exciting games you'll ever see. I watched the last few minutes of regulation, and then through the two overtimes. There were some amazing shots made to keep sending the game into overtime. Shame one team had to lose. Both had some great players. Wish we could recruit like some of those mid-majors do.

Still think the best idea would be to turn the school over to the Catholic church. Those Catholic schools seem to be able to recruit good players. Xavier, Marquette, and several others. Guess we could be something like PPLR (Pope Pius Little Rock) , or some grand name like that. Just a thought.

[quote='outsideualr' pid='5307948' dateline='1269613854']
exciting games you'll ever see. I watched the last few minutes of regulation, and then through the two overtimes. There were some amazing shots made to keep sending the game into overtime. Shame one team had to lose. Both had some great players. Wish we could recruit like some of those mid-majors do.

Which mid major were you referring to? Certainly not Xavier as they are not a mid major by any definition of the word. They are only one of two teams in the country to have been to at least the Sweet Sixteen for the last three years. The other being Michigan State.

(03-26-2010 09:36 AM)PTJR Wrote:  [quote='outsideualr' pid='5307948' dateline='1269613854']
exciting games you'll ever see. I watched the last few minutes of regulation, and then through the two overtimes. There were some amazing shots made to keep sending the game into overtime. Shame one team had to lose. Both had some great players. Wish we could recruit like some of those mid-majors do.

Which mid major were you referring to? Certainly not Xavier as they are not a mid major by any definition of the word. They are only one of two teams in the country to have been to at least the Sweet Sixteen for the last three years. The other being Michigan State.

We seem to think of mid majors as any team not in a BCS conference. Obviously Xavier, Butler, Gonzaga, and even Western Kentucky and others are not mid majors in terms of the quality of their programs, but for description purposes, those schools probably qualify. I'll have to look back at the mid major rankings and see who is listed in there among these schools. In terms of budgets, and size of the universities I don't think you could consider Xavier anything but a mid major, but in terms of production on the court, obviously they're anything but.

(03-26-2010 09:51 AM)outsideualr Wrote:  

(03-26-2010 09:36 AM)PTJR Wrote:  [quote='outsideualr' pid='5307948' dateline='1269613854']
exciting games you'll ever see. I watched the last few minutes of regulation, and then through the two overtimes. There were some amazing shots made to keep sending the game into overtime. Shame one team had to lose. Both had some great players. Wish we could recruit like some of those mid-majors do.

Which mid major were you referring to? Certainly not Xavier as they are not a mid major by any definition of the word. They are only one of two teams in the country to have been to at least the Sweet Sixteen for the last three years. The other being Michigan State.

We seem to think of mid majors as any team not in a BCS conference. Obviously Xavier, Butler, Gonzaga, and even Western Kentucky and others are not mid majors in terms of the quality of their programs, but for description purposes, those schools probably qualify. I'll have to look back at the mid major rankings and see who is listed in there among these schools. In terms of budgets, and size of the universities I don't think you could consider Xavier anything but a mid major, but in terms of production on the court, obviously they're anything but.

Xavier has 4228 undergraduates and an athletic budget of $11 million dollars. Ohio State has over 50,000 students and an athletic budget of $102 million. Of course a lot of that is for football, but by any stretch of the imiagination, Xavier can't be classified as anything but a mid major. Heck. UALR has three times as many undergraduate students as they do. Of course our athletic budget, as best I can ascertain from an NCAA site is around $1.5 million, so once again I guess if Xavier is amid major, then we're not a mid major, but a low major at this time.

(03-26-2010 10:07 AM)outsideualr Wrote:  Xavier has 4228 undergraduates and an athletic budget of $11 million dollars. Ohio State has over 50,000 students and an athletic budget of $102 million.

Maybe we should change "mid-major" to "non-money."

(03-26-2010 10:07 AM)outsideualr Wrote:  

(03-26-2010 09:51 AM)outsideualr Wrote:  

(03-26-2010 09:36 AM)PTJR Wrote:  [quote='outsideualr' pid='5307948' dateline='1269613854']
exciting games you'll ever see. I watched the last few minutes of regulation, and then through the two overtimes. There were some amazing shots made to keep sending the game into overtime. Shame one team had to lose. Both had some great players. Wish we could recruit like some of those mid-majors do.

Which mid major were you referring to? Certainly not Xavier as they are not a mid major by any definition of the word. They are only one of two teams in the country to have been to at least the Sweet Sixteen for the last three years. The other being Michigan State.

