(05-04-2010 01:09 PM)99Tiger Wrote:  

(05-04-2010 08:41 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(05-04-2010 06:48 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Maybe MTSU needs a new ADD building. The poster who originally misspelled "conserned" is a USF fan.

(05-04-2010 07:55 AM)99Tiger Wrote:  Wow...maybe MT needs some remedial reading comprehension classes! First, you miss the Temple fan poking fun at poor spelling. Then you fail to notice he's making fun of a USF poster.

I spell just fine, thank you.

Maybe you guys are right...but it's probably just my fried brain from finals week. This has been my outlet when I need a break from studying. On that note, I need to get to campus.

(but not until finals are done)

Eh, we've all been there.

I assure you there will be plenty of once finals are done as I'm graduating on Saturday and headed to Europe for a month next thursday.

(05-04-2010 12:33 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(05-04-2010 12:27 PM)WVUeer Wrote:  

(05-04-2010 12:15 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(05-04-2010 12:03 PM)WVUeer Wrote:  

(05-04-2010 11:43 AM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(05-04-2010 11:31 AM)WVUeer Wrote:  

(05-04-2010 11:26 AM)JHG722 Wrote:  Man, it's not even worth replying to the blatant Temple hater, especially since he thinks Nova is a better addition with less than half the fanbase, nowhere near the public interest that Temple football has, no money and political influence and no ability and land whatsoever to build a BCS-level stadium...

JHG722 Wrote:Nova has less than half the fanbase of Temple

Less than half?..... Surely Nova has more than 6-8,000 fans?

No, they don't, and we have well more than 16K fans, thank you very much.

Well, lets just put it this way JHG722, if you have "well over" 16K fans, its not showing. Lets just look at the last 5 years for example. You take away that year in 2007 when Penn State came to town and your average per game is a mere 15,374....that is only 374 fans over the NCAA minimum requirement of 15K to remain FBS.

Do you expect people to just show up if the team is not winning? For the most part, building a fanbase doesn't happen overnight, it takes time. 28K for Nova last year, and 21K for Kent State last year were good starts.

We're not going to suddenly average 40K per game, but attendance has been increasing every year, and will continue to do so.

No I dont expect people to just show up if the team is not winning. I agree with you on that. It could happen anywhere. The problem is, there is no past proof that even with winning seasons that Temple would have support. This upcoming year will be the year to see if you guys have support. Do you agree? You guys are coming off the first winning season in what...35+ years? That being the case it will be interesting to see if the fans show up.......and I hope they do. I have nothing against Temple, I'd like to see Temple succeed...but until there is some proof, I have to go with what has always happened in the past. I hope you guys prove me and the rest of the country wrong.

That would be 30 years. Btw, per your trumpeting of Nova, they pulled in 4,171 for their playoff game against William & Mary.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=293450222

Okay, 30 years. I knew it was something like that. An no, I'm not trumpeting Nova. I dont even have Nova in my Top 5. Just based on what the Big East did with UConn already being a basketball member and bringing them aboard, I'm simply saying that its not out of the realm of impossibility.

And that 4,171 fans for the playoff game...I agree. One would think they would have more support than that. But its like I said, for whatever reason the Philly area has not supported college athletics. You would think with all the Alums in those areas and the large population that the support would be better. The only thing I can come up with is that people in that area only care about the Eagles and the Phillies.

(05-04-2010 01:13 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(05-04-2010 01:09 PM)99Tiger Wrote:  

(05-04-2010 08:41 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(05-04-2010 06:48 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Maybe MTSU needs a new ADD building. The poster who originally misspelled "conserned" is a USF fan.

(05-04-2010 07:55 AM)99Tiger Wrote:  Wow...maybe MT needs some remedial reading comprehension classes! First, you miss the Temple fan poking fun at poor spelling. Then you fail to notice he's making fun of a USF poster.

I spell just fine, thank you.

Maybe you guys are right...but it's probably just my fried brain from finals week. This has been my outlet when I need a break from studying. On that note, I need to get to campus.

(but not until finals are done)

Eh, we've all been there.

