(04-23-2010 12:02 AM)Pumpkin Man Wrote:  No disrespect to East Carolina, but it's ludicrous to think they'd ever be under serious consideration by the SEC. While they do have a decent following for football, it's highly questionable if they really "deliver" the North Carolina market to any league, but perhaps their biggest problem is going to be their location in rural Eastern NC. It's a 1.5 hour drive from Raleigh, essentially in the middle of nowhere.

Right now, there's no reason for any conference outside of the Big Ten to go the super conference route to 16. The SEC maybe, just because they're the SEC and they'd find a way to make it work.

None taken. If fact I lol'd when i saw our name mentioned for the SEC. While it would be wonderful to dream that, it's not going to happen. NC is a funny state especially when it comes to market. The population is good sized but there's no one area that's specific per team. You'll find as many ECU fans in charlotte as you will in wilmington. We're spread out across the entire state, and the same goes for all the schools in NC, it's one big mix. One area that people do not give ECU credit for is that there are large amounts of alumni in the tidewater VA area, as well as the No. Va, DC, and MD area, as well as NJ. We do have a very strong following which is spread out, so looking at just Greenville-Pitt area for TV ratings is a bit misleading. But Perceptions are usually reality for most people.

I think we might be stuck actually. BE doesn't seem to want us because we don't have a large market to bring. We're not brand name enough for the SEC, and there's no way the ACC adds a 5th NC school. Then you throw in that we dropped in academics when the state made us start taking more students. As fans, All we can do is control the things we can control. Give to the school, buy tickets, show up and be loud. That said, man I'd love to play SEC baseball.

Need to change the name of this thread to the latest fantasy on conf expansion.

Any BE fan can say all the want about ECU joining the BE and/or SEC and how neither wants the Pirates. They offer nothing. But as I read comments by several Big 10 fans this week, they don't want any BE teams in thier conference as they say they offer nothing. Wow. Can't believe what I'm reading from those crazy Big 10 fans.

I love it. Time will tell. Go Pirates......

(04-22-2010 09:52 PM)wvucrazed Wrote:  Total BS.

+1

ECU would be a great fit for the SEC. I don't see the SEC adding an urban school like Louisville. As a member of the SEC, ECU would dominate recruiting in the southeastern part of Virginia and a good portion of North Carolina. There's enough talent in those areas to be competitive in the SEC.

ECU would do just fine in the SEC. but facts are facts, The SEC will have the pick of the litter, and ECU won't be that pick.

(04-23-2010 07:24 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  ECU would do just fine in the SEC. but facts are facts, The SEC will have the pick of the litter, and ECU won't be that pick.

I just posted that since I figured it would fit right in with all the other dreamers on this board.

(04-22-2010 10:12 PM)knightalum74 Wrote:  

(04-22-2010 09:04 PM)TCUFrogAB Wrote:  The latest information on conference expansion is that the Big 10 will take Mizzou and Nebraska from the Big 12 and Pitt, Rutgers, and either Syracuse or UConn from the Big East.

The Big 12 is looking at my Frogs and the Houston Cougs as replacements for Mizzou and Nebraska and looking at the additional of four more teams with schools such as Louisville, Cincinnati, New Mexico, and Memphis being mentioned.

The Mountain West could potentially gain an auto BCS bid starting in the 2012 season and could add Boise State and Fresno State.

The SEC is looking at becoming a super conference and teams being mention as additions include West Virginia and South Florida in the Big East, Clemson, Virginia Tech, Florida State, and Miami in the ACC, and East Carolina in Conference USA.

The ACC is looking at becoming a super conference as well and could pluck teams left over from the Big East and Conference USA.

It is very likely Utah, Colorado, and maybe more teams including Texas and A&M are going to the PAC 10.

Does the Big East survive? All signs are showing that the Big East shot itself in the foot by not adding more to its football side and now may become extinct.

So you spent the day reading ALL the threads in here for the past 6 months, and basically just summarized and combined every rumor out there, and made it the "latest" developments... Interesting ...

+10

Here's college sports trickle down of who can raid who:

SEC can't be raided by anyone
Big 10 can't be raided by anyone
Pac 10 can't be raided by anyone mostly because of geography
ACC can be raided easily by the SEC and maybe the Big 10
Big 12 can be easily raided by the Big 10 and SEC, maybe Pac 10
Big East can be raided by the Big 10, ACC and SEC
MWC can be raided by Big 12, SEC, and Pac 10 with ease, other BCS's with difficulty
CUSA can be raided by any BCS and maybe MWC
WAC is at the mercy of Pac 10, Big 12 and MWC and maybe vulnerable to CUSA as well
MAC is an open book to everyone but the Sun Belt
Sun Belt is an open book even to the MAC

(04-23-2010 09:27 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  Here's college sports trickle down of who can raid who:

SEC can't be raided by anyone
Big 10 can't be raided by anyone
Pac 10 can't be raided by anyone mostly because of geography
ACC can be raided easily by the SEC and maybe the Big 10
Big 12 can be easily raided by the Big 10 and SEC, maybe Pac 10
Big East can be raided by the Big 10, ACC and SEC
MWC can be raided by Big 12, SEC, and Pac 10 with ease, other BCS's with difficulty
CUSA can be raided by any BCS and maybe MWC
WAC is at the mercy of Pac 10, Big 12 and MWC and maybe vulnerable to CUSA as well
MAC is an open book to everyone but the Sun Belt
Sun Belt is an open book even to the MAC

Good post. I agree 100%.

