(02-25-2010 12:28 AM)omnicarrier Wrote:  If you want to scale that down to UConn has performed slightly better than the rest of the Big East representatives the past decade in the NCAAs I have no problem with that.

Slightly better. C'mon, you got to come up with something better than that. That being said, I got to give you credit cause at least you bring some analysis to the whole thing unlike couple other blind homers here.

With 2 NCs and 3 Final Fours in the last 11 years, I don't see too many problem can equal that in the country nevermind the BE.

(02-25-2010 12:08 AM)SF Husky Wrote:  also in 99, UCONN won the NC and that was only 1 year earlier. That would make it 5-2 in the last 11 years.

With 2 NCs and 3 Final Fours in the last 11 years, I don't see too many problem can equal that in the country nevermind the BE.

Well if you go back to 96, SYR played in the national title game.

With two national title games and one national title in the last 14 years- I don't see any BE team with a record that "dominates" SYR. Especially from a team that hasn't made the final four prior to 1999. 96 was SYR's third final four.

(02-25-2010 12:08 AM)SF Husky Wrote:  With 2 NCs and 3 Final Fours in the last 11 years, I don't see too many problem can equal that in the country nevermind the BE.

Florida has two national titles in the past four years.
UNC has two national titles and three final fours, in the past FIVE years.

Please don't take on the "country" we don't want to bring fans from other conferences here to smack you down.

Of course in SYR's case if you consider two BET titles and one runner up in the past five year- Oh, but My bad- We can't talk about the BET (in the best conference in the land) because those numbers don't work in Husky's favor. UCONN hasn't sniffed the BET finals since expansion but they still dominate the BE. Or do they dominate the country?

(02-25-2010 01:20 AM)frogman Wrote:  

(02-25-2010 12:08 AM)SF Husky Wrote:  also in 99, UCONN won the NC and that was only 1 year earlier. That would make it 5-2 in the last 11 years.

With 2 NCs and 3 Final Fours in the last 11 years, I don't see too many problem can equal that in the country nevermind the BE.

Well if you go back to 96, SYR played in the national title game.

With two national title games and one national title in the last 14 years- I don't see any BE team with a record that "dominates" SYR. Especially from a team that hasn't made the final four prior to 1999. 96 was SYR's third final four.

(02-25-2010 12:08 AM)SF Husky Wrote:  With 2 NCs and 3 Final Fours in the last 11 years, I don't see too many problem can equal that in the country nevermind the BE.

Florida has two national titles in the past four years.
UNC has two national titles and three final fours, in the past FIVE years.

Please don't take on the "country" we don't want to bring fans from other conferences here to smack you down.

Of course in SYR's case if you consider two BET titles and one runner up in the past five year- Oh, but My bad- We can't talk about the BET (in the best conference in the land) because those numbers don't work in Husky's favor. UCONN hasn't sniffed the BET finals since expansion but they still dominate the BE. Or do they dominate the country?

You don't know when to quit do you? My suggestion to you is quit while you still got any sense of dignity left cause you already been owned multiple times. Give it a rest already son.

So in the last 10 years, UConn has advanced further, in the ncaa tourney, than any other big east team 3 times.
That is impressive, but not dominating.

(02-25-2010 08:35 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  So in the last 10 years, UConn has advanced further, in the ncaa tourney, than any other big east team 3 times.
That is impressive, but not dominating.

Well technically, farther than any other BE team would be twice. As far as any other Big East team would be four times. Neither of which are "usual" as SFHusky has stated - usual meaning customary or habitual or more often than not.

For something to be "usual" it should happen at least 50% of the time, if not more. Anyone with common sense can see this is not the case, even when using the restrictive "since 2000".

Cheers,
Neil

LOL this arguement is still going on?

While being a Uconn fan.

I think SF has the typical internet attitude where a little better equals dominate (Kinda like when people say one team dominated another team even though they only won by like 3 points.

This decade (well last since this decade just began) has been pretty even wth Uconn on top. Uconn, Cuse, GT, Pitt, Nova have all been good. Uconn while on top but not dominate with 2 ffs (Highest in BE) and one nc (Highest in BE tied with Cuse), 2 of 4 BET(Pitt is the king of BET), and 3 regular BE (Highest in BE tied with Pitt).

There was a 10 period where Uconn dominated the BE though.

1994-2004

1994 - BE Regular season, farthest in NCAA (S16)
1995 - BE Regular season, farthest in NCAA (E8)
1996 - BE Regular season, BET
1998 - BE Regular season, BET, farthest in NCAA (E8)
1999 - BE Regular season, BET, farthest in NCAA (NC)
2002 - BE Regular season, BET, farthest in NCAA (E8)
2004 - BET, farthest in NCAA (NC)

(02-25-2010 09:47 AM)ccbfan Wrote:  LOL this arguement is still going on?

While being a Uconn fan.

I think SF has the typical internet attitude where a little better equals dominate (Kinda like when people say one team dominated another team even though they only won by like 3 points.

