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Big Ten making overtures to … Texas!!!!!!!!!!
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February 11, 2010


A source with ties to the Big Ten said that while most people’s attention has been trained on the conference stealing Missouri, the Big Ten has engaged in “preliminary exchanges” with a much bigger fish from the Big 12.

“There have been preliminary exchanges between the Big Ten and Texas,” the source told the Journal-World on Wednesday. “People will deny that, but it’s accurate.”

Missouri and Pittsburgh have been the most talked-about candidates to fill the 12th spot, which would enable the conference to have the postseason football conference title game it lacks. In December of 2009, the Big Ten issued a statement that the timetable for expansion was in the 12-to-18-month range.

Travel costs, in terms of money and fatigue, make Texas seem on the surface like a stretch, but TV revenue would more than make up for the fatigue factor.

Getting TV sets in the massive state of Texas tuned to the Big Ten Network would qualify as a home run for the Big Ten.

Texas already receives the most TV money in the Big 12 because of its frequent national network appearances, but the source said Texas still thinks it can get a better deal for itself and is considering forming its own state-wide TV network.

Geographic concerns don’t carry the weight they once did because TV revenues have grown so much, and this wouldn’t be the first time Texas has considered such an odd geographic match. Before joining the Big Eight with three other schools from Texas, the Longhorns looked into joining the Pac-10.

Veteran basketball columnist Mike DeCourcey, writing for The Sporting News on Dec. 16, wondered why nobody other than him was talking about Texas as the most logical school for Big Ten expansion.

“No one seems to recognize the genius of this suggestion, which may be evidence of its genius,” DeCourcey wrote. “Everyone else seems to be thinking small and boring, but as I suggested not long after the Big Ten Network was conceived, Texas is the one program that could dramatically expand the money-making power of the league's cable operation.”

Much later than DeCourcey offered the suggestion, the two parties finally have inched toward each other with “preliminary exchanges.”

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RE: Big Ten making overtures to … Texas!!!!!!!!!!
The Big Ten taking Texas alone is a little out there but if they take Texas along with OU and Missouri then it seems more resonable.

As it is, the SEC definitely heads and shoulders above ACC football, with the better program in most markets. The Big Ten can do the same thing to the Big XII.

Texas (B10) vs. Texas AM (Big XII)
Oklahoma (B10) vs. Okie St (Big XII)
Iowa (B10) vs. Iowa St (Big XII)

like its here...

Florida (SEC) vs. Florida St (ACC)
Georgia (SEC) vs. Georgia Tech (ACC)
South Carolina (SEC) vs. Clemson (ACC)

Instead of struggling with 6 or 7 bowls and 5 in the NCAAs, the Big Ten would be 9 or 10 bowls with 8 in the NCAAs every year. This is in addition to revenue from new markets and a conference championship game.

Can you imagine a Texas vs. Ohio State Big Ten championship game?

Why bother with looking at the Big Least or Notre Lame?....an expanded SEC/Big Ten/PAC10 will make all other confernces look mid major.
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Its not out there, and somewhere Frank the Tank is smiling.
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The three biggest football recruiting states are Texas, Florida, and California....in the next tier its Georgia, Ohio, PA.

The Big Ten knows its going to be hard to stay at the top tier without a market in one of the biggest recruiting states.

USC/UCLA are way to far away and the Big Ten needs a strong PAC-10 for the Rose Bowl.

Florida has years of SEC tradition and they are already on par with the Big Ten in revenues.

The only logical add then would be Texas which is in a relatively young conference and that is relatively weak, while relatively close by.
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(02-11-2010 02:10 PM)mattsarz Wrote:  Its not out there, and somewhere Frank the Tank is smiling.

I think I posted this weeks ago. I heard Barry Alverez mention that the Big 10 was interested in them for a long time.
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(02-11-2010 02:10 PM)mattsarz Wrote:  Its not out there, and somewhere Frank the Tank is smiling.

Then if the Big East can force the issue with ND, that would be the makings of a very strong and secure BCS conference that could possibly entice Miami FL back into the fold.

Penn State is gone.....BC is a waste of time for the BE now that they have UConn built up in football.

ND and Miami are the realistic viable targets for the BE. The Big East has USF which would be a nice enticement for Miami like Pitt is a nice enticement for ND. ND and Miami are nice enticements for each other.
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Has anyone considered that both the Big Ten and Pac-10 are acting in concert w/ each other in regards to expansion plans...?

Consider the one entity the two conferences share in common and the fact that entity has been forced to a lesser role of sorts lately...

The Rose Bowl.

Consider that, by way of BCS agreements, have to allow a "Boise State" or an "East Carolina" to play on its hallowed grounds if such a school were to play itself high enough in the rankings. All of you KNOW the Rose Bowl wants none of it, so...

