(05-01-2010 09:32 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(05-01-2010 08:43 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(05-01-2010 06:17 PM)WVUeer Wrote:  

(05-01-2010 08:19 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  after B-10 expands to 14
Western alliance is formed
this my take on how BE splits & ends up
north [WV, Louv, Cin, EastCar, Temple, Buffalo]
South [TCU, USF, Memphis, Hous, UCF, UAB]

As a WVU fan and Alum, if a new alignment was to shake out looking like this and the ACC or SEC was not an option for us.... I would hope that my school would simply go independent. I'm not trying to sound "elitist" but I would not want my alma mater to be associated in athletics with the likes of Buffalo, UAB or even Temple. Sorry,.... those schools have consistently proven to be near the top of the "worst" college football programs of all time. All three have a career losing record with only 5 total bowls games to speak of in the the history of their programs. No thanks.

I do not want my school to associate with such a piss poor academic school like Western Virginia State College, so the feeling is mutual.

WOW....can you tell us how you really feel?

Disrespected by the hoopies.

(05-01-2010 09:19 PM)RecoveringHillbilly Wrote:  

(05-01-2010 09:11 PM)WVUeer Wrote:  I didnt say that I believed it....I know what the truth is. I simply said "good" because if thats what it takes to make you guys feel better and not want to be associated with us or the Big East than so be it. I dont know why you cant accept the fact that your football program has been almost non-existant until this past year. You talk bad about Villanova, yet Villanova...... an FCS football program beats you on your home turf?

People in glass houses...at least Temple lost to the FCS champion. Looks better than losing at home to a 7-5 New Hampshire team, huh?

Okay, you lost me on that one........I dont ever recall WVU playing New Hampshire. Am I missing something?

(05-01-2010 08:21 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(05-01-2010 07:29 PM)uofl05 Wrote:  There is ZERO chance Memphis gets in the B12 before Louisville,none. UL is far superior in every way,and both are about the same as far as geography and proximity to the rest of the league.

"Zero" and "none" are strong words. I'll bookmark this post for future reference, just in case. You could be right, but nothing is certain, no matter your protestations to the contrary.

Triple, I would like to end up with you guys again but I am saying if it comes down to 1 of the 2, it has to be UL. Money,success,facilities,fans,revenue,all favor us. Neither is in the B12 footprint so thats a wash. Best of luck whatever happens though.

(05-01-2010 02:59 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(05-01-2010 08:19 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  after B-10 expands to 14
Western alliance is formed
this my take on how BE splits & ends up
north [WV, Louv, Cin, EastCar, Temple, Buffalo]
South [TCU, USF, Memphis, Hous, UCF, UAB]

The Big East had their chance on the Tigers and may have taken us for granted too long. Big 12 chances are looking pretty good right now. I think (and hope) something like the following new Big 12 may result:

Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Kansas
Kansas State
Iowa State
BYU
Memphis
TCU
Texas Tech
Texas
Baylor
Texas A&M

Can you tell me what has Memphis done to get their football positioned for the future as well as on field accomplishments to entice the BE to pull the trigger on inviting your school into the conference? You cannot deny the fact that one of your televised football games last year drew only 5000 fans to the stadium. The key for Memphis to get an invite in the past fell to how well football could be improved, because the BE does not need another strong BB competitor who can't do squat in football.

Let's at least use some objectivity and quantify the challenges that Memphis still faces on the football side that does not make it look appealing to BCS conferences.

The Big XII and Big East are both dead...

Big 10 takes Missouri and Nebraska(along with Pitt, Cuse and Rutgers)

SEC takes Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State(SEC would prefer Texas/Oklahoma and 2 out of FSU, Clemson, Va Tech, but through state politics you can't get Texas without A&M and can't get OU without OSU)

Pac 10 takes Colorado, Baylor, Texas Tech, Kansas State, Kansas, Iowa State.

The ACC definitely takes WVU and UCONN and then two out of the three of Cincy, Louisville and USF.

This creates four 16 team super conferences and unfortunately leaves one Big East team SOL(my feeling is USF).

The MWC(who is nearing AQ status as it is) invites Boise St, Houston, and Tulsa in an attempt to secure AQ status and get a championship game.

That leaves the MAC at 13, C-USA at 10, WAC at 8, Sun Belt at 9(10 with USA in the pipeline) Notre Dame, Army and Navy independent and USF without a conference.

Conventional wisdom would dictate that C-USA invites USF and one of Temple/Middle Tennessee/Western Kentucky/La Tech. However, this makes C-USA an east heavy league and puts UTEP on even more of an island. So...the question now becomes whether or not the remaining leagues can cooperate to make more geographical leagues. The WAC invites UTEP, Rice, SMU and UNT to get to 12. The MAC invites Marshall, Army, and Navy to get to 16. The Sun Belt, remaining C-USA schools and USF form a 16 team conference.

