(04-30-2010 05:43 PM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  How about where we are today? WVU has an N bomb dropping hillbilly for a coach who has yet to duplicate RRod's success; in fact the team has taken a step back. Louisville, UC and USF all have new coaches. UConn and Rutgers have yet to get over the hump. Pitt looks to be fine with Wanny. I wouldn't trade Nebraska's future for any of those in the Big East.

Where you are today is about the same. Nebraska is a shell of its former self. Put them on a neutral field and anything could happen. Nebraska used to be something special but now are not what they used to be. Michigan had 20,000 more people in the stands the past few years than Nebraska did-does that make them a powerhouse? Didn't think so.

(04-30-2010 05:44 PM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  

(04-30-2010 05:35 PM)buckaineer Wrote:  

(04-30-2010 05:18 PM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  They're still a better football program than any the Big East has to offer. And their fan support can't be matched...hell, Nebraska's spring game attendance was a better crowd than WVU has ever had for a home game.

Nebraska gets to play teams like Oklahoma and Texas at home on a regular basis. They built a large stadium decades ago and have expanded it. If WVU had similar home competition on a regular basis, I wouldn't count out the Mountaineers as being able to compete with Husker nation.

LOL ah that must be it. That must also be why WVU contracted the stadium. It seats less now than it did a few years ago.

FYI WVU contracted to put the luxary boxes in....those boxes make much more cash per saturday then those 5k seats did sold out or not.The way the staudium is construced I'm not sure you could have put boxes in without taking seats out

Personally I think the crowds have been pretty good considering your trying to sell the fan base on playing USF instead of Miami, Louisville instead of Virginia Tech, UC instead of Boston College and there's no Penn St on the scheule

Va Tech and PSU were pretty much guranteed sellouts regardless of WVUs record

Jackson

Here's my quote from another thread on Nebraska, for all you Nebraska bashers

(04-29-2010 03:33 AM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  Bill let me drop some facts about Nebraska for you. They won the national title in 70, 71, 94, 95, 97 and lost the 2001 championship. They had 9 or more wins from 1969-2001. Their "mediocre" decade was really just 3 years 2002(7-7), 2004(5-6), 2007(5-7). 2005 they were 8-4. The rest of the 00's were 9 wins or more. So 7 good 3 bad for the decade. Put that resume against any Big 10 school, especially against Missouri, Pitt, Rutgers, Syracuse, UConn, and ND, who the Big 10 is looking at. I'll take my chances with Nebraska saying on the national scene.

If its not just based on market they have the best case to get in. How many sell outs does Nebraska have in a row? I bet its Green Bay Packer like.

well things run in cycles, at one time Temple & Tulane were FB powers, They played in the 1st Sugar bowl. things are changing again & as much as Nebraska was an elite program. I think they get left out & start to decline as national program

(04-30-2010 09:50 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  well things run in cycles, at one time Temple & Tulane were FB powers, They played in the 1st Sugar bowl. things are changing again & as much as Nebraska was an elite program. I think they get left out & start to decline as national program

That is one long cycle, and it never got as bad as Tulane or Temple, plus they are in a major conference the other 2 aren't. Also the 2009 B12 championship was Texas vs Nebraska with Texas winning on the last play. That doesn't sound like a team heading for Tulane status.

(04-30-2010 09:50 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  things run in cycles, at one time Temple & Tulane were FB powers, They played in the 1st Sugar bowl.

It really is hard to believe, today, but there was about a thirty-year span in which Tulane had one of the national top-15-or-20 W-L records in college football. Was the first Southern team invited to the Rose Bowl (turned it down; runner-up Alabama accepted) and the third Southern team to play in it (after Bama and Georgia Tech). Tulane Stadium (a/k/a the "Sugar Bowl") was the largest stadium in the South for a long time (MUCH bigger than any other SEC/SWC facility of the time)-- and we played to a (mostly) full house, too. Was the preseason #1 team as chosen by SPORT magazine in 1950 (along with The Sporting News, one of the two nationally-significant sports magazines of that era). Had the overall-#1 NFL draft-pick about 1961 or so. Etc., etc., etc.

