(03-05-2010 04:36 PM)MonsterTigerBlue Wrote:  

(03-05-2010 04:24 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(03-05-2010 03:18 PM)WVUeer Wrote:  Now to what I think will happen....

MIZZOU, Pitt and Rutgers go Big Ten. The BEast offers Maryland, BC among a few other "high profiles" etc and all decline. BEast sets up meetings with CUSA to talk about possibilities, out of those negotiations CUSA helps push East Carolina and Marshall since both are far out of the footprint of CUSA but fit well in the BEast footprint. Both sides agree so BEast offers both ECU and Marshall to go along with Memphis and UCF. Memphis +1 becomes full members, the other two of the group are "football only". BEast finalizes the 12 team football league by adding two more "Football only" in "Army and Navy".......preserves the 16 team basketball league.

Is that really, truly what you "think will happen"?

And if it ever did happen... does that "new" version of the Big East sound like a BCS-conference to you?

It ain't chopped liver .... not bad really still good balance for football and basketball. If their is no AQ involved so be it... Hope they can preserve AQ if not I actually still like the set up...

One think I want to reiterate.....In my scenario the basketball side of the BEast stays in tact with the exception of loosing Pitt and Rutgers....not much dropoff if any at all from a basketball standpoint when you are adding Memphis to replace Pitt........to replace Rutgers in Basketball would be no problem at all by offering full membership to one of the other schools I had listed. Out of those 6 I listed (Memphis, ECU, Navy Marshall, UCF and Army) two would be "full time" members while the others would be "football only". Whoever doesnt get that second "full membership" some schools would likely have to relocate there other sports to another conference.

1. ECU
2. Memphis
3. Temple
4. Marshall
5. Southern Miss
6. Boston College
7. FAU, FIU, or UCF

(03-05-2010 07:57 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  LOL @ USM, Marshall and Nova over Temple.

JHG722, Nova might be an exception but whats really funny to me is that you think Temple would go before any of the others I mentioned. Sorry man I just dont see it. I really dont.

(03-05-2010 07:47 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  

(03-05-2010 03:51 PM)goalie eagle Wrote:  

(03-05-2010 03:42 PM)bluesox Wrote:  If its just a one school add, pitt, cuse, or rutgers to the big 10, than i would guess its either cfu or memphis coming on board. Yet, if the big east loses 4 at one time, not sure how that would go down, than who knows what happens...maybe the hybrid could be 8 catholic 4 football with no more big east football and the 4 football school's join either cusa or mwc as football only members.

Not sure about the MWC but C-USA requires all sports to played in the conference. No partial members in major sports.

Kentucky plays mens soccer in cusa since the sec doesnt sponsor that sport

That's true, and that's why I said major sports, meaning football, basketball and baseball. They will not allow a member to play any of these sports in another conference.

(03-05-2010 03:18 PM)WVUeer Wrote:  1. Navy
2. Memphis (If athletic probation is not an issue, otherwise the rest of the field moves up.)
3. Marshall
4A. UCF (Same as Memphis, the situation with Athletic probation)
4B. East Carolina
6. Southern Miss
7. Nova
8. Temple
9. Umass
10. Army

Now to what I think will happen....

MIZZOU, Pitt and Rutgers go Big Ten. The BEast offers Maryland, BC among a few other "high profiles" etc and all decline. BEast sets up meetings with CUSA to talk about possibilities, out of those negotiations CUSA helps push East Carolina and Marshall since both are far out of the footprint of CUSA but fit well in the BEast footprint. Both sides agree so BEast offers both ECU and Marshall to go along with Memphis and UCF. Memphis +1 becomes full members, the other two of the group are "football only". BEast finalizes the 12 team football league by adding two more "Football only" in "Army and Navy".......preserves the 16 team basketball league.

North:
1. WVU
2. Uconn
3. Syracuse
4. Army
5. Cincy
6. Navy

South:

1. Louisville
2. USF
3. Memphis
4. Marshall
5. UCF
6. East Carolina

C-USA ends up happy by adding schools closer to the core South West region of C-USA (possibles out of the Sunbelt) to complete their 12 team league.

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I post this with the assumption that there is NO SPLIT. If there is a split, this list looks a little different.


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(03-05-2010 09:16 PM)1badbird Wrote:  The BE is doomed if it has to rely on the future prospects of FCS schools.

The only way the BE could consider a fledgling program (UMass, Delaware G-town etc) is if ND, PSU or another college football behemoth joined...Ain't gonna happ'n!!!!

We've already been through relying on 1-AA teams and it worked pretty well. How many years was USF out of 1-AA when they joined the BE? And then there's UCONN.