ACC-16
SEC-16
Pac 16
Big 16
MWC-12
WAC-12
MAC-16
SBC-16
Independent-Notre Dame

(05-01-2010 10:32 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  The MAC invites Army, and Navy

You did fine until here. Not a chance.

(05-01-2010 10:42 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(05-01-2010 10:32 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  The MAC invites Army, and Navy

You did fine until here. Not a chance.

So they just invite Marshall and go to 14 and Army and Navy remain independent. If that's the only problem you find, I'd say I did pretty well.

(05-01-2010 10:43 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(05-01-2010 10:42 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(05-01-2010 10:32 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  The MAC invites Army, and Navy

You did fine until here. Not a chance.

So they just invite Marshall and go to 14 and Army and Navy remain independent. If that's the only problem you find, I'd say I did pretty well.

I've certainly seen much worse on here.

In the last 5 years or so, I have probably talked to about 10-12 Marshall fans at sporting events. They were unanimous and emphatic that their school will NOT rejoin the MAC, no matter what.

If it came down to it, they would probably seek the Sun Belt before the MAC. But anyway, Marshall fans seem to be very happy in C-USA (although they obviously wish their teams were doing better on the field) and have no wish to leave it.

Our Fans were tired of losing Games and the Football Program was in a downward spiral. We decided the only way to force a change of Coaching was to Boycott the games until a Head Coaching change was made. Tommy West was fired and Memphis hired Larry Porter from LSU who is one of the top recruiters in the Business. Porter has already increased the quality of our Recruits which we anticipate to continue improving every year. Memphis is building a state of the art weight room, as well as other improvements. The Liberty Bowl is in the process of being updated as is the area surrounding the Stadium. Memphis has committed to building our Football Program. We have tasted the excitement of success with our Basketball Program and want the same for our Football Program. Coach Porter has been a part of a National Championship Team and said his desire was to win one at Memphis. A major key to success is recruiting great players. Porter is determined to try to keep Memphis talent in Memphis. As we start winning more games we will recruit better players by keeping them home just like we did in Basketball. With success comes additional money for improvements. We have also begun scheduling better competition.

(05-01-2010 09:44 PM)WVUeer Wrote:  

(05-01-2010 09:19 PM)RecoveringHillbilly Wrote:  

(05-01-2010 09:11 PM)WVUeer Wrote:  I didnt say that I believed it....I know what the truth is. I simply said "good" because if thats what it takes to make you guys feel better and not want to be associated with us or the Big East than so be it. I dont know why you cant accept the fact that your football program has been almost non-existant until this past year. You talk bad about Villanova, yet Villanova...... an FCS football program beats you on your home turf?

People in glass houses...at least Temple lost to the FCS champion. Looks better than losing at home to a 7-5 New Hampshire team, huh?

Okay, you lost me on that one........I dont ever recall WVU playing New Hampshire. Am I missing something?

I was alluding to your rah-rah'ing for Marshall, while you laugh at Temple.

(05-01-2010 11:00 PM)LadyTiger Wrote:  Our Fans were tired of losing Games and the Football Program was in a downward spiral. We decided the only way to force a change of Coaching was to Boycott the games until a Head Coaching change was made.

All true. But a school that is poised for Prime Time doesn't have to waste time dealing with those kinds of issues in the first place.

Quote:Coach Porter has been a part of a National Championship Team and said his desire was to win one at Memphis.

No comment.

(05-01-2010 11:00 PM)LadyTiger Wrote:  Our Fans were tired of losing Games and the Football Program was in a downward spiral. We decided the only way to force a change of Coaching was to Boycott the games until a Head Coaching change was made. Tommy West was fired and Memphis hired Larry Porter from LSU who is one of the top recruiters in the Business. Porter has already increased the quality of our Recruits which we anticipate to continue improving every year. Memphis is building a state of the art weight room, as well as other improvements. The Liberty Bowl is in the process of being updated as is the area surrounding the Stadium. Memphis has committed to building our Football Program. We have tasted the excitement of success with our Basketball Program and want the same for our Football Program. Coach Porter has been a part of a National Championship Team and said his desire was to win one at Memphis. A major key to success is recruiting great players. Porter is determined to try to keep Memphis talent in Memphis. As we start winning more games we will recruit better players by keeping them home just like we did in Basketball. With success comes additional money for improvements. We have also begun scheduling better competition.

And that's all fine and good and of course you buy it, but does the brass of the Big East/Big XII or whoever else is pulling the strings in realignment.

The issue has been resolved and Memphis has committed to making the changes we need to be a player in Football.

(05-01-2010 10:57 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  In the last 5 years or so, I have probably talked to about 10-12 Marshall fans at sporting events. They were unanimous and emphatic that their school will NOT rejoin the MAC, no matter what.