Of course, that's all gone with the wind, now...

(04-30-2010 10:10 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(04-30-2010 09:50 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  things run in cycles, at one time Temple & Tulane were FB powers, They played in the 1st Sugar bowl.

It really is hard to believe, today, but there was about a thirty-year span in which Tulane had one of the national top-15-or-20 W-L records in college football. Was the first Southern team invited to the Rose Bowl (turned it down; runner-up Alabama accepted) and the third Southern team to play in it (after Bama and Georgia Tech). Tulane Stadium (a/k/a the "Sugar Bowl") was the largest stadium in the South for a long time (MUCH bigger than any other SEC/SWC facility of the time)-- and we played to a (mostly) full house, too. Was the preseason #1 team as chosen by SPORT magazine in 1950 (along with The Sporting News, one of the two nationally-significant sports magazines of that era). Had the overall-#1 NFL draft-pick about 1961 or so. Etc., etc., etc.

Of course, that's all gone with the wind, now...

Tulane was 12-0 in 1998 I believe and that got them a top 10 ranking. If they were 12-0 in the SEC, ACC, B12, B10, P10 they would have been #1 or 2

(04-30-2010 10:21 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  Tulane was 12-0 in 1998 I believe and that got them a top 10 ranking. If they were 12-0 in the SEC, ACC, B12, B10, P10 they would have been #1 or 2

1998 was the year, yes. Our one flash of pure brilliance in recent memory. Final, consensus post-bowls ranking of #7.

That team did not deserve to play for the NC, but it did deserve something better than the Liberty Bowl against a 9-4 BYU team (9-5 after the game, heh). Tulane's president Scott Cowen has since admitted that if he hadn't been so new on the job, and (frankly) naive about college sports, he would have sued to get Tulane a more lucrative outcome. Not saying a lawsuit would have achieved anything on the field in such a short span of time. But it would have stirred the pot, and forced some of the issues up to the surface that we -- all the non-Cartel programs in the FBS -- have been dealing with these past 10-11 years or so.

(04-30-2010 09:50 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  well things run in cycles, at one time Temple & Tulane were FB powers, They played in the 1st Sugar bowl. things are changing again & as much as Nebraska was an elite program. I think they get left out & start to decline as national program

It's kind of like saying the Houston Texans are eventually going to have more appeal than the Green Bay Packers because of its market. You're really underestimating the Nebraska fan base. Those people aren't just fanatical - it is literally a 24/7/365 obsession. I've seen a lot of fan bases up close and personal - Notre Dame, Michigan, Ohio State, Florida - and I'm telling you straight up that Nebraska fans beat them all in terms of unwavering passion (win or lose) and travel.

I will gladly take any school that can (a) have 47 straight years of sellouts (every Nebraska game has been sold out since 1962) and (b) can get 78,000 people to pay $10 each to go to a spring game like they did last week. No one can compare with that - not even Notre Dame. There are only a handful of fan bases in all of sports that are that fanatical. When you have that type of support, you're going to be financially secure, which means you're going to have the facilities to draw in the best talent for winning.

Rutgers, Missouri and Nebraska....
No more, no less......
The question is who will replace the two teams from The Big 12.
CJ

(04-30-2010 08:26 PM)buckaineer Wrote:  

(04-30-2010 05:43 PM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  How about where we are today? WVU has an N bomb dropping hillbilly for a coach who has yet to duplicate RRod's success; in fact the team has taken a step back. Louisville, UC and USF all have new coaches. UConn and Rutgers have yet to get over the hump. Pitt looks to be fine with Wanny. I wouldn't trade Nebraska's future for any of those in the Big East.

Where you are today is about the same. Nebraska is a shell of its former self. Put them on a neutral field and anything could happen. Nebraska used to be something special but now are not what they used to be. Michigan had 20,000 more people in the stands the past few years than Nebraska did-does that make them a powerhouse? Didn't think so.

Huge difference. Nebraska is on the way up; WVU is on the decline. Nebraska actually has a sought after head coach. WVU doesn't. Nebraska outrecruits WVU, plays in a better conference than WVU, has more fans than WVU, is a better TV draw than WVU.