We need to think long term, not where programs are now, but think about what they can become. That's why I talk about schools like FIU, FAU, Charlotte, etc. People laugh now, but we'll see where they are 7 to 10 years from now.

(03-05-2010 10:30 PM)wvucrazed Wrote:  

(03-05-2010 09:16 PM)1badbird Wrote:  The BE is doomed if it has to rely on the future prospects of FCS schools.

The only way the BE could consider a fledgling program (UMass, Delaware G-town etc) is if ND, PSU or another college football behemoth joined...Ain't gonna happ'n!!!!

We've already been through relying on 1-AA teams and it worked pretty well. How many years was USF out of 1-AA when they joined the BE? And then there's UCONN.

We need to think long term, not where programs are now, but think about what they can become. That's why I talk about schools like FIU, FAU, Charlotte, etc. People laugh now, but we'll see where they are 7 to 10 years from now.

Just for the record, Charlotte is not even going to begin football play until 2013. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think they have to stay FCS for at least 5 full years before being eligible for FBS? So the earliest they could be FBS (1-A) is 2018. That being the case, why is Charlotte even being brought up?

(03-05-2010 09:27 PM)buckaineer Wrote:  My current non-AQ BE expansion list

To stabilize football lost:
1. TCU
2. Navy
3.UCF
4. Houston

To have a football program with potential that also has very good to great basketball:
1. Villanova
2. Memphis
3. Temple
4. Richmond

Navy has already told us no. I doubt the subtraction of 1 or more of our best teams is going to help convince them, but ya never know....

Villanova is unable to move to 1-A. Richmond is a small private school with a stadium that seats about 9k. They will never be 1-A, but 3 other VA programs might be: Liberty, Old Dominion and James Madison.

(03-05-2010 03:18 PM)WVUeer Wrote:  1. Navy
2. Memphis (If athletic probation is not an issue, otherwise the rest of the field moves up.)
3. Marshall
4A. UCF (Same as Memphis, the situation with Athletic probation)
4B. East Carolina
6. Southern Miss
7. Nova
8. Temple
9. Umass
10. Army

Now to what I think will happen....

MIZZOU, Pitt and Rutgers go Big Ten. The BEast offers Maryland, BC among a few other "high profiles" etc and all decline. BEast sets up meetings with CUSA to talk about possibilities, out of those negotiations CUSA helps push East Carolina and Marshall since both are far out of the footprint of CUSA but fit well in the BEast footprint. Both sides agree so BEast offers both ECU and Marshall to go along with Memphis and UCF. Memphis +1 becomes full members, the other two of the group are "football only". BEast finalizes the 12 team football league by adding two more "Football only" in "Army and Navy".......preserves the 16 team basketball league.

North:
1. WVU
2. Uconn
3. Syracuse
4. Army
5. Cincy
6. Navy

South:

1. Louisville
2. USF
3. Memphis
4. Marshall
5. UCF
6. East Carolina

C-USA ends up happy by adding schools closer to the core South West region of C-USA (possibles out of the Sunbelt) to complete their 12 team league.

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To follow this up from earlier the Basketball side would not change much if any and look like this:

1. Syracuse
2. Nova
3. WVU
4. Memphis
5. Marquette
6. Louisville
7. Georgetown
8. Notre Dame
9. USF
10. Seton Hall
11. Uconn
12. Cincy
13. St. Johns
14. Providence
15. Depaul
16. ?....Would be the second full membership school. Who that would be I'm not 100% sure. The other option is to not offer a full membership to one of the new schools an instead invite Temple for "Basketball only." In this situation one could argue that the basketball side actually would have improved some under this scenario.

(03-05-2010 10:41 PM)WVUeer Wrote:  

(03-05-2010 10:30 PM)wvucrazed Wrote:  

(03-05-2010 09:16 PM)1badbird Wrote:  The BE is doomed if it has to rely on the future prospects of FCS schools.

The only way the BE could consider a fledgling program (UMass, Delaware G-town etc) is if ND, PSU or another college football behemoth joined...Ain't gonna happ'n!!!!

We've already been through relying on 1-AA teams and it worked pretty well. How many years was USF out of 1-AA when they joined the BE? And then there's UCONN.

We need to think long term, not where programs are now, but think about what they can become. That's why I talk about schools like FIU, FAU, Charlotte, etc. People laugh now, but we'll see where they are 7 to 10 years from now.

Just for the record, Charlotte is not even going to begin football play until 2013. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think they have to stay FCS for at least 5 full years before being eligible for FBS? So the earliest they could be FBS (1-A) is 2018. That being the case, why is Charlotte even being brought up?

4 years, 2 full FCS seasons, 2 transition seasons. 2017, but the first any school could change conferences is July 1st 2012 and its doubtful the Big 10 will move that fast some more like July 1st 2013 or 2014. The BE reaction could be slower, or faster. If slower, Charlotte could be an option as well as JMU, Georgia St. others.

