The 79-82 loss to Maryland puts the Terps in a tie with Duke for the ACC title, and put a big dent in any thoughts that Duke deserves a #1 seed in the NCAA tourney. If Duke loses to UNC on Saturday, the Terps could win the ACC outright with a win over UVA...

I think as long as Duke beats UNC, winning the ACC tournament would pretty much still make them a lock for a #1, unless maybe Villanova beats WVU and then wins the BE tournament. The problem is there isn't an obvious 4th #1... K State got whipped by Kansas tonight.

That said I hope Duke loses early in the ACC tournament and ends up a 2 seed.

(03-03-2010 11:31 PM)wvucrazed Wrote:  I think as long as Duke beats UNC, winning the ACC tournament would pretty much still make them a lock for a #1, unless maybe Villanova beats WVU and then wins the BE tournament. The problem is there isn't an obvious 4th #1... K State got whipped by Kansas tonight.

That said I hope Duke loses early in the ACC tournament and ends up a 2 seed.

All of the other 1 seeds have only 2 losses. Duke has 5 and the other #1 seeds play in tougher conferences. No way should Duke even be in the conversation for a #1 seed. I can think of several schools that seem more deserving including KState, Purdue, WV and Nova.

(03-04-2010 08:46 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(03-03-2010 11:31 PM)wvucrazed Wrote:  I think as long as Duke beats UNC, winning the ACC tournament would pretty much still make them a lock for a #1, unless maybe Villanova beats WVU and then wins the BE tournament. The problem is there isn't an obvious 4th #1... K State got whipped by Kansas tonight.

That said I hope Duke loses early in the ACC tournament and ends up a 2 seed.

All of the other 1 seeds have only 2 losses. Duke has 5 and the other #1 seeds play in tougher conferences. No way should Duke even be in the conversation for a #1 seed. I can think of several schools that seem more deserving including KState, Purdue, WV and Nova.

Duke is #2 in the RPI even after the loss to Maryland. They have 8 wins over Top 50 teams - only Kansas has more (9), and only Syracuse and Pitt can match it. They are 12-3 in the #3 rated conference and have won 8 of 10. If they win the ACC tournament, they will be a #1 seed.

Purdue should no longer be in the conversation for a #1 seed after the Hummell injury, ala Kenyon Martin for UC 10 years ago.

(03-04-2010 08:46 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(03-03-2010 11:31 PM)wvucrazed Wrote:  I think as long as Duke beats UNC, winning the ACC tournament would pretty much still make them a lock for a #1, unless maybe Villanova beats WVU and then wins the BE tournament. The problem is there isn't an obvious 4th #1... K State got whipped by Kansas tonight.

That said I hope Duke loses early in the ACC tournament and ends up a 2 seed.

All of the other 1 seeds have only 2 losses. Duke has 5 and the other #1 seeds play in tougher conferences. No way should Duke even be in the conversation for a #1 seed. I can think of several schools that seem more deserving including KState, Purdue, WV and Nova.

I know this is a Big East board and it's fashionable to bash the ACC, but they are a tougher basketball league than the SEC.

(03-04-2010 10:45 AM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  

(03-04-2010 08:46 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(03-03-2010 11:31 PM)wvucrazed Wrote:  I think as long as Duke beats UNC, winning the ACC tournament would pretty much still make them a lock for a #1, unless maybe Villanova beats WVU and then wins the BE tournament. The problem is there isn't an obvious 4th #1... K State got whipped by Kansas tonight.

That said I hope Duke loses early in the ACC tournament and ends up a 2 seed.

All of the other 1 seeds have only 2 losses. Duke has 5 and the other #1 seeds play in tougher conferences. No way should Duke even be in the conversation for a #1 seed. I can think of several schools that seem more deserving including KState, Purdue, WV and Nova.

I know this is a Big East board and it's fashionable to bash the ACC, but they are a tougher basketball league than the SEC.

The ACC isn't superior to the SEC this season IMO. I'd love to see Duke or Maryland play Tennessee, Vanderbilt, and Kentucky one after the other and see how they do. I'd be willing to bet a sh!tload of money that neither would escape unscathed...

(03-04-2010 10:42 AM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  Purdue should no longer be in the conversation for a #1 seed after the Hummell injury, ala Kenyon Martin for UC 10 years ago.

I fully agree. If they could pull the UC #1 seed that year then they can pull the Purdue #1 seed.

No 1 Seeds:

Syracuse - top overall seed
Kansas - 2nd overall seed
Kentucky - 3rd overall seed
Duke - 4th overall seed

No 2 Seeds in no particular order:
Kansas State
Nova
New Mexico
Purdue

No 3 Seeds in no particular order
Maryland
West Virginia
BYU
Vandy

For the Big East, I have Notre Dame getting in as a 9 seed, Pitt as a 4 seed, Marquette as a 6 seed, and Georgetown as a 6 seed.

Louisville is on the bubble but could be a 8 to 12 seed.

I have UConn, Cincy, and Seton Hall out.

For C-USA, I have UTEP as a 5, UAB as an 11, and us Tigers at a 12

I'd be surprised if New Mexico gets a #2. Watch for the Pac 10 to get more bids than people think.