TCUFrogAB Wrote:The SEC is looking at becoming a super conference and teams being mention as additions include West Virginia and South Florida in the Big East, Clemson, Virginia Tech, Florida State, and Miami in the ACC, and East Carolina in Conference USA.

Question......and I stress that this is not a knock on ECU, just a realistic question. Why would the SEC want ECU when it could easily have North Carolina State if the desire thas there for the SEC to take on that region?

(04-23-2010 09:27 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  MAC is an open book to everyone but the Sun Belt
Sun Belt is an open book even to the MAC

This is highly debatable. Many if not most of the Sun Belt schools have a much higher upside than the MAC schools. They are growing in leaps and bounds and when you look at rivalries, bowls, etc, I think it unlikely that any Sun Belt school would be willing to leave for the MAC. CUSA - yes, of course. But I'd put the MAC and Sun Belt at the same level on the college sports food chain.

When all the smoke is clear, and IF ECU is left out of a BcS conference, then we need to go back to our Indy status and take the other sports to the CAA, or something similar.

(04-22-2010 09:04 PM)TCUFrogAB Wrote:  Does the Big East survive? All signs are showing that the Big East shot itself in the foot by not adding more to its football side and now may become extinct.

Sucked dry by the parasites.

(04-23-2010 09:38 AM)WVUeer Wrote:  

TCUFrogAB Wrote:The SEC is looking at becoming a super conference and teams being mention as additions include West Virginia and South Florida in the Big East, Clemson, Virginia Tech, Florida State, and Miami in the ACC, and East Carolina in Conference USA.

Question......and I stress that this is not a knock on ECU, just a realistic question. Why would the SEC want ECU when it could easily have North Carolina State if the desire thas there for the SEC to take on that region?

No offense taken. But I don't think any of the four North Carolina schools would leave 'easily'. This is the heart of ACC country, and while there is less shine around here since the end of round-robin basketball, I still have a hard time believing Duke, State, Wake or UNC would ever play anywhere else.

People often bring up that it's not the athletic staff, but the presidents who make these decisions. Well, as I understand it, NC State's 'president' is the president of the UNC System... It would be tough to break up UNC and NC State unless the Tar Heels wanted NC State out.

(04-23-2010 10:07 AM)LUVECU Wrote:  When all the smoke is clear, and IF ECU is left out of a BcS conference, then we need to go back to our Indy status and take the other sports to the CAA, or something similar.

I completely agree. It would be a struggle financially, but with all the great teams in the region it would make for a really good and entertaining season. Keep CUSA opponents UCF, Marshall, and USM, strike a deal with Army and Navy, then fill the schedule with a rotation of teams from the BE and ACC that we already have series with, along with team or two like South Carolina from the SEC.
Could go something like this.
Army, Navy, UCF,Marshall,USM,NCSU or UNC,App. State, Duke or Wake, VT or UVA, S. Carolina, and maybe some SunBelt teams like MTSU or Troy. As good of an AD as Holland is, I'm sure he could work out a decent schedule each year.

(04-23-2010 10:34 AM)Chappy Wrote:  

(04-23-2010 09:38 AM)WVUeer Wrote:  

TCUFrogAB Wrote:The SEC is looking at becoming a super conference and teams being mention as additions include West Virginia and South Florida in the Big East, Clemson, Virginia Tech, Florida State, and Miami in the ACC, and East Carolina in Conference USA.

Question......and I stress that this is not a knock on ECU, just a realistic question. Why would the SEC want ECU when it could easily have North Carolina State if the desire thas there for the SEC to take on that region?

No offense taken. But I don't think any of the four North Carolina schools would leave 'easily'. This is the heart of ACC country, and while there is less shine around here since the end of round-robin basketball, I still have a hard time believing Duke, State, Wake or UNC would ever play anywhere else.

People often bring up that it's not the athletic staff, but the presidents who make these decisions. Well, as I understand it, NC State's 'president' is the president of the UNC System... It would be tough to break up UNC and NC State unless the Tar Heels wanted NC State out.

I don't see the tobacco road schools breaking up either, too much history there in basketball. From a football perspective, if you could compare ECU and NC State on some sort of adjusted scale to compensate for State's BCS money and better recruiting, would there be that much difference in the two. One could certainly make the point that in recent history anyways, since Rivers' departure from NC State, ECU has done more with less while state has had a sub-par performance.

It's a nice dream, but ECU will never be in the SEC......and I believe NCSU would jump the ACC ship before we get a SEC invite, and I highly doubt either of those is going to happen anytime soon.

(04-23-2010 06:35 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Need to change the name of this thread to the latest fantasy on conf expansion.

Agreed and done.

(04-23-2010 10:07 AM)LUVECU Wrote:  When all the smoke is clear, and IF ECU is left out of a BcS conference, then we need to go back to our Indy status and take the other sports to the CAA, or something similar.

If you are going to do that you just as well kill your FB program Outside of ND and the academy's no one can survive that way today.. No bowl possibilitys, and having to schedule 12 games every year is tough.