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BTR Wrote:I thought that I also read (in one of my computer rags) that Apple had been building dual operating systems for some time that would boot up on either machine but that they had not allowed it to get out. Probably just a rumor but I think that if Apple was wise, they would not only market their hardware, they would also push their software as a competitor to M$ to be run on any machine.

Rumor, huh? Just like that rumor a while back about OSX running on an Intel...wait a minute...

Blzer4Life Wrote:

BTR Wrote:I thought that I also read (in one of my computer rags) that Apple had been building dual operating systems for some time that would boot up on either machine but that they had not allowed it to get out. Probably just a rumor but I think that if Apple was wise, they would not only market their hardware, they would also push their software as a competitor to M$ to be run on any machine.

Rumor, huh? Just like that rumor a while back about OSX running on an Intel...wait a minute...

Since we have completely taken over this thread (he should have bought the computer by now anyway), what do you think about Mac trying to sell their operating system to compete with M$ operating systems? I think that it could be done (if not already possible) soon. I also think that this opens up their market to not just those with a mac, but to the millions of people with pcs.

BTR Wrote:

Blzer4Life Wrote:

BTR Wrote:I thought that I also read (in one of my computer rags) that Apple had been building dual operating systems for some time that would boot up on either machine but that they had not allowed it to get out. Probably just a rumor but I think that if Apple was wise, they would not only market their hardware, they would also push their software as a competitor to M$ to be run on any machine.

Rumor, huh? Just like that rumor a while back about OSX running on an Intel...wait a minute...

Since we have completely taken over this thread (he should have bought the computer by now anyway), what do you think about Mac trying to sell their operating system to compete with M$ operating systems? I think that it could be done (if not already possible) soon. I also think that this opens up their market to not just those with a mac, but to the millions of people with pcs.

I don't think it will happen with Steve Jobs at the helm...Steve thinks the "all-in-one" business model works well enough with the Mac for it to survive...which is true...it will survive...but it will not prosper and truely compete with M$ until they do decide to market OSX. It could be done tomorrow, if Steve would go for it. But with Steve at the top, don't look for it to happen any time soon...

Blzer4Life Wrote:It could be done tomorrow, if Steve would go for it. But with Steve at the top, don't look for it to happen any time soon...

He may not have a choice. If an easy hack becomes available or third party software sort of like bootcamp, it will happen whether he wants it or not. It would be interesting to see Microsoft come out with their own version of Bootcamp!!!! lmfao

BTR Wrote:

Blzer4Life Wrote:It could be done tomorrow, if Steve would go for it. But with Steve at the top, don't look for it to happen any time soon...

He may not have a choice. If an easy hack becomes available or third party software sort of like bootcamp, it will happen whether he wants it or not. It would be interesting to see Microsoft come out with their own version of Bootcamp!!!! lmfao

M$ is the one who came out with BootCamp, I believe...but I get your point... ;-)

Boot camp is only supposed to last us until the fall when Leopard comes out.

Long term I think Apple has the best shot at the true "home media PC" that Bill Gates has been dreaming about for the past 3-4 years with little progress.

The Mac Mini can fit in any entertainment center and can do all you want. Anyway, I am long in AAPL and think there are some great opportunities in that company.

As the Machead of the list, I'll weigh back in.

BTR is right, the Windows emulator programs for the Mac have been unstable and unreliable. However, the new Intel Macs don't use emulator programs. You install a piece of "firmware" called Bootcamp, that then allows you to install Windows XP, or any other Windows operating system that works on an Intel processor, including, supposedly, Windows Vista that's been delayed due to, ummm, major security issues. Then, when you start up your Mac, you can choose whether it boots in OSX or Windows. You can't, however, run the two simultaneously. I know, I've already tried on my Macbook Pro. However, it does run Windows XP spendidly, and the Windows applications from my office that I had been not using run just fine in Windows mode.

The Mac OS is preferred by many of us because of its stability. On both my old laptop and on my new laptop, I have never had my OS crash. I have had an application or two crash, but usually because I was trying to do something, I, umm, shouldn't. I've also never had any repair issues. I had my 12-inch Powerbook G4 three years, and never once had a crash or a problem, and I almost never turned that baby off. I've had my MacBook Pro since mid-March, and it ROCKS!

Of course, I also teach publication design and graphics, for which there is no equal when it comes to the Mac. I've run Creative Suite 2 on both the PC and the Mac, and there's no comparison between the two. It's far superior on the Mac. You have more features, more stability and ease of use. And the shortcuts available on the Mac are fantastic.

Of course, if you want to wait a year, you'll have a Mac on the PC anyway, more or less. It's called Vista. If you don't believe me, go to http://www.watchmactv.com/ and dig up "The Real Windows Vista" video that is Bill Gates' actual audio introduction to Windows Vista, demonstrated on a Mac running OS 10.4. That's the same demonstration where Gates stormed off the stage during the Q&A when a reporter asked, "Is there ANYTHING in Vista that isn't a direct rip-off of Mac OS X?" It's hilarious, especially when you watch this and realize EVERYTHING Gates describes about being wonderfully new in Vista is already in OS X.