This round of expansion will, on the surface, look to bolster the Big Ten Network, and help in the aid of starting a Pac-10 Network AND have the positive side effect of weakening the Mountain West (and the Big XII).

All that said -- and Frank the Tank is really smiling b/c he nailed it w/ his analysis:

Texas to the Big Ten
Imagine a Big Ten title game in Cowboy Stadium, featuring Texas vs. Ohio State|Michigan|Penn State. That's a bowl game in and of itself.

Utah and either Colorado or BYU to the Pac-10
- Utah will be added for the Salt Lake TV market and to quiet Orin Hatch, thus eliminating any congressional talk about the BCS for years.
- If the Pac-10 knows the Big Ten is going to invite and accept Texas, they'll take Colorado (along with the Denver market), sensing the Big XII will be a crumbling house of cards.
- BYU will be a fallback option.

What would the Big XII do...?
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Another thing that people forget is that Texas is dissatisfied with their Big XII arrangements, and they are also the biggest TV draw in the conference. None of the other Big XII schools approach Texas' drawing power. If Oklahoma were left behind, they might be amenable to joining The BEast in our battle to fight off obscurity...

The Pac Tin is looking into expanding, and Texas is on their short list. I'm sure the Longhorns will play both conferences off each other, in order to get the best deal too...
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Only reason I believe Texas will stay with the Big Ten is to remain relevant on the East Coast.
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I told you guys that. All of these reports of the Big East being targeted is just media and internet chatter. There is a LOT of internal struggles going on in the Big 12, and some people inside of the Big 12 are concerned that they might be in the same position as the SWC (limited television markets).
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(02-11-2010 02:14 PM)MU88 Wrote:  
(02-11-2010 02:10 PM)mattsarz Wrote:  Its not out there, and somewhere Frank the Tank is smiling.

I think I posted this weeks ago. I heard Barry Alverez mention that the Big 10 was interested in them for a long time.

You're but Alvarez didn't mention Texas, he said a big name school that would shock people. A few weeks later Texas' name popped up. Again, people talk about Syracuse and Pitt and Rutgers, I'm telling you, the Big Ten has ZERO interest in those schools. The Big Ten is focused on Texas, Missouri and Nebraska.
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(02-11-2010 02:14 PM)MU88 Wrote:  
(02-11-2010 02:10 PM)mattsarz Wrote:  Its not out there, and somewhere Frank the Tank is smiling.

I think I posted this weeks ago. I heard Barry Alverez mention that the Big 10 was interested in them for a long time.

Hail MU88!

You are also the first on this board that I recall that talked about Texas being a serious candidate for the Big Ten back in the summer of 2007 the last time expansion talks reared its head in relation to the BTN.

Cheers,
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Not surprised by this news. I have said all along that Texas is the BIG deal for either BigTen or PacTen and that the Horns would fit better academically at either conference than with Big12.
Texas is the type of addition that would bring huge revenues that would make exapnsion palatable for BigTen.
Now if this is happenning and PacTen goes after Colorado from Big 12. The Big East shoould be proactive and go after Oklahoma,Oklahoma State, Misouri and Texas AM.
Imagine
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Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas AM, Missouri, Cinncinati, Louisville
EAST
Pitt, West Virginia, Syracuse, UCONN, Rutgers, South Florida

would those four Big12 schools feel better with this new look than staying with Baylor,IowaST, Kansas, KansasST, Texas Tech?
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(02-11-2010 02:10 PM)Airport KC Wrote:  The three biggest football recruiting states are Texas, Florida, and California....in the next tier its Georgia, Ohio, PA.

You can include Alabama, Michigan, and NJ in the that next tier too. It drops off pretty considerably after that. People seem to forget that NJ is a top producer of football talent.

Anyrate, to your original post. Texas going alone to the Big Ten isn't far fetched at all. What could happen is the state forcing them to get Texas A&M an invite, which is also a good possibility. And if you ask me it makes sense from that travel costs standpoint since TAMU is only 100 miles (and about 2 hours) from Texas. So you have a built in big rivalry and travel partners. And frankly I think there's enough A&M alums/boosters in power in Texas that that's a fairly likely scenario. Its not like it was 13 years ago when Baylor and Tech grads also had large enough powerbases to force their inclusion.

Now you're not going to go to just 13 teams because that's silly especially when there are other markets to conquer. The question is do they continue to look westward at Missouri or Nebraska or eastward at Pitt, Rutgers, Syracuse, UConn or Maryland. My guess is they would go with the big national splash and grab Nebraska. It doesn't gain access to the markets any of the other schools brings you but its a bigger national name with a fanbase/alumni base spread across the country so it adds value to the Big Ten Network in different ways. If its found one of those other options will make the network the most money over Nebraska then that's who they'll invite. My guess if that's actually the case then the order of preference is probably Syracuse/Rutgers, Missouri, Maryland, UConn, Pitt.