If the season ended today, Pitt would be a #3 - ahead of Vandy, BYU and Maryland for sure. ND needs to finish strong, and if they sneak in they will be an 11 or 12.

CUSA needs to have things fall just right in the tourney to have a prayer to get 3; Memphis is #51 in the RPI, only 2 Top 5 wins vs. 5 losses, bad losses to UMASS and SMU, and zero OOC wins of note (best being Oakland, RPI #56). 16 of their 22 wins come against teams 100 or higher in the RPI. If they can get to the title game, then perhaps they have a chance...

(03-04-2010 09:39 AM)wvucrazed Wrote:  

(03-04-2010 08:46 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(03-03-2010 11:31 PM)wvucrazed Wrote:  I think as long as Duke beats UNC, winning the ACC tournament would pretty much still make them a lock for a #1, unless maybe Villanova beats WVU and then wins the BE tournament. The problem is there isn't an obvious 4th #1... K State got whipped by Kansas tonight.

That said I hope Duke loses early in the ACC tournament and ends up a 2 seed.

All of the other 1 seeds have only 2 losses. Duke has 5 and the other #1 seeds play in tougher conferences. No way should Duke even be in the conversation for a #1 seed. I can think of several schools that seem more deserving including KState, Purdue, WV and Nova.

Duke is #2 in the RPI even after the loss to Maryland. They have 8 wins over Top 50 teams - only Kansas has more (9), and only Syracuse and Pitt can match it. They are 12-3 in the #3 rated conference and have won 8 of 10. If they win the ACC tournament, they will be a #1 seed.

The realtimerpi ratings havent been updated as of yet. They still show Duke at #2 at this time with only 4 losses. They will not be #2 once their latest loss is accounted for. But I stand corrected on the other points about Duke. I still dont think they are all that good, but they do have some very good wins that you cant discount.

(03-04-2010 11:39 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  The realtimerpi ratings havent been updated as of yet. They still show Duke at #2 at this time with only 4 losses. They will not be #2 once their latest loss is accounted for. But I stand corrected on the other points about Duke. I still dont think they are all that good, but they do have some very good wins that you cant discount.

yeah i'm not sure what is up with realtimerpi... they aren't very "real time".

I use http://www.warrennolan.com. His site is updated almost immediately after the games conclude (Duke is still #2).

(03-04-2010 10:45 AM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  

(03-04-2010 08:46 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(03-03-2010 11:31 PM)wvucrazed Wrote:  I think as long as Duke beats UNC, winning the ACC tournament would pretty much still make them a lock for a #1, unless maybe Villanova beats WVU and then wins the BE tournament. The problem is there isn't an obvious 4th #1... K State got whipped by Kansas tonight.

That said I hope Duke loses early in the ACC tournament and ends up a 2 seed.

All of the other 1 seeds have only 2 losses. Duke has 5 and the other #1 seeds play in tougher conferences. No way should Duke even be in the conversation for a #1 seed. I can think of several schools that seem more deserving including KState, Purdue, WV and Nova.

I know this is a Big East board and it's fashionable to bash the ACC, but they are a tougher basketball league than the SEC.

At best, one can say that the Acc and SEC are similar, but I will give the edge to the SEC because they seem to be stronger on top. But looking at the teams and who the teams have played and beaten, I would not rush out to claim that the acc as the better league. Even though I am not sold on Kentucky, they have to go thru tougher teams than Duke.

(03-04-2010 11:42 AM)wvucrazed Wrote:  

(03-04-2010 11:39 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  The realtimerpi ratings havent been updated as of yet. They still show Duke at #2 at this time with only 4 losses. They will not be #2 once their latest loss is accounted for. But I stand corrected on the other points about Duke. I still dont think they are all that good, but they do have some very good wins that you cant discount.

yeah i'm not sure what is up with realtimerpi... they aren't very "real time".

I use http://www.warrennolan.com. His site is updated almost immediately after the games conclude (Duke is still #2).

Here is a site that uses the rpi and its updated and Duke is #3

http://statsheet.com/mcb/rankings/RPI

Here is a site that uses the rpi and its updated and Duke is #3

http://statsheet.com/mcb/rankings/RPI
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hmmm interesting... wonder why the discrepancy, as the formula should be the same. The difference in the # is very slight but enough to switch Duke & Syracuse's position.

(03-04-2010 11:12 AM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  Watch for the Pac 10 to get more bids than people think.

1 team if Cal wins the tournament. 2 if anyone else wins.

Let's all hope Cal wins the Pac Tin tourney...

(03-04-2010 11:12 AM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  I'd be surprised if New Mexico gets a #2. Watch for the Pac 10 to get more bids than people think.

Who the hell in the Pac-10 besides Cal, (and even that's pushing it) even deserves to sniff an At-Large?

(03-04-2010 05:50 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(03-04-2010 11:12 AM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  Watch for the Pac 10 to get more bids than people think.

1 team if Cal wins the tournament. 2 if anyone else wins.

Cal will not have a top 50 RPI win all season. I don't know that they make it if they lose in the PAC ten tournament. I'll tell you one thing...if the NCAA Selection Committee sticks to their stated criteria Cal won't be dancing without getting the automatic bid.