD on rep points today ...

(05-07-2010 11:16 AM)Den Wrote:  

Quote:I've said it before and I'll say it again. No current BCS member will involuntarily be excluded from any expansion/merger. It just won't happen. The lawsuits that would follow would be enormous.

I can agree with that 100%.

Quote:The BCS will become more, not less, inclusive.

100% DISagreement on this.

The above statement may technically be true, no currrent BCS school will be excluded from the BCS. However, all bets are off if "they" disband the BCS, and form some new system. That's how the powers-that-be will get around the BCS rules, they'll just let the BCS expire, and they'll create a new configuration. For example, a team like Iowa State will probably remain a member of the Big XII as long as a Big XII exists. But when the BCS expires, the Big XII (minus Texas, Neb, Mizzou, Oklahoma, etc) may not be in the new power structure.

(05-07-2010 09:03 AM)christopherg Wrote:  I've said it before and I'll say it again. No current BCS member will involuntarily be excluded from any expansion/merger. It just won't happen.

That's probably what everyone at TCU, SMU, Rice, and Houston believed, about 20 years ago.

Then a team like Iowa State will call on its big brother - IOWA

(05-07-2010 09:03 AM)christopherg Wrote:  No current BCS member will involuntarily be excluded from any expansion/merger. It just won't happen. The lawsuits that would follow would be enormous.

Curious...who would they sue if the Big East ceased to exist, and what grounds would they have to sue, say, the Big 10/11 for not being picked up? Obviously, they couldn't sue the BCS as a collective...it's not within their authority or charter to determine who conferences select. I'm a law amateur, sure...but I'm not following your legal argument/foundation here at all. Everyone says "sue," and that's fine and dandy...but who and for what? Sure you can sue...but your chances of winning anything from anyone in that would be nil, at best.

I just don't think it's out of the realm of possibility to assume there may be schools left out of the BCS that are currently in when this all shakes out.

(05-07-2010 09:03 AM)christopherg Wrote:  The BCS will become more, not less, inclusive. That means all current BCS members will be included, and some non-BCS schools will be included, along with the current arrangement that any non-BCS school can still play in a BCS bowl if they meet the qualifications.

Yeah...I don't agree with that at all. When this round of dominoes is finished falling, the BCS schools are going to close ranks like Patton.

A question I've always had, but never really looked into, is Temple. If I'm remembering correctly, they were booted from the Big East in 2004? Did they sue the Big East for depriving them of BCS riches? If there ever was a justification for some sort of legal action, that would be one. Granted, it's an apples and oranges deal, I know...but anyone from Temple will tell you, it's not out of the realm of possibility to be in one day and out the next...and I just don't see a lot of recourse for any teams left out.

I still think B11 wants ND and will stop at 12. If they take 2 or more BE schools, it will cause major problems for the BE. I am not sure B11 will want all the backlash for destroying the BE unless they help find homes for the schools that are left behind.

I am sure all the remaining schools will find a home in a BCS conference one way or another. Programs like WVU and UL got plenty going for it so I doubt either will be left out in the cold.