(03-05-2010 10:52 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(03-05-2010 10:41 PM)WVUeer Wrote:  

(03-05-2010 10:30 PM)wvucrazed Wrote:  

(03-05-2010 09:16 PM)1badbird Wrote:  The BE is doomed if it has to rely on the future prospects of FCS schools.

The only way the BE could consider a fledgling program (UMass, Delaware G-town etc) is if ND, PSU or another college football behemoth joined...Ain't gonna happ'n!!!!

We've already been through relying on 1-AA teams and it worked pretty well. How many years was USF out of 1-AA when they joined the BE? And then there's UCONN.

We need to think long term, not where programs are now, but think about what they can become. That's why I talk about schools like FIU, FAU, Charlotte, etc. People laugh now, but we'll see where they are 7 to 10 years from now.

Just for the record, Charlotte is not even going to begin football play until 2013. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think they have to stay FCS for at least 5 full years before being eligible for FBS? So the earliest they could be FBS (1-A) is 2018. That being the case, why is Charlotte even being brought up?

4 years, 2 full FCS seasons, 2 transition seasons.

Thats it. I knew it was something like that. Thanks.

gosports1 Wrote:Kentucky plays mens soccer in cusa since the sec doesnt sponsor that sport

Interesting. I did not know that. You would think the SEC being a southern league would have soccer as a sport.

Any list would depend on who, if anyone, the Big East loses.

If the Big East loses no one...I think the Big East will add ECU for Football only.

If Notre Dame goes to the Big Ten...I think the Big East will plug in Memphis...which is basiclly a basketball school...this will strengthen Big East basketball...and get that 9th football team, to ease scheduling problems.

If Rutgers or Pitt go..I think it could be UCF for all sports and ECU as a football only. I think one way or the other the Big East will end up with at least 9 football playing schools.

A couple of other thoughts. Just my educated guesses.

1. Big Ten will only add one team...and they really want Notre Dame. Everything else is just the Big Ten trying to make Notre Dame feel that it is losing it's last shot at joining the Big Ten.

2. Big Ten is not adding Texas...and the Big East is not adding TCU or Houston...It simply isn't happening.

3. Pac Ten is not adding anyone... there are not two feasible candidates that will get all 10 Pac Ten schools to sign off on their inclusion... All Pac Ten schools want to play USC every season anyways.. and they won't get to if they add 2 teams.

4. If Temple is such a strong candidate now...why did the Big East kick them out just a few years ago? One winning season in the MAC does not redeem Temple football...and the Big East cares about the way it's football is percieved. Any scenario that has the Big East adding one or two teams..probably won't include Temple.

5. Lastly. UCF was very close to being added by the Big east the last go around... Yet most of you have UCF as the 4th or 5th choice now...why? In the years 5 years since UCF almost was added to the Big East; UCF has gone about improving itself in every aspect. In the last 5 years UCF has gone to 3 bowl games...won a CUSA championship, built a new football stadium, built a new basketball arena (basketball atendence up 23% this year), built a new medical school, Orlando has added a second bowl game...and O-town is still a top 25 TV market etc.etc... I seriously doubt that UCF is 4th or 5th on the Big East expansion leaderboard... our stock simply hasn't gone down.

1. TCU
2. Navy
3. Memphis
4. ECU
5. UCF
6. Houston


SMU, Southern Miss, Marshall, Tulsa round out my Top 10

(03-05-2010 10:43 PM)wvucrazed Wrote:  

(03-05-2010 09:27 PM)buckaineer Wrote:  My current non-AQ BE expansion list

To stabilize football lost:
1. TCU
2. Navy
3.UCF
4. Houston

To have a football program with potential that also has very good to great basketball:
1. Villanova
2. Memphis
3. Temple
4. Richmond

Navy has already told us no. I doubt the subtraction of 1 or more of our best teams is going to help convince them, but ya never know....

Villanova is unable to move to 1-A. Richmond is a small private school with a stadium that seats about 9k. They will never be 1-A, but 3 other VA programs might be: Liberty, Old Dominion and James Madison.

We know that there were rumors of Navy and Army for some kind of "federated' membership-don't know if they were officially offered or what they thought of it. The Big East and Navy have changed drastically. I don't expect the Big East ever to get to Richmond in its picking but a Virginia team wouldn't hurt-one of the better recruiting states in the "east" .

(03-05-2010 11:05 PM)No Bull Wrote:  Any list would depend on who, if anyone, the Big East loses.

If the Big East loses no one...I think the Big East will add ECU for Football only.