I assure you there will be plenty of once finals are done as I'm graduating on Saturday and headed to Europe for a month next thursday.

Congratulations!

(05-04-2010 12:29 PM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  Football Focus Split (Keeps Big East name)

Syracuse
Louisville
West Virginia
Connecticut
Pittsburgh
Cincinnati
Rutgers
South Florida
ECU
UCF
Marshall
Temple

Basketball Focus Split

Marquette
Georgetown
Villanova
DePaul
Notre Dame (Indy or BE)
Providence
Seton Hall
St. John's
Memphis (Sun Belt, BE, or Indy as C-USA wants all schools to have all sports)
Xaiver
Dayton
UNI/Butler

I think that would be a very solid conference. No doubt in my mind that would retain the BCS tag. Thats really along the lines of what I had been saying before we learned that we would likely lose three. Just take a look at all the rivalries built into that lineup.

Its amazing how something can be so simple as this, yet be so hard for many people to see the potential. Sets the stage for a championship game and everything.

(05-04-2010 07:34 AM)WVUeer Wrote:  When I state "Geographically reasonable" I'm looking at our conference as a whole. If we ever plan to have a "North+South" division and a championship game one day you need to have a few more schools south of Morgantown to go with Cincy, Louisville and USF.

Why does everyone have a hard on for a championship game? Has the experience of the ACC, Big XII, Conference USA, and MAC not taught anyone anything? Championship games are not for everyone? First, as the Big XII has found out, you can knock out chapionship game contenders. And, as the ACC has found out, they are not always successful.

Ten teams is a much better option, unless you can find two more teams to justfiy goign to 12. If we lose no teams to the Big Ten, we will have a hard time finding two suitable teams to replace. Much less if we lose a team or two. There is no way we find enough to go to twelve, so why bother?

(05-04-2010 09:59 AM)FanJack Wrote:  we can either replace that one school and stand pat at 8 or expand our ranks to 12 football schools. To do that, we need to replace the one departed school, and find 4 more.

And if we do that, that means we then have the required 12 teams (by NCAA rule) to play a championship game, pitting two divisional champions against each other.

By the way, you are not "required" to host a championship game. Actually, quite the contrary. The NCAA actually fought the SEC on the championship game issue, saying that the rule was never intended for football. So unless some change has been made, you certainly are not required to have one.

(05-04-2010 01:01 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(05-04-2010 12:23 PM)PGPirate Wrote:  

(05-04-2010 12:06 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(05-04-2010 12:03 PM)WVUeer Wrote:  Well, lets just put it this way JHG722, if you have "well over" 16K fans, its not showing. Lets just look at the last 5 years for example. You take away that year in 2007 when Penn State came to town and your average per game is a mere 15,374....that is only 374 fans over the NCAA minimum requirement of 15K to remain FBS.

I thought that whole notion of the 15k minimum had long since been debunked, if not there are a good number of SBC and MAC teams in trouble.

The rule is still in the books. But the NCAA doesn't have the balls to enforce it. If a school can't average 15k in PAID attendance, then they don't deserve it. Once again, I think the minimum should be bumped to 25k. Get out all of these FBS wannabe teams, and send them back to FCS where they belong.

If the NCAA doesn't enforce 15k how on earth is the answer to bump the requirement to 25k? How about lowering it to 10k and actually enforcing it with a timeline to increase the requirement back to 15k and possibly beyond.

25k would cut the entire SBC, probably most of the MAC and WAC and probably a few C-USA and MWC schools as well.

There are plenty of teams in that mix that are far from wannabes and as a fan of one of those teams, I take serious exception to that.

I said I would bump it to 25k, if I was in charge. And where is the loss if we lose the SBC and MAC? I see none. It would return D-1a back to being the premier division of college athletics. Back to actually mean something. Get rid of all the scrub teams who LIVE on body bag games. D-1a doesn't need those crap teams.

(05-04-2010 01:59 PM)PGPirate Wrote:  And where is the loss if we lose the SBC and MAC? I see none. It would return D-1a back to being the premier division of college athletics. Back to actually mean something. Get rid of all the scrub teams who LIVE on body bag games. D-1a doesn't need those crap teams.

