Now MTPiKapp, you know that the Kentucky message board is no place for logic...

Wait, you're telling me this isn't the Kentucky message board? Weird, every other thread suggests differently...

"I don't think any Blue Raider fan expects us to be where Florida State is in 30 years, but I absolutely believe that we can be where Louisville or Cincy are."

No way, no how.

Stockstill being offered here for football was like Drew Brees being offered for basketball. Nobody wanted either. Scheduling MTSU and ARK ST was another one of those dumb moves by RC. Nobody can get up for those games. 30,000 is lousy attendance for a game here. Try as hard as TG4 may, nobody here gives a flip about about MTSU.

(03-05-2010 08:10 PM)the other Greg Childers Wrote:  Nobody gives a **** about MTSU. You went 10-3 to finish second in the Sun Belt (the undeniable worst conference in Division 1-A football) and you only averaged 20,517 at home.

Memphis suffered through an abysmal 2-10 season where we fired the coach and we still averaged 25,795.

But you think you're a big shot because you beat Tommy West. I've got news for you; so did a lot of other people. It's not an exclusive club. With a new coach, that streak is about to end.

While we're preparing to move into a BCS conference, you're preparing to be our replacement in a depleted C-USA. Enjoy your irrelevance.

Undeniably the worst? The Sun Belt is at least on par with the MAC if not better and we've been keeping the head to head record with C-USA pretty close over the last three or four years.

25,795?

That's counting 15,000 Ole Miss fans and 27,000 fans that weren't there for the ECU game that now reportedly had 31,756, but the day after the game the number was 4,117 and anyone who watched that NATIONALLY TELEVISED GAME knows that there was not a soul more than that 4,117, let alone 27,639 more. So taking 15,000 Ole Miss fans and 27,639 imaginary Memphis fans out of the equation and you averaged less than 19,000. But I'm not going to take those Ole Miss fans out, I mean afterall they actually were at the game, which is a kudos to your athletic department for getting a series that would draw so well, but for the purposes of this argument you are not counting the 27,639 fans that just magically appeared in the box score two days after the game had been played. Taking that out of the equation, you averaged about 600 more fans a game than we did.

You may think that Larry Porter is the greatest thing sinced sliced bread and that he'll have no problem beating Middle Tennessee, but I've got news for you, we've got a pretty good coach too, one that Memphis was interested in hiring not too long ago. Maybe Porter does get you guys beating us, but I'll be surprised if he does this year and until he does we own you in football.

As far as your preparation to move into a BCS conference, you can prepare all you want, but it's not happening anytime soon, or does TigerCane have more breaking news? If Larry Porter doesn't come in and walk on water and if you have a few more basketball seasons like this one, you'll be left out of Big East expansion again.

(03-06-2010 12:25 PM)Pressed Rat Wrote:  "I don't think any Blue Raider fan expects us to be where Florida State is in 30 years, but I absolutely believe that we can be where Louisville or Cincy are."

No way, no how.

Stockstill being offered here for football was like Drew Brees being offered for basketball. Nobody wanted either. Scheduling MTSU and ARK ST was another one of those dumb moves by RC. Nobody can get up for those games. 30,000 is lousy attendance for a game here. Try as hard as TG4 may, nobody here gives a flip about about MTSU.

30,000 is lousy attendance for a game at the Liberty Bowl? In your last 20 home games the MT game in 07 had the fourth highest attendance, being barely edged out by the 07 UAB game for third. The other two games were home openers against Ole Miss. In the last 20 home games you've had 30,000 or more four times, unless you count the 27,000+ invisible fans at the nationally televised 2009 ECU game, even then if you count that made up number for that game, the MT game is still fifth out of the last 20 Tiger games played at the Liberty Bowl.

(03-06-2010 12:31 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Undeniably the worst? The Sun Belt is at least on par with the MAC if not better and we've been keeping the head to head record with C-USA pretty close over the last three or four years.

Damn you're an idiot. Even for a MTSU fan, you're pretty stupid. The Sun Belt is ranked below the Colonial, which is a Division 1-AA (FCS) conference. You're the laughingstock of Division 1-A.

2009 Sagarin College Football Rankings

1 SOUTHEASTERN
2 BIG EAST
3 PAC-10
4 ATLANTIC COAST
5 BIG 12
6 BIG TEN
7 I-A INDEPENDENTS
8 MOUNTAIN WEST
9 WESTERN ATHLETIC
10 CONFERENCE USA
11 MID-AMERICAN
12 COLONIAL
13 SUN BELT

2008

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc08.htm

2007

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc07.htm

2006

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc06.htm

2005

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc05.htm



For the last five years, the Sun Belt has been dead last in Division 1-A and below a Division 1-AA conference.

(03-06-2010 12:46 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(03-06-2010 12:25 PM)Pressed Rat Wrote:  "I don't think any Blue Raider fan expects us to be where Florida State is in 30 years, but I absolutely believe that we can be where Louisville or Cincy are."