So, I guess another reason I have a Mac is because I prefer the original, instead of the blatant rip-off.

As far as OS X (and future Mac operating systems) running on a PC, I imagine it's only a matter of time.

From everything I'm seeing in the PC mags, Boot Camp is slick and runs exactly as it should... to the point that they're talking about gamers using it. If it will hold up to the hard core gamers, it's golden.

It's far superior to any Windoze emulator that has previously been released.

http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/article/0...325,00.asp

UAB Band Dad Wrote:From everything I'm seeing in the PC mags, Boot Camp is slick and runs exactly as it should... to the point that they're talking about gamers using it. If it will hold up to the har core gamers, it's golden.

It's far superior to any Windoze emulator that has previously been released.

http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/article/0...325,00.asp

I heard the same thing off of dl.tv w/ Patrick "The Kilt" Norton and Robert "linux what?" Norton...

Hell, I tried to derail it.............

ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:Hell, I tried to derail it.............

Beaumont and Beauregard looked too similar to me. I had to read your post twice.

I'm am both an AppleCare certified tech and an A+ certified tech, and deal with both pc's and macs on a daily basis. Apple stands to REALLY improve it's marketshare with the new intel based macs, especially in the laptop market.

Bootcamp is the real deal, and will only get better as they release better pc drivers for all the mac hardware.
There are only two downsides to getting an intel based Mac.
One is cost. A Dell Dual core 2.0Ghz machine is about $300 cheaper than the 2.0 Ghz MacBook Pro.
The other is that, starting with last years models, Macs have become a lot more likely to need service than they used to be. I would say we have had to replace a part on about 1/8th of the macs we purchased last year. On the laptops it has mostly been power supplies, but we have had a couple of fried main boards as well.

I've been pricing things out and Dells are definitely cheaper but I would have to wait a few weeks before I get it and I need one NOW. Damnit.

STLouis Blazer Wrote:I've been pricing things out and Dells are definitely cheaper but I would have to wait a few weeks before I get it and I need one NOW. Damnit.

Might I suggest...

http://www.apple.com/retail/saintlouisgalleria/

STLouis Blazer Wrote:I've been pricing things out and Dells are definitely cheaper but I would have to wait a few weeks before I get it and I need one NOW. Damnit.

Don't forget to get your best deal on the dell then google the coupons. I still can't get over $750 off coupons. That is insane. They have had those for about 15 months! I guess they figure most people will not know about them.

BlazerMatt Wrote:I'm am both an AppleCare certified tech and an A+ certified tech, and deal with both pc's and macs on a daily basis. Apple stands to REALLY improve it's marketshare with the new intel based macs, especially in the laptop market.

Bootcamp is the real deal, and will only get better as they release better pc drivers for all the mac hardware.
There are only two downsides to getting an intel based Mac.
One is cost. A Dell Dual core 2.0Ghz machine is about $300 cheaper than the 2.0 Ghz MacBook Pro.
The other is that, starting with last years models, Macs have become a lot more likely to need service than they used to be. I would say we have had to replace a part on about 1/8th of the macs we purchased last year. On the laptops it has mostly been power supplies, but we have had a couple of fried main boards as well.

First, I bow to your superior Macintosh knowledge.

Second, the newer Macs are having repair issues? That does not bode well for my new MacBook Pro. I guess I'm glad I kept the older Powerbook as a backup/travel machine for the wife!

UAB Kirksville Wrote:Second, the newer Macs are having repair issues? That does not bode well for my new MacBook Pro. I guess I'm glad I kept the older Powerbook as a backup/travel machine for the wife!

I have two friends who use macs. Both have had issues within the first six months of the laptops. One of them had issues with the latching mechanism and the other somehow managed to get a blue screen. I kid you not! He got a blue screen on a Mac. I don't know what he did, but after screwing up every pc he ever had, he even managed to get a blue screen on a Mac. Good news is that they repaird both of these

One thing you can't argue with about concerning Apple is their superior customer service. Consumer Reports consistently says Apple's is second to none, and that if customer service is valued, it's the only choice for a personal computer.

I wonder if the fact they haven't outsourced it to India has anything to do with that. ;-)

UAB Kirksville Wrote:One thing you can't argue with about concerning Apple is their superior customer service. Consumer Reports consistently says Apple's is second to none, and that if customer service is valued, it's the only choice for a personal computer.

I wonder if the fact they haven't outsourced it to India has anything to do with that. ;-)

(In British English Accent) Good afternoon Mr Kirksville. My name is Kushmar Radman Mushmari but you may call me Kevin. How may I help you with your HP computer?

BTR Wrote:

UAB Kirksville Wrote:One thing you can't argue with about concerning Apple is their superior customer service. Consumer Reports consistently says Apple's is second to none, and that if customer service is valued, it's the only choice for a personal computer.

I wonder if the fact they haven't outsourced it to India has anything to do with that. ;-)

(In British English Accent) Good afternoon Mr Kirksville. My name is Kushmar Radman Mushmari but you may call me Kevin. How may I help you with your HP computer?

They have one that speaks English?