Not true. I fyou took away the SBC, MAC, and lower teams in the C-USA, WAC, and MWC, you would leave BCS conference teams to have to play only other "good teams." The problem is, power teams get 25% or more of their wins form these so called scrub teams. Championship games between 10-2 and 9-3 teams do not draw near as much interest with casual fans, the extra fans who tune in during championship gams that give all of that extra cash to the BCS conferences. Also, those guarantee games would be a thing of the past as well.

That would be very bad for college football. I just do not see why people cannot see that.

(05-04-2010 01:59 PM)PGPirate Wrote:  I said I would bump it to 25k, if I was in charge. And where is the loss if we lose the SBC and MAC? I see none. It would return D-1a back to being the premier division of college athletics. Back to actually mean something. Get rid of all the scrub teams who LIVE on body bag games. D-1a doesn't need those crap teams.

Live on body bag games?

Last year in OOC we lost to Clemson(1 game payday) lost to Mississippi State@home(part of a 2-1) beat Memphis@home(part of 4-3) and beat Maryland(part of a 2-1)...oh and beat Southern Miss in the New Orleans Bowl.

This year we host Minnesota(part of a 1-1), host Austin Peay(a one day payday for APSU) go to Memphis(part of a 4-3) go to Georgia Tech(part of a 2-1).

In the future on the books we have a 2-2 with Vandy and a 1-1 with Ball State.

Would have been a real shame for you had our "wannabe" head coach not turned down the offer from ECU, eh?

(05-04-2010 12:38 PM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  

(05-04-2010 12:29 PM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  Football Focus Split (Keeps Big East name)

Syracuse
Louisville
West Virginia
Connecticut
Pittsburgh
Cincinnati
Rutgers
South Florida
ECU
UCF
Marshall
Temple

Basketball Focus Split

Marquette
Georgetown
Villanova
DePaul
Notre Dame (Indy or BE)
Providence
Seton Hall
St. John's
Memphis (Sun Belt, BE, or Indy as C-USA wants all schools to have all sports)
Xaiver
Dayton
UNI/Butler

So you think the Big East loses no one? Split talk is pointless at this stage as no split will occur as long as schools think they have a shot at the Big Ten.

I was basing it off that no one left but also had it where 2 teams could be in the big east and the BB only conference as well just in case

(05-04-2010 01:41 PM)WVUeer Wrote:  

(05-04-2010 12:29 PM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  Football Focus Split (Keeps Big East name)

Syracuse
Louisville
West Virginia
Connecticut
Pittsburgh
Cincinnati
Rutgers
South Florida
ECU
UCF
Marshall
Temple

Basketball Focus Split

Marquette
Georgetown
Villanova
DePaul
Notre Dame (Indy or BE)
Providence
Seton Hall
St. John's
Memphis (Sun Belt, BE, or Indy as C-USA wants all schools to have all sports)
Xaiver
Dayton
UNI/Butler

I think that would be a very solid conference. No doubt in my mind that would retain the BCS tag. Thats really along the lines of what I had been saying before we learned that we would likely lose three. Just take a look at all the rivalries built into that lineup.

Its amazing how something can be so simple as this, yet be so hard for many people to see the potential. Sets the stage for a championship game and everything.

FB: UCF/USF ECU/USF(been hatred there for a while) ECU/UCF (some people thing this will fall through if this happens though) ECU/Marshall Marshall/WVU
BB: gains UX/Dayton

(05-04-2010 01:32 PM)WVUeer Wrote:  

(05-04-2010 12:33 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(05-04-2010 12:27 PM)WVUeer Wrote:  

(05-04-2010 12:15 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(05-04-2010 12:03 PM)WVUeer Wrote:  

(05-04-2010 11:43 AM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(05-04-2010 11:31 AM)WVUeer Wrote:  

(05-04-2010 11:26 AM)JHG722 Wrote:  Man, it's not even worth replying to the blatant Temple hater, especially since he thinks Nova is a better addition with less than half the fanbase, nowhere near the public interest that Temple football has, no money and political influence and no ability and land whatsoever to build a BCS-level stadium...