No way, no how.

Stockstill being offered here for football was like Drew Brees being offered for basketball. Nobody wanted either. Scheduling MTSU and ARK ST was another one of those dumb moves by RC. Nobody can get up for those games. 30,000 is lousy attendance for a game here. Try as hard as TG4 may, nobody here gives a flip about about MTSU.

30,000 is lousy attendance for a game at the Liberty Bowl? In your last 20 home games the MT game in 07 had the fourth highest attendance, being barely edged out by the 07 UAB game for third. The other two games were home openers against Ole Miss. In the last 20 home games you've had 30,000 or more four times, unless you count the 27,000+ invisible fans at the nationally televised 2009 ECU game, even then if you count that made up number for that game, the MT game is still fifth out of the last 20 Tiger games played at the Liberty Bowl.

In 2007, the Tigers averaged 29,670. It wasn't until the last two years when the team imploded under Tommy West that it dropped lower than that. Prior to 2007, our averages were 32,440 in 2006, 39,991 in 2005, and 41,175 in 2004.

We view losing to any Sun Belt team as being as bad as losing to a Division 1-AA school. It's part of the reason we fired our coach. It's not that you're getting better, it's that we dropped that low. With a new coaching staff and upgraded facilities, we plan on major improvements and leaving you behind to the dustbin of college athletics.

(03-06-2010 01:19 PM)the other Greg Childers Wrote:  

(03-06-2010 12:31 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Undeniably the worst? The Sun Belt is at least on par with the MAC if not better and we've been keeping the head to head record with C-USA pretty close over the last three or four years.

Damn you're an idiot. Even for a MTSU fan, you're pretty stupid. The Sun Belt is ranked below the Colonial, which is a Division 1-AA (FCS) conference. You're the laughingstock of Division 1-A.

2009 Sagarin College Football Rankings

1 SOUTHEASTERN
2 BIG EAST
3 PAC-10
4 ATLANTIC COAST
5 BIG 12
6 BIG TEN
7 I-A INDEPENDENTS
8 MOUNTAIN WEST
9 WESTERN ATHLETIC
10 CONFERENCE USA
11 MID-AMERICAN
12 COLONIAL
13 SUN BELT

2008

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc08.htm

2007

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc07.htm

2006

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc06.htm

2005

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc05.htm



For the last five years, the Sun Belt has been dead last in Division 1-A and below a Division 1-AA conference.

And you're an idiot for trying to use Sagarin at all, let alone making it out to be the end all be all...

Just for starters, would you really rank the Big East second?

Furthermore, according to Sagarin(your source not mine)the best conference is the SEC(duh) with a simple average of 81.07 the worst AQ conference is the Big Ten who's simple average is 74.49 ranking them 6th, C-USA's simple average is 64.5 ranking them 10th. The Colonial's simple average is 59.16 ranking them 12th and the Sun Belt's simple average is 58.29 ranking them 13th. What does all this mean? It means that the Colonial and Sun Belt are half as close to C-USA as C-USA is to the Big 10 and MUCH closer than C-USA is to the SEC. In fact according to Sagarin there are FIVE FCS conferences closer to C-USA than C-USA is to the SEC. So you're the one that wanted to use this computer system, you tell me, is the OVC really closer to C-USA than C-USA is to the SEC?

Sagarin=crap

Plain and simple.

(03-06-2010 01:34 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Sun Belt=crap

Plain and simple.

Thanks for playing.

(03-06-2010 01:25 PM)the other Greg Childers Wrote:  In 2007, the Tigers averaged 29,670. It wasn't until the last two years when the team imploded under Tommy West that it dropped lower than that. Prior to 2007, our averages were 32,440 in 2006, 39,991 in 2005, and 41,175 in 2004.

We view losing to any Sun Belt team as being as bad as losing to a Division 1-AA school. It's part of the reason we fired our coach. It's not that you're getting better, it's that we dropped that low. With a new coaching staff and upgraded facilities, we plan on major improvements and leaving you behind to the dustbin of college athletics.

It's funny, because in 2009, according to your beloved Sagarin there were 22...TWENTY TWO FCS teams ranked ahead of Memphis and Villanova was ranked 30th!

Sagarin=crap...but then again so does Memphis football.

(03-06-2010 01:36 PM)the other Greg Childers Wrote:  

(03-06-2010 01:34 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Sun Belt=crap

Plain and simple.

Thanks for playing.

You would take the loser's way out Greg. You make no attempt at rebuttle to the fact that you used Sagarin and I proved that Sagarin is crap, or is the Ohio Valley really closer to Conference USA than Conference USA is to the SEC?

(03-06-2010 01:40 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(03-06-2010 01:36 PM)the other Greg Childers Wrote:  

(03-06-2010 01:34 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Sun Belt=crap

Plain and simple.

Thanks for playing.