This decade (well last since this decade just began) has been pretty even wth Uconn on top. Uconn, Cuse, GT, Pitt, Nova have all been good. Uconn while on top but not dominate with 2 ffs (Highest in BE) and one nc (Highest in BE tied with Cuse), 2 of 4 BET(Pitt is the king of BET), and 3 regular BE (Highest in BE tied with Pitt).

There was a 10 period where Uconn dominated the BE though.

1994-2004

1994 - BE Regular season, farthest in NCAA (S16)
1995 - BE Regular season, farthest in NCAA (E8)
1996 - BE Regular season, BET
1998 - BE Regular season, BET, farthest in NCAA (E8)
1999 - BE Regular season, BET, farthest in NCAA (NC)
2002 - BE Regular season, BET, farthest in NCAA (E8)
2004 - BET, farthest in NCAA (NC)

Technically, if it's a 10-year period you have to cut off the 1994 year if you want to get the 2004 NC year in.

And that is still, without doubt, a great decade. Georgetown had a comparable one (probably better when one takes into account how far superior the Big East of the 80s was to the time period you are referencing).

Syracuse hasn't had a 10-year period yet to match either. But when examining the body of work as a whole, the Orange are right there neck-and-neck with both UConn and Georgetown.

Big East regular season titles - UConn 9, G'Town and SU 7 each
Big East Tournament champions - G'Town 7, UConn 6, SU 5

Big East Era:

NCs - UConn 2, G'Town 1, SU 1
Runner-ups - SU 2, G'Town 2, UConn 0
Semi-Finalist - G'Town 1, UConn 1, SU 0
Elite 8 - UConn 4, G'Town 3, SU 1
Sweet 16 - SU 6, G'Town 4, UConn 3

Sweet 16 or above - G'Town 11, SU 10, UConn 10

Total NCAA wins as a BE rep - G'Town 45, SU 41, UConn 37

But according to SFHusky logic, IF SU wins the regular season, BEC, and an NC this year I guess Orange fans around the world will be able to say they dominate the Big East.

Cheers,
Neil

(02-25-2010 09:47 AM)ccbfan Wrote:  There was a 10 period where Uconn dominated the BE though.

1994-2004

1994 - BE Regular season, farthest in NCAA (S16)
1995 - BE Regular season, farthest in NCAA (E8)
1996 - BE Regular season, BET
1998 - BE Regular season, BET, farthest in NCAA (E8)
1999 - BE Regular season, BET, farthest in NCAA (NC)
2002 - BE Regular season, BET, farthest in NCAA (E8)
2004 - BET, farthest in NCAA (NC)

SYR went to the NCAA title game in 96 so if UCONN "dominated" the BE in 94 and 95 and 96 how come SYR went to the NCAA title game in 96 and the furthest UCONN got by that point was elite eight? It would be three more years before UCONN sniffed it's first title game.

Do UCONN fans really want to brag about getting to the sweet 16 or the elite eight over the rest of the BE. Are you really that pathetic? As I pointed out in an earlier post, the 1990's were a low point for the BE on the national stage based onf FINAL FOUR appeareances.

1980's
Gtown 82, 84, 85
Villanova 85
St.Johns 85
Seton Hall 89
Providence 87
Syracuse 87

1990's
SYR 96
UCONN 99

2000's
SYR 03
UCONN 04, 09
Louisville 05
Gtown 07
Vill 09

So UCONN fans can thump their chest and and brag about winning the conference when the conference was down (as in no final four teams- not even UCONN). So you were good but not a national program. Sort of like Temple bragging about winning the A10 and claiming to dominate the "country."

Too bad. Now the conference is up and there's a high level of play from TRADITIONAL BE powers and newcomers. Let's see who does what with all BE programs pulling elite recruits.

I'm sure with three title games in the 1980's a host of BET titles and regular season titles Georgetown fans can brag about dominating the BE. But it seems only UCONN fans have that insecurity. Obviously a stron BE is not something you can deal with- as evidenced by the fact that you have not made the BET finals since expansion and even Gtown made the final four before you since expansion. So let's say UCONN won a lot, but not everything with the conference was weakest. Let's not say dominate because I don't see that as evidenced by that fact tht in the midst of your heyday, SYR beat you to the NCAA title game- our second trip there in BE history at that point.

Enjoy this year's tournament. It's 2010. Reminisence of what was and what could have been. But frankly, 1994-1998 UCONN experience was really nothing to brag about. When the league talks about it's accomplishments do you think they say "UCONN made the elite eight and a sweet 16 in the 1990's."

Big East Era:

NCs
UConn 99, 04
G'Town 84
SU 03
Nova 85

Runner-ups
SU 87, 96
G'Town 82, 85
Seton Hall 89


Hall 89 was a one point loss to Michigan. SYR 87 was a one point loss Indiana. Gtown 82 was a one point loss to UNC and some kid named Jordan.

Of ten title game appearances UCONN has two. Gtown and SYR each share three. Or better still, of the ten title games appeareances of the BE SYR and Gtown account for six (and counting). No one team dominates this conference- certainly not UCONN.

Louisville was still in C-USA when they made the Final Four in 2005.

If you're going to talk about The BEast in its current incarnation, the analysis would only count from 2005 on. Talley it up from that point and see what it looks like...