JHG722 Wrote:Nova has less than half the fanbase of Temple

Less than half?..... Surely Nova has more than 6-8,000 fans?

No, they don't, and we have well more than 16K fans, thank you very much.

Well, lets just put it this way JHG722, if you have "well over" 16K fans, its not showing. Lets just look at the last 5 years for example. You take away that year in 2007 when Penn State came to town and your average per game is a mere 15,374....that is only 374 fans over the NCAA minimum requirement of 15K to remain FBS.

Do you expect people to just show up if the team is not winning? For the most part, building a fanbase doesn't happen overnight, it takes time. 28K for Nova last year, and 21K for Kent State last year were good starts.

We're not going to suddenly average 40K per game, but attendance has been increasing every year, and will continue to do so.

No I dont expect people to just show up if the team is not winning. I agree with you on that. It could happen anywhere. The problem is, there is no past proof that even with winning seasons that Temple would have support. This upcoming year will be the year to see if you guys have support. Do you agree? You guys are coming off the first winning season in what...35+ years? That being the case it will be interesting to see if the fans show up.......and I hope they do. I have nothing against Temple, I'd like to see Temple succeed...but until there is some proof, I have to go with what has always happened in the past. I hope you guys prove me and the rest of the country wrong.

That would be 30 years. Btw, per your trumpeting of Nova, they pulled in 4,171 for their playoff game against William & Mary.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=293450222

Okay, 30 years. I knew it was something like that. An no, I'm not trumpeting Nova. I dont even have Nova in my Top 5. Just based on what the Big East did with UConn already being a basketball member and bringing them aboard, I'm simply saying that its not out of the realm of impossibility.

And that 4,171 fans for the playoff game...I agree. One would think they would have more support than that. But its like I said, for whatever reason the Philly area has not supported college athletics. You would think with all the Alums in those areas and the large population that the support would be better. The only thing I can come up with is that people in that area only care about the Eagles and the Phillies.

Well that's not true at all, especially since the Flyers were at over 100% attendance.

I don't have a clue about Philadelphia politics and geography but if Villanova was harboring serious thought of going FBS partnering with the Union (MLS) to build their stadium would have made a lot of sense in the abstract but I doubt it is easily expandable to the 40,000 or so that would be the target.

(05-04-2010 02:32 PM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  

(05-04-2010 01:41 PM)WVUeer Wrote:  

(05-04-2010 12:29 PM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  Football Focus Split (Keeps Big East name)

Syracuse
Louisville
West Virginia
Connecticut
Pittsburgh
Cincinnati
Rutgers
South Florida
ECU
UCF
Marshall
Temple

Basketball Focus Split

Marquette
Georgetown
Villanova
DePaul
Notre Dame (Indy or BE)
Providence
Seton Hall
St. John's
Memphis (Sun Belt, BE, or Indy as C-USA wants all schools to have all sports)
Xaiver
Dayton
UNI/Butler

I think that would be a very solid conference. No doubt in my mind that would retain the BCS tag. Thats really along the lines of what I had been saying before we learned that we would likely lose three. Just take a look at all the rivalries built into that lineup.

Its amazing how something can be so simple as this, yet be so hard for many people to see the potential. Sets the stage for a championship game and everything.

FB: UCF/USF ECU/USF(been hatred there for a while) ECU/UCF (some people thing this will fall through if this happens though) ECU/Marshall Marshall/WVU
BB: gains UX/Dayton

According to some of the UCF folks on here supposedly the UCF/Marshall thing goes back several years also.

(05-04-2010 03:07 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  I don't have a clue about Philadelphia politics and geography but if Villanova was harboring serious thought of going FBS partnering with the Union (MLS) to build their stadium would have made a lot of sense in the abstract but I doubt it is easily expandable to the 40,000 or so that would be the target.

It doesn't even hold 30K, not that the wine and cheese Villanovans would travel to Chester to see a game in a million years anyway.