So yes if Texas is Big Ten bound as is quite probably the case the Big Ten will probably go to 14 and its a good safe bet that Texas A&M and Nebraska are on the way with the Longhorns.

This also opens the Pac 10 to go after a Colorado & Utah combination. What the leftover Big XII schools do I'd imagine is to re-stabilize and grab BYU and TCU for sure and probably Boise and Houston. The good news is the Big East is left alone and allowed to be proactive and call up the next two schools to begin upgrading and enhancing the Big East. I'd guess Temple and Memphis to be those schools at this point which certainly spells SPLIT out very clearly. There's no way where the other conferences are at least 12 schools large that we could continue to remain at 8. We'd need to start moving towards 12 schools ourselves.

Now a crazy (or perhaps not so crazy) what if is if the Pac 10 partnered with the Big East FB schools on a channel which required the BE FB schools to split and expand a bit. Given the new revenue paradigm/stream could they lure BC and Miami back? Maybe even Virginia Tech and even FSU as well. And given the way that network would work where you'd want the most national appeal and the most states where you have the #1 and/or #2 most popular schools, 14 for this new conference may be better too. I'd imagine Maryland, Georgia Tech and ECU would be our candidates to look at. Regardless if that scenario played out where a Pac 12-Big East network was started the ACC is the one left scrambling not the Big East.
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(02-11-2010 03:31 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Not surprised by this news. I have said all along that Texas is the BIG deal for either BigTen or PacTen and that the Horns would fit better academically at either conference than with Big12.
Texas is the type of addition that would bring huge revenues that would make exapnsion palatable for BigTen.
Now if this is happenning and PacTen goes after Colorado from Big 12. The Big East shoould be proactive and go after Oklahoma,Oklahoma State, Misouri and Texas AM.
Imagine
WEST:
Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas AM, Missouri, Cinncinati, Louisville
EAST
Pitt, West Virginia, Syracuse, UCONN, Rutgers, South Florida

would those four Big12 schools feel better with this new look than staying with Baylor,IowaST, Kansas, KansasST, Texas Tech?

I honestly hadn't thought about this idea but its a really good idea. Although I think Nebraska is the better fit and the better overall program than Texas A&M particularly at this point in time. I'm sure the Oklahoma schools would feel more comfortable with the idea if Nebraska was a part of it. If we started our own network we'd have a network with excellent national appeal given the midwest/midsouth balance with the northeast/Florida involved in it. I have to think that this new "Great American Conference" makes more money than the Big 12 or the Big East.
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I agree Nebraska would be better and it would allow the OU-Nebraska yearly series to return.
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(02-11-2010 04:16 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  I agree Nebraska would be better and it would allow the OU-Nebraska yearly series to return.

And if ND was going to give up its independence that's a truly national conference footprint. Oklahoma, Missouri, Nebraska, Ohio, Kentucky, Florida, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, New York, Connecticut and West Virginia that's a lot of states in several different regions. Probably could get Miami to come back given the revenue stream/paradigm and the travel partner/rival in USF.
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I doubt the B-12 holdovers would go for that. But, that said, I doubt they'll attempt to raid the BE either.
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(02-11-2010 04:19 PM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  I doubt the B-12 holdovers would go for that. But, that said, I doubt they'll attempt to raid the BE either.

I agree its far fetched but if the Big East football schools did their homework and showed how it would work well for everyone (ie far more money than they'll make not going that route) it could happen. And while its really out there its a really great idea.
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(02-11-2010 03:31 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Not surprised by this news. I have said all along that Texas is the BIG deal for either BigTen or PacTen and that the Horns would fit better academically at either conference than with Big12.
Texas is the type of addition that would bring huge revenues that would make exapnsion palatable for BigTen.
Now if this is happenning and PacTen goes after Colorado from Big 12. The Big East shoould be proactive and go after Oklahoma,Oklahoma State, Misouri and Texas AM.
Imagine
WEST:
Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas AM, Missouri, Cinncinati, Louisville
EAST
Pitt, West Virginia, Syracuse, UCONN, Rutgers, South Florida

would those four Big12 schools feel better with this new look than staying with Baylor,IowaST, Kansas, KansasST, Texas Tech?


Thats not a bad league, but I would much rather take Nebraska, as has been pointed out and kansas rather than Oklahoma State and Mizzu.

But the big question is why would those programs go to an eastern based league, when they could just add a TCU or Utah or BYU to replace Texas? Neither of those programs offer the cache that Taxas has but they are not too far off from Texas competitivly speaking.
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