You would take the loser's way out Greg. You make no attempt at rebuttle to the fact that you used Sagarin and I proved that Sagarin is crap, or is the Ohio Valley really closer to Conference USA than Conference USA is to the SEC?

The only thing you've proved is that your an idiot. The Sun Belt is the laughingstock of college football and has been for a while. Any attempt to prove otherwise is an EPIC FAILURE.

(03-05-2010 06:55 PM)TG4 Wrote:  This is turning into a great thread. I love a good healthy debate and this just adds a little extra spice to the rivalry and the game this Fall.

Man, football season can't get here fast enough for me. Central Bar-B-Q with all the old guys at the M-Club tent and then a Blue Raider Pre-Game Bash in the Barn.

This will be one great road trip..........and I won't leave at halftime no matter who's winning.

(03-06-2010 02:02 PM)the other Greg Childers Wrote:  

(03-06-2010 01:40 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(03-06-2010 01:36 PM)the other Greg Childers Wrote:  

(03-06-2010 01:34 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Sun Belt=crap

Plain and simple.

Thanks for playing.

You would take the loser's way out Greg. You make no attempt at rebuttle to the fact that you used Sagarin and I proved that Sagarin is crap, or is the Ohio Valley really closer to Conference USA than Conference USA is to the SEC?

The only thing you've proved is that your an idiot. The Sun Belt is the laughingstock of college football and has been for a while. Any attempt to prove otherwise is an EPIC FAILURE.

You're only further proving my point. You haven't even attempted to disprove my point. You're only move at this point is misdirection. All you're basically saying is...

"No folks, don't look at all this logic, look at these funny pictures I'm posting and how I like to take his posts and change it from saying Sagarin=crap to Sun Belt=crap. Nothing to see here folks."

Just keep on tap dancing and shoveling that weak sh-t, whatever helps you sleep at night Greg.

(03-06-2010 02:16 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  You're only further proving my point. You haven't even attempted to disprove my point. You're only move at this point is misdirection. All you're basically saying is...

"No folks, don't look at all this logic, look at these funny pictures I'm posting and how I like to take his posts and change it from saying Sagarin=crap to Sun Belt=crap. Nothing to see here folks."

Just keep on tap dancing and shoveling that weak sh-t, whatever helps you sleep at night Greg.

You have no point, other than the one at the top of your head.

The Sun Belt sucks and you are a failure.

(03-06-2010 02:21 PM)the other Greg Childers Wrote:  

(03-06-2010 02:16 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  You're only further proving my point. You haven't even attempted to disprove my point. You're only move at this point is misdirection. All you're basically saying is...

"No folks, don't look at all this logic, look at these funny pictures I'm posting and how I like to take his posts and change it from saying Sagarin=crap to Sun Belt=crap. Nothing to see here folks."

Just keep on tap dancing and shoveling that weak sh-t, whatever helps you sleep at night Greg.

You have no point, other than the one at the top of your head.

The Sun Belt sucks and you are a failure.

Okay Greg, you're right.

I look forward to the Sun Belt sucking and me being a failure on September 18th. Just like September 12th 2009 and October 13th 2007.

(03-06-2010 02:32 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Okay Greg, you're right.

I look forward to the Sun Belt sucking and me being a failure on September 18th.

Good. Glad we cleared that up.

(03-06-2010 02:35 PM)the other Greg Childers Wrote:  

(03-06-2010 02:32 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Okay Greg, you're right.

I look forward to the Sun Belt sucking and me being a failure on September 18th.

Good. Glad we cleared that up.

There you go again. Classic TOGC. Your wit is astounding.

Why are you still here? Doesn't MTSU have their own board?

It doesn't matter what conference you are in. It's how YOU perform, not your conference. In the last 4 years, Memphis has been to 2 bowls and lost both. Memphis has won a total of 18 games!!!! Memphis has also finished or tied for dead last in C-USA twice. (even in our absolute worst years, we won more than 2) Who cares if C-USA is a decent conference or not? You still suck in it. Vandy is in the SEC and they suck too. We also own them. 3-0.

Memphis is 1-5 against the Sun Belt. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You put down a conference you can't even compete in. HAHAHAHAHAHAH!

We have won 27 games and had much harder OOC competition while doing it. (LSU, Oklahoma, Clemson, UK, SC, (Louisville 3 times while ranked in the top 10 twice), Maryland 3 times (won the series), MSU twice, Virginia (07 who went 9-3 that year and we lost by a last second FG)

You can bark about the future all you like, I judge men by what I see em do and what they have done, not what they are gonna do. Til it happens, you guys have absolutely no reason to think you are better than us or put us down. Porter may have a decent team but he could be a worse coach than West. No one knows the answer to that question yet. We return about everybody on O and a lot on D but we have upgraded all of our coaching positions that were vacant. So we will see. You better hope we don't win again. You'll never hear the end of it from all of us.

No one cares about MTSU or the Sun Belt. Enough said.