If Notre Dame goes to the Big Ten...I think the Big East will plug in Memphis...which is basiclly a basketball school...this will strengthen Big East basketball...and get that 9th football team, to ease scheduling problems.

If Rutgers or Pitt go..I think it could be UCF for all sports and ECU as a football only. I think one way or the other the Big East will end up with at least 9 football playing schools.

A couple of other thoughts. Just my educated guesses.

1. Big Ten will only add one team...and they really want Notre Dame. Everything else is just the Big Ten trying to make Notre Dame feel that it is losing it's last shot at joining the Big Ten.

2. Big Ten is not adding Texas...and the Big East is not adding TCU or Houston...It simply isn't happening.

3. Pac Ten is not adding anyone... there are not two feasible candidates that will get all 10 Pac Ten schools to sign off on their inclusion... All Pac Ten schools want to play USC every season anyways.. and they won't get to if they add 2 teams.

4. If Temple is such a strong candidate now...why did the Big East kick them out just a few years ago? One winning season in the MAC does not redeem Temple football...and the Big East cares about the way it's football is percieved. Any scenario that has the Big East adding one or two teams..probably won't include Temple.

5. Lastly. UCF was very close to being added by the Big east the last go around... Yet most of you have UCF as the 4th or 5th choice now...why? In the years 5 years since UCF almost was added to the Big East; UCF has gone about improving itself in every aspect. In the last 5 years UCF has gone to 3 bowl games...won a CUSA championship, built a new football stadium, built a new basketball arena (basketball atendence up 23% this year), built a new medical school, Orlando has added a second bowl game...and O-town is still a top 25 TV market etc.etc... I seriously doubt that UCF is 4th or 5th on the Big East expansion leaderboard... our stock simply hasn't gone down.

If the Big East has to replace one team there is 0 chance that the first choice of replacement will be ECU. Other than a fanbase in the 40k's ECU doesn't have the market or the national recognition of any Big East program that might be lost.

I agree UCF will be much higher on the list because there are too many positives in their favor. The NCAA sanctions hurt though-hard to add a team with that baggage.

(03-05-2010 11:59 PM)buckaineer Wrote:  

(03-05-2010 11:05 PM)No Bull Wrote:  UCF was very close to being added by the Big east the last go around... Yet most of you have UCF as the 4th or 5th choice now...why?... I seriously doubt that UCF is 4th or 5th on the Big East expansion leaderboard... our stock simply hasn't gone down.

I agree UCF will be much higher on the list because there are too many positives in their favor.

All true... but it's still cute the way certain folks keep bad-mouthing UCF all the time.

Anyway, when the chips are down, yes of course UCF will be one of the top 2 or 3 (at worst) on the BE's list. If ECU is consistently selling out a 50,000-seat stadium 6 times a year in football -- and I think they will be, very soon -- then they will be very high on the list, too, despite the perceived drawbacks of being "small-market", "too rural", etc.

(03-06-2010 01:39 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(03-05-2010 11:59 PM)buckaineer Wrote:  

(03-05-2010 11:05 PM)No Bull Wrote:  UCF was very close to being added by the Big east the last go around... Yet most of you have UCF as the 4th or 5th choice now...why?... I seriously doubt that UCF is 4th or 5th on the Big East expansion leaderboard... our stock simply hasn't gone down.

I agree UCF will be much higher on the list because there are too many positives in their favor.

All true... but it's still cute the way certain folks keep bad-mouthing UCF all the time.

Anyway, when the chips are down, yes of course UCF will be one of the top 2 or 3 (at worst) on the BE's list. If ECU is consistently selling out a 50,000-seat stadium 6 times a year in football -- and I think they will be, very soon -- then they will be very high on the list, too, despite the perceived drawbacks of being "small-market", "too rural", etc.

Attendance is big. It says a lot about your program: mainly, it's popularity. If you can't put fans in the stands, you can't expect to have TV sets watching, especially in the very cities they are located in.

Plus with East Carolina, the Big East would get the added bonus of saying "F.u.c.k You" to the ACC.

Never underestimate revenge as a motivating factor in human decisions.

(03-05-2010 11:05 PM)No Bull Wrote:  4. If Temple is such a strong candidate now...why did the Big East kick them out just a few years ago? One winning season in the MAC does not redeem Temple football...and the Big East cares about the way it's football is percieved. Any scenario that has the Big East adding one or two teams..probably won't include Temple.

Because our previous administration did not care for football, and did not see the importance of a competitive football team. Because of this, they spent all of the money we got from the BE on our basketball team, and we were left with a severely underfunded football team in a major conference.
Fortunately, this couldn't be further from the truth currently, as we have a completely new administration headed by our president who is from the University of Utah.

I think most teams in the BE would struggle under D-II level funding...