We seem to think of mid majors as any team not in a BCS conference. Obviously Xavier, Butler, Gonzaga, and even Western Kentucky and others are not mid majors in terms of the quality of their programs, but for description purposes, those schools probably qualify. I'll have to look back at the mid major rankings and see who is listed in there among these schools. In terms of budgets, and size of the universities I don't think you could consider Xavier anything but a mid major, but in terms of production on the court, obviously they're anything but.

Xavier has 4228 undergraduates and an athletic budget of $11 million dollars. Ohio State has over 50,000 students and an athletic budget of $102 million. Of course a lot of that is for football, but by any stretch of the imiagination, Xavier can't be classified as anything but a mid major. Heck. UALR has three times as many undergraduate students as they do. Of course our athletic budget, as best I can ascertain from an NCAA site is around $1.5 million, so once again I guess if Xavier is amid major, then we're not a mid major, but a low major at this time.

If you take football out of Ohio State's budget, what do you come up with? By your definition, Georgetown, Villanova, Marquette, etc. would all be "Mid Majors". But you are right about one thing, if a program like Xavier is a mid major, then Little Rock is not even close to being a mid major.

Basketball needs to be separated from football when you are putting labels on basketball programs. At what level does a program compete and succeed should be the criteria. By this criteria, Xavier is far far above what is generally considered to be "Mid Major", as are Georgetown, Villanova, Marquette, etc., along with some of the other schools you mentioned.

(03-26-2010 11:05 AM)PTJR Wrote:  

(03-26-2010 10:07 AM)outsideualr Wrote:  

(03-26-2010 09:51 AM)outsideualr Wrote:  

(03-26-2010 09:36 AM)PTJR Wrote:  [quote='outsideualr' pid='5307948' dateline='1269613854']
exciting games you'll ever see. I watched the last few minutes of regulation, and then through the two overtimes. There were some amazing shots made to keep sending the game into overtime. Shame one team had to lose. Both had some great players. Wish we could recruit like some of those mid-majors do.

Which mid major were you referring to? Certainly not Xavier as they are not a mid major by any definition of the word. They are only one of two teams in the country to have been to at least the Sweet Sixteen for the last three years. The other being Michigan State.

We seem to think of mid majors as any team not in a BCS conference. Obviously Xavier, Butler, Gonzaga, and even Western Kentucky and others are not mid majors in terms of the quality of their programs, but for description purposes, those schools probably qualify. I'll have to look back at the mid major rankings and see who is listed in there among these schools. In terms of budgets, and size of the universities I don't think you could consider Xavier anything but a mid major, but in terms of production on the court, obviously they're anything but.

Xavier has 4228 undergraduates and an athletic budget of $11 million dollars. Ohio State has over 50,000 students and an athletic budget of $102 million. Of course a lot of that is for football, but by any stretch of the imiagination, Xavier can't be classified as anything but a mid major. Heck. UALR has three times as many undergraduate students as they do. Of course our athletic budget, as best I can ascertain from an NCAA site is around $1.5 million, so once again I guess if Xavier is amid major, then we're not a mid major, but a low major at this time.

If you take football out of Ohio State's budget, what do you come up with? By your definition, Georgetown, Villanova, Marquette, etc. would all be "Mid Majors". But you are right about one thing, if a program like Xavier is a mid major, then Little Rock is not even close to being a mid major.

Basketball needs to be separated from football when you are putting labels on basketball programs. At what level does a program compete and succeed should be the criteria. By this criteria, Xavier is far far above what is generally considered to be "Mid Major", as are Georgetown, Villanova, Marquette, etc., along with some of the other schools you mentioned.

Aren't Nova and Georgetown in the Big East? I lose track of which conferences teams are in, but if that's the case, they would be a major as a result of being in a BCS conference. Marquette. They're a different story. I would like to know exactly how the term mid major is thought of by the pundits. Seems to be some varying opinions. Is UAPB considered a mid major? How about UCA?

(03-26-2010 11:05 AM)PTJR Wrote:  

(03-26-2010 10:07 AM)outsideualr Wrote:  

(03-26-2010 09:51 AM)outsideualr Wrote:  

(03-26-2010 09:36 AM)PTJR Wrote:  [quote='outsideualr' pid='5307948' dateline='1269613854']
exciting games you'll ever see. I watched the last few minutes of regulation, and then through the two overtimes. There were some amazing shots made to keep sending the game into overtime. Shame one team had to lose. Both had some great players. Wish we could recruit like some of those mid-majors do.