If it came down to it, they would probably seek the Sun Belt before the MAC. But anyway, Marshall fans seem to be very happy in C-USA (although they obviously wish their teams were doing better on the field) and have no wish to leave it.

Of course they're much happier in C-USA than the MAC, but if this scenario were to play out, they may not have a choice. In this scenario there are 17 teams left between the Sun Belt, C-USA and USF.

Louisiana Monroe
Louisiana Lafayette
Tulane
Arkansas State
Southern Miss
South Alabama
Memphis
Troy
UAB
UCF
USF
FAU
FIU
Middle Tennessee
Western Kentucky
East Carolina
Marshall

There's one odd man out...geographically Marshall fits in the MAC.

(05-01-2010 11:10 PM)LadyTiger Wrote:  The issue has been resolved and Memphis has committed to making the changes we need to be a player in Football.

Yes, but who doesn't plan on playing better football, LadyTiger? If it was as simple as planning or committing even, Memphis wouldn't be in the spot they are now. The best laid plans of mice and men, oft go awry.

All this expansion talk aside, I'm looking forward to another victorious trip to the Liberty Bowl this September.

(05-01-2010 11:14 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Of course they're much happier in C-USA than the MAC, but if this scenario were to play out, they may not have a choice. In this scenario there are 17 teams left between the Sun Belt, C-USA and USF.

I don't know what scenario has Houston, Rice, SMU, Tulsa, and UTEP leaving C-USA, but I can promise you that scenario is absurd. But anyway, just for the sake of argument, let us suppose that actually happened, and C-USA was left with 7 remaining members. Marshall would be one of those seven, and C-USA, in that event, would pick and choose which of the available Sun Belt/FCS teams it wanted to add on to those existing seven. Marshall's place in the conference would remain secure.

(05-01-2010 11:28 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(05-01-2010 11:14 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Of course they're much happier in C-USA than the MAC, but if this scenario were to play out, they may not have a choice. In this scenario there are 17 teams left between the Sun Belt, C-USA and USF.

I don't know what scenario has Houston, Rice, SMU, Tulsa, and UTEP leaving C-USA, but I can promise you that scenario is absurd. But anyway, just for the sake of argument, let us suppose that actually happened, and C-USA was left with 7 remaining members. Marshall would be one of those seven, and C-USA, in that event, would pick and choose which of the available Sun Belt/FCS teams it wanted to add on to those existing seven. Marshall's place in the conference would remain secure.

You don't know what scenario? I laid it out. Tulsa and Houston and Boise to the MWC to get to 12. You're crazy if you think Tulsa and Houston wouldn't make that move. From that point, I admitted that it would require geographic cooperation from the remaining WAC/C-USA/SBC members, which may not happen, but C-USA is at 10, if they're to go to 12 they add USF and one of Middle Tennessee/Western Kentucky/Temple. Does UTEP, SMU and Rice fit in that increasingly eastern based league? Maybe they do, maybe C-USA adds six to get to 16, South Florida, Middle Tennessee, Western Kentucky, Temple, North Texas and Louisiana Tech. But the whole point of the scenario I laid out was geographic cooperation.

(05-01-2010 11:40 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  You don't know what scenario? I laid it out.

Sorry, PiKapp, no offense but I have not read every post on this thread.

I do not believe for one minute that the MWC is going to invite Tulsa or Houston anytime soon. And even if they did, Tulsa and Houston would need to think very carefully about how likely it is that Utah and BYU are going to stick around. Without those two, (and even WITH Boise) the MWC is just not that big a deal -- and in terms of media exposure it would be virtually invisible in the Eastern/Central time zones.

Tulsa, in particular, has already been burned once before by the arrogance/greed of UU/BYU (remember the WAC-16?). To put themselves in a position to get burned again would be quite reckless.

(05-01-2010 11:14 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(05-01-2010 10:57 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  In the last 5 years or so, I have probably talked to about 10-12 Marshall fans at sporting events. They were unanimous and emphatic that their school will NOT rejoin the MAC, no matter what.

If it came down to it, they would probably seek the Sun Belt before the MAC. But anyway, Marshall fans seem to be very happy in C-USA (although they obviously wish their teams were doing better on the field) and have no wish to leave it.

Of course they're much happier in C-USA than the MAC, but if this scenario were to play out, they may not have a choice. In this scenario there are 17 teams left between the Sun Belt, C-USA and USF.

Louisiana Monroe
Louisiana Lafayette
Tulane
Arkansas State
Southern Miss
South Alabama
Memphis
Troy
UAB
UCF
USF
FAU
FIU
Middle Tennessee
Western Kentucky
East Carolina
Marshall

There's one odd man out...geographically Marshall fits in the MAC.

Dude, Judy Genshaft would cancel the Football at USF program before she would EVER be caught in a conference with those schools... They are going to have to lock her out of the room just to get UCF and USF in the same conference. Trust me... this has about 0% chance of happening...