Which mid major were you referring to? Certainly not Xavier as they are not a mid major by any definition of the word. They are only one of two teams in the country to have been to at least the Sweet Sixteen for the last three years. The other being Michigan State.

We seem to think of mid majors as any team not in a BCS conference. Obviously Xavier, Butler, Gonzaga, and even Western Kentucky and others are not mid majors in terms of the quality of their programs, but for description purposes, those schools probably qualify. I'll have to look back at the mid major rankings and see who is listed in there among these schools. In terms of budgets, and size of the universities I don't think you could consider Xavier anything but a mid major, but in terms of production on the court, obviously they're anything but.

Xavier has 4228 undergraduates and an athletic budget of $11 million dollars. Ohio State has over 50,000 students and an athletic budget of $102 million. Of course a lot of that is for football, but by any stretch of the imiagination, Xavier can't be classified as anything but a mid major. Heck. UALR has three times as many undergraduate students as they do. Of course our athletic budget, as best I can ascertain from an NCAA site is around $1.5 million, so once again I guess if Xavier is amid major, then we're not a mid major, but a low major at this time.

If you take football out of Ohio State's budget, what do you come up with? By your definition, Georgetown, Villanova, Marquette, etc. would all be "Mid Majors". But you are right about one thing, if a program like Xavier is a mid major, then Little Rock is not even close to being a mid major.

Basketball needs to be separated from football when you are putting labels on basketball programs. At what level does a program compete and succeed should be the criteria. By this criteria, Xavier is far far above what is generally considered to be "Mid Major", as are Georgetown, Villanova, Marquette, etc., along with some of the other schools you mentioned.

I agree PTJR. The A10 schools for basketball purposes have similar or bigger basketball budgets than some SEC, Big 10 schools. When it comes to basketball the A10 schools put up the money.

(03-26-2010 03:49 PM)LR Alum Wrote:  

(03-26-2010 11:05 AM)PTJR Wrote:  

(03-26-2010 10:07 AM)outsideualr Wrote:  

(03-26-2010 09:51 AM)outsideualr Wrote:  

(03-26-2010 09:36 AM)PTJR Wrote:  [quote='outsideualr' pid='5307948' dateline='1269613854']
exciting games you'll ever see. I watched the last few minutes of regulation, and then through the two overtimes. There were some amazing shots made to keep sending the game into overtime. Shame one team had to lose. Both had some great players. Wish we could recruit like some of those mid-majors do.

Which mid major were you referring to? Certainly not Xavier as they are not a mid major by any definition of the word. They are only one of two teams in the country to have been to at least the Sweet Sixteen for the last three years. The other being Michigan State.

We seem to think of mid majors as any team not in a BCS conference. Obviously Xavier, Butler, Gonzaga, and even Western Kentucky and others are not mid majors in terms of the quality of their programs, but for description purposes, those schools probably qualify. I'll have to look back at the mid major rankings and see who is listed in there among these schools. In terms of budgets, and size of the universities I don't think you could consider Xavier anything but a mid major, but in terms of production on the court, obviously they're anything but.

Xavier has 4228 undergraduates and an athletic budget of $11 million dollars. Ohio State has over 50,000 students and an athletic budget of $102 million. Of course a lot of that is for football, but by any stretch of the imiagination, Xavier can't be classified as anything but a mid major. Heck. UALR has three times as many undergraduate students as they do. Of course our athletic budget, as best I can ascertain from an NCAA site is around $1.5 million, so once again I guess if Xavier is amid major, then we're not a mid major, but a low major at this time.

If you take football out of Ohio State's budget, what do you come up with? By your definition, Georgetown, Villanova, Marquette, etc. would all be "Mid Majors". But you are right about one thing, if a program like Xavier is a mid major, then Little Rock is not even close to being a mid major.

Basketball needs to be separated from football when you are putting labels on basketball programs. At what level does a program compete and succeed should be the criteria. By this criteria, Xavier is far far above what is generally considered to be "Mid Major", as are Georgetown, Villanova, Marquette, etc., along with some of the other schools you mentioned.

I agree PTJR. The A10 schools for basketball purposes have similar or bigger basketball budgets than some SEC, Big 10 schools. When it comes to basketball the A10 schools put up the money.

Maybe the conferences should be rated by the amount of their budget for basketball. Say over $10 million would be classified as majors, $5-$10 million mid majors, and under$5 million low majors. I don't really know what the high side is. Maybe over $20 or $25 million should be the defining amount. Anywhere we can find out the exact budget of all the NCAA